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Live debate? Protests

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Theordinary · 26/06/2024 20:28

What on earth is going on outside the university where the live debate is taking place? Sounds pretty crazy!

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Paul2023 · 26/06/2024 22:51

I do worry about what Starmer isn’t saying.

Labour maybe won’t higher income tax or NI but what about fuel tax or council tax ?

coffeeandteav · 26/06/2024 22:50

Hedgeoffressian · 26/06/2024 21:30

I’m not voting for Labour because I don’t agree with taxing pensioners who are already struggling to get by with higher food and utility bills. And I think women have a right to feel safe in public spaces. Why should that safety net be removed for the sake of not offending a minority.

Pensioners are taxed now. It's the torys that haven't raised the threshold. Jeez

FeelingHotHotHotFeelingHotHotHot · 26/06/2024 22:47

PKNI · Today 22:43

I'm so grateful to the few posters here who are saying they wouldn't actually mind paying MORE tax to live in a country where public services actually work! I couldn't agree more, especially as regards the Health Service

Yeah - I would pay more tax to get better public services - even though I don't use many.

LlamaTwirl · 26/06/2024 22:46

MeinKraft · 26/06/2024 21:25

Women are way more risk of assault in their own homes than in public spaces tbh and we have unsafe policing levels under this government, and a benefits system that grinds women into such poverty that leaving when your husband is the main earner is almost impossible. Women and children are living in unsafe housing environments full of mould, often temporary housing. Women and children are unsafe sitting on waiting lists for years, or waiting hours or days (!) in A&E waiting rooms under the Tory government.

The Tories do not care about the safety of women and children,

I read this a lot, what are Labours plans to resolve those issues? Or is it blind faith that they will do better than the Tories? Not being a dick - genuinely curious.

PKNI · 26/06/2024 22:43

I'm so grateful to the few posters here who are saying they wouldn't actually mind paying MORE tax to live in a country where public services actually work! I couldn't agree more, especially as regards the Health Service. I don't understand why people will vote Conservative so that Rishi can cut their tax bill by a few quid. I've already been forced out of NHS dentistry. I'm convinced the Conservatives will end up also privatising GP services if they get the chance. I can't afford private medical insurance and treatment as well. I'm on a low income, with no hope of increasing it due to being almost 64 and medically retired, therefore on fixed ill health pension from my previous employment. Currently this is supplemented by some contribution based ESA, but I am terribly worried I will lose that if the Conservatives press on with their plans to further slash ill health benefits. I've never claimed PIP as I'm not strong enough to endure the claims process - I have long standing problems with anxiety and depression. I know many on MN will consider me lazy and inadequate because of this. I assure you that I worked as long as I possibly could, and have paid enough years National Insurance to qualify for full State Pension, so please don't come at me. I just hope younger people will think long and hard about the type of government they want. Change of circumstances can happen to any of us, a decent safety net is not unreasonable in a country like the UK. I'm tired of hearing about 'Great' Britain, a country happy to have mass housing insecurity, increasing homelessness, a failing health service, almost bankrupt education system, decrepit roads etc etc etc. Please vote for anyone other than the Conservatives!

Viscoelasticity · 26/06/2024 22:35

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 21:03

‘Are you two really the best we’ve got?’

well quite.

I think that question was pretty rude.

Churchview · 26/06/2024 22:21

Livelovebehappy · 26/06/2024 22:10

Because that extra tenner can make a lot of difference to a lot of people.

The stealth tax system we have now (of not raising the personal allowance) means that the tenner gets paid by people earning least who desperately need that tenner.

A fairer system closing tax avoidance loopholes will mean those who can spare the tenner pay it.

Fluffypuppy1 · 26/06/2024 22:19

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 22:12

Omg that scream over the trans thing

You need to change the law to protect single sex spaces

This.

Also really annoying when Michal Husain mentioned Rosie Duffield, then stopped, and moved on to another question. Obviously got told to drop that question by the Biased Broadcasting Company.

Paul2023 · 26/06/2024 22:18

Israel have said they won’t stop until Hamas are destroyed.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation so hardly likely to engage in diplomatic discussions with outside forces.

Theres every chance Hamas could attack Israel again. This is a complex and horrific situation.

Bit what the fuck do these protesters want the UK government to do? Both sides aren’t likely to just stop fighting because little Britain tells them to.

CroftonWillow · 26/06/2024 22:12

Livelovebehappy · 26/06/2024 22:10

Because that extra tenner can make a lot of difference to a lot of people.

And raising taxes is highly addictive,

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 22:12

Omg that scream over the trans thing

You need to change the law to protect single sex spaces

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 22:10

Churchview · 26/06/2024 22:08

‘Are you two really the best we’ve got?’

