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Frustratedteacher1 · 26/06/2024 18:58

I'm a part time KS1 primary who has been working with a different partner for a few months. I've noticed that her spelling is not good... Some examples...

'defiantly' instead of 'definitely'
'scalf' for 'scarf'
'breath' for 'breathe'
'hibinate' for 'hibernate'
'to' when it should be 'too'

And then just general lack of apostrophes and commas.

I'm certainly not perfect but I feel these are pretty basic spellings for a primary school teacher and it's making me frustrated that children are being shown incorrect spellings.

Am I being picky? Would you be bothered if your child's teacher was making these mistakes?

OP posts:
Slofter · 26/06/2024 20:32

Your examples are mostly from the Y2 and Y3/4 spelling lists and appendices so, yes, that's pretty awful. Honestly, I find teachers who can't spell infuriating as it makes the profession as a whole look bad. How these people can manage to teach Y6 EGPS is beyond me.

llamadrama16 · 26/06/2024 20:31

If my kid's teacher had those issues it'd make me quite concerned about the education they're receiving. In this day and age of spell (and grammar) check there's no excuse for mistakes like that.

Vettrianofan · 26/06/2024 20:31

Well she shood be getting reported to the lyne manajur🤣🤭

Seriously though, definitely don't approach your colleague yourself, it's best handled by management.

northernerinthesouth2000 · 26/06/2024 20:29

CaptainMyCaptain · 26/06/2024 20:19

How? To teach spelling you need to ensure you are spelling correctly yourself.

I'm not disagreeing about the need for work to be of a good standard for teachers etc. The op would be better off speaking to her colleague rather than bitching on here.
What I am pointing is that dyslexia (being dyslexic myself I have first hand experience on this) is not just about spelling it's much more - people with dyslexia obviously can use spell check etc. But they can write something and not always see the mistakes in it. As I said it's more than spelling.

IAintNoMissHoney · 26/06/2024 20:28

FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain · 26/06/2024 20:24

@IAintNoMissHoney the 3 attempt limit was bought in after the tests had been running for a few years, before that it was unlimited attempts and I knew of people who didn't pass till they were in the double digits. The first 3 attempts were free if I remember correctly then after that they had to pay.

Pay to pass? I've heard it all now!

DelphiniumBlue · 26/06/2024 20:26

willWillSmithsmith · 26/06/2024 20:09

Ooh hark at you!

Call me naive but how are people who can’t spell able to become teachers of literacy?

I worked with a dyslexic guy who was head of English in a primary school. He was aware that spelling was an issue for him, and would often ask me in front of the children if he had spelled something correctly. We used it as a learning point for the kids, demonstrating how it’s fine to ask if you don’t know, and showing what strategies you could use. It worked because he was upfront about it, and so was I, and we often involved pupils in our spelling discussions.
Conversely, I’ve seen letters sent out from the head of a different schoolcontaining grammatical errors, and when this was done often, I thought it gave the impression that the both the teaching and admin in the school was slapdash, and in fact it was quite anti- intellectual. This was a school where children reading for pleasure, curling up in corners with books, were mocked by teachers, and where they got rid of the library! It was felt that one small bookcase in each classroom provided an adequate supply of books for 30 children.

FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain · 26/06/2024 20:24

@IAintNoMissHoney the 3 attempt limit was bought in after the tests had been running for a few years, before that it was unlimited attempts and I knew of people who didn't pass till they were in the double digits. The first 3 attempts were free if I remember correctly then after that they had to pay.

EnidSpyton · 26/06/2024 20:23

@FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain it absolutely was a useful hurdle that would have kept out people of a low academic standard from the profession.

When I did my tests (in the driving test centre!), the girl on the computer next to me was in floods afterwards because she had failed the literacy test for the third time and would now not be able to pursue her course. I couldn't help but think that if you couldn't accurately use your own native language, then teaching probably wasn't the right profession for her.

Now practically anyone with a pulse can train - particularly in primary, where you can still do BA degrees to enter the profession, for which you only need very low A level scores. No longer requiring the literacy and numeracy tests means a lot of people are slipping through the net into the profession who lack really basic skills that they are then unable to teach properly. It's very worrying.

Every year I've had to unteach the mistakes a lot of my Year 7 students' primary school teachers have taught them. The number of students who come to secondary school thinking a comma splice is a writing technique fills me with despair!

MumonabikeE5 · 26/06/2024 20:21

I changed my kids school because I was appalled by the class teachers spelling and verbal poor grammar.

IAintNoMissHoney · 26/06/2024 20:20

FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain · 26/06/2024 20:16

Up until a few years ago prospective teachers had to pass the Literacy and Numeracy test before getting QTS, but apparently that was an unfair and unnecessary hurdle preventing good teachers from getting into the profession so it was removed.

Anyone else think that was potentially actually a useful hurdle?

Me.

You also had three attempts to pass them so I wasn't convinced of their efficacy anyway

CaptainMyCaptain · 26/06/2024 20:19

northernerinthesouth2000 · 26/06/2024 20:16

Seriously, this so illustrates what a lack of knowledge some people have regarding dyslexia..🙄

How? To teach spelling you need to ensure you are spelling correctly yourself.

IAintNoMissHoney · 26/06/2024 20:18

willWillSmithsmith · 26/06/2024 20:09

Ooh hark at you!

Call me naive but how are people who can’t spell able to become teachers of literacy?