What a bloody stupid question. I mean, what was the point of it?
What outcome did he expect that would benefit anyone or help anyone make a decision.

Yeh that was crap

FeelingHotHotHotFeelingHotHotHot · 26/06/2024 22:10

The presenter was very good, but she said at the start, 'in 9 days time one of these men will be Prime Minister.'

How does she know that?! It may not be Labour or Conservative.

ALSO, when an audience member asks a question, and the politician says their name, it really grates on me! 😠 Presenter says 'Sue wants to ask a question' and they say 'well, SUE....' REALLY ANNOYS ME! Angry

The presenter calls the 2 men by their full name too! 'well Keir Starmer!' 😆

Livelovebehappy · 26/06/2024 22:10

Churchview · 26/06/2024 22:06

We already pay higher taxes under the Tories.
I am and always have been happy to pay higher taxes for public services that actually function.
I cannot fathom how people are bribed by an extra tenner in their pocket when they can't get a GP appointment, have to wait a year to get their hip op done and drive over pot holes.

Because that extra tenner can make a lot of difference to a lot of people.

Livelovebehappy · 26/06/2024 22:09

ghostyslovesheets · 26/06/2024 21:08

@EasternStandard so we should stop accepting people who have a legitimate asylum claims? Really? Once they have been processed they can work and pay tax and all sorts! but what should we do - send them back to hell?

So when Labour get back in next week, they better get cracking on building houses to home all these fast track asylum seekers. Because we haven’t got nearly enough for the people who live here. We’re going to hell in a hand cart aren’t we?

Churchview · 26/06/2024 22:08

‘Are you two really the best we’ve got?’

What a bloody stupid question. I mean, what was the point of it?
What outcome did he expect that would benefit anyone or help anyone make a decision.

Churchview · 26/06/2024 22:06

We already pay higher taxes under the Tories.
I am and always have been happy to pay higher taxes for public services that actually function.
I cannot fathom how people are bribed by an extra tenner in their pocket when they can't get a GP appointment, have to wait a year to get their hip op done and drive over pot holes.

Callipygion · 26/06/2024 22:05

SnakesAndArrows · 26/06/2024 21:09

It’s Mishal Husain. She’s my favourite interviewer.

I like her (well on other programmes I have) but here I was very disappointed with her. She allowed Sunak to interrupt and speak over Starmer continually. She seemed biased towards Sunak, pressing Starmer but letting Sunak off the hook. Very poor show I thought.

ghostyslovesheets · 26/06/2024 22:01

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 22:00

Do you mean you personally want to pay higher tax or other people?

For public services that work - absolutely

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 22:00

ghostyslovesheets · 26/06/2024 21:58

Pretty soon we’ll have a Labour government with a massive majority and a PM who is basically a socialist I know - I can't wait!

Do you mean you personally want to pay higher tax or other people?

TheUsualChaos · 26/06/2024 21:59

Omg just started watching the debate on catch up. Finding the background noise so distracting. Not sure I can watch much more unless it settles down.

ghostyslovesheets · 26/06/2024 21:58

Pretty soon we’ll have a Labour government with a massive majority and a PM who is basically a socialist I know - I can't wait!

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 21:56

Callipygion · 26/06/2024 21:53

And then afterwards he was interviewed and he said he wanted someone with a personality! FFS. I despair. I can’t watch any more of this I’ve turned it off.

I’d just settle for honesty and integrity myself.

Callipygion · 26/06/2024 21:53

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 21:03

‘Are you two really the best we’ve got?’

well quite.

And then afterwards he was interviewed and he said he wanted someone with a personality! FFS. I despair. I can’t watch any more of this I’ve turned it off.

Cooper77 · 26/06/2024 21:51

sureitsbeendonetodeath · 26/06/2024 20:36

Free Palestine. Sick of bloody protests about this

Listen to the BBC, however, and you’d think we were on the verge of a ‘far-right’ takeover. It’s laughable. I have never met a far-right person, and never seen a far-right march or demonstration. But I have met countless bullying, fanatical, intolerant woke lefties. Farage has been physically attacked twice, and will not be campaigning in Scotland because he’s been told it isn’t safe! When Rishi Sunak announced the election we had people shouting abuse and playing music to drown out his voice. The left have almost complete control of the universities, the arts, the libraries, and the BBC. Even publishing seems to be under left-wing control. Take a stroll around the history section in Waterstones! They might as well re-name it the ‘how Britain is responsible for everything bad that ever happened’ section. Pretty soon we’ll have a Labour government with a massive majority and a PM who is basically a socialist. It’s the woke left who are the real threat to democracy and free speech. The far-right have about as much influence as the Mormons.