It's because your SPaG doesn't need to be perfect to pass a degree and most people are only as good as their own education in this area. The government did introduce literacy (Inc SPaG), numeracy and science subject knowledge tests as part of teacher training but they only lasted a few years before they were abandoned.

People often don't know they've got it wrong. Other people don't always recognise they've got it wrong..

No one's perfect but if I was consistently making the same mistakes, I'd expect it to be addressed. It's one of the teacher standards.

In the OP's shoes I'd either raise it with the teacher herself or raise it with the phase leader.

Of course no one here was going to say it was fine and they wouldn't care.

CaptainMyCaptain · 26/06/2024 20:17

Callipygion · 26/06/2024 20:13

I thought teachers had to take and pass maths and literacy tests as part of their training before they fully qualified? Has that gone by the wayside?

When I trained you had to have English and maths O Level (plus others and A levels).

That was early 80s.

northernerinthesouth2000 · 26/06/2024 20:16

Hatty65 · 26/06/2024 19:03

I'd be bothered. I know there are people who will say huffily that 'I'm dyslexic!' (and I've worked with some of them) - but if you are dyslexic and can't spell basic words then use a dictionary or spell checker.

I fail to see how you can teach primary if you are this poor at spelling.

Seriously, this so illustrates what a lack of knowledge some people have regarding dyslexia..🙄

FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain · 26/06/2024 20:16

EnidSpyton · 26/06/2024 20:08

I'm an English teacher (secondary) and honestly I despair of the standard of literacy amongst both primary and secondary teachers these days. The academic standard of entrants to the profession has been declining for years as no one wants to become a teacher anymore, so courses require lower grades than they used to when I trained.

I've taught alongside English teachers who can't spell and say it's fine because the kids can relate to them because they've got dyslexia, too. No, I'm sorry - if your job requires you to be able to spell and punctuate accurately, as well as correct other people's errors with language, and you can't do that, then you need to pursue another career. It's our job to teach children the right way of doing things - if we can't do or understand something to the required level, then we shouldn't be teaching it.

I would take this to the Headteacher or whoever is in charge of teaching quality in your school. I certainly wouldn't let it go. The fact that you even feel you have to ask shows the absolute state our education system is in these days!

Up until a few years ago prospective teachers had to pass the Literacy and Numeracy test before getting QTS, but apparently that was an unfair and unnecessary hurdle preventing good teachers from getting into the profession so it was removed.

Anyone else think that was potentially actually a useful hurdle?

Blouson · 26/06/2024 20:13

Pretty embarrassing for a so called professional. Is she 12?

Callipygion · 26/06/2024 20:13

I thought teachers had to take and pass maths and literacy tests as part of their training before they fully qualified? Has that gone by the wayside?

Whoopsies · 26/06/2024 20:11

I am a year 1 ta and my class teacher immediately pulls me up on any spelling or grammar mistakes (fortunately it doesn't happen often!) because it's so important!

IAintNoMissHoney · 26/06/2024 20:11

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 26/06/2024 19:58

Why don't you share your superior abilities with the OP so that she and others who've said it's a dilemma can learn from you?

Well, she has four choices doesn't she?

Raise it with their phase leader; ignore it; raise it with the teacher concerned; correct it herself.

What other options are there?

What else can anyone else here say?

willWillSmithsmith · 26/06/2024 20:09

IAintNoMissHoney · 26/06/2024 19:16

I've seen examples of poor teaching practice over the years (as I'm sure I'd have seen poor practice in any profession) and not once have I been so unable to form a professional opinion that I've felt the need to consult Mumsnet.

Ooh hark at you!

Call me naive but how are people who can’t spell able to become teachers of literacy?

EnidSpyton · 26/06/2024 20:08

I'm an English teacher (secondary) and honestly I despair of the standard of literacy amongst both primary and secondary teachers these days. The academic standard of entrants to the profession has been declining for years as no one wants to become a teacher anymore, so courses require lower grades than they used to when I trained.

I've taught alongside English teachers who can't spell and say it's fine because the kids can relate to them because they've got dyslexia, too. No, I'm sorry - if your job requires you to be able to spell and punctuate accurately, as well as correct other people's errors with language, and you can't do that, then you need to pursue another career. It's our job to teach children the right way of doing things - if we can't do or understand something to the required level, then we shouldn't be teaching it.

I would take this to the Headteacher or whoever is in charge of teaching quality in your school. I certainly wouldn't let it go. The fact that you even feel you have to ask shows the absolute state our education system is in these days!

Ohlittleone · 26/06/2024 20:08

I once went to cover another teacher's class while she had a meeting. It was a primary 7 class and the teacher had left work to do. After I set them off to do their task I went round to check how they were getting wrong and every single child in the class was using apostrophes when writing writing plurals (e.g. Jack has six ball's). I stopped them all and explained to the whole class that this was incorrect. The children told me that the teacher had taught them to write using them that way, I wasn't sure whether or not to believe them and asked if they were sure. One girl said yes, they literally did a lesson on it the day before and pulled down the whiteboard to show the lesson from the previous day where the teacher had written out numerous examples of how to use apostrophes, all wrong! She was a very young newly qualified teacher so I quietly told her when she was back and she took it on board.

LottieMary · 26/06/2024 20:02

Does she have dyslexia or similar? I think the key for me is does she know and put in place strategies for important things. You’re right I’d expect teachers to spell those words but they’re also relatively uncommon in the line of work and so wouldn’t necessarily fall under her strategies. Definitely worth a quick chat with HOD or line manager to enquire about it if you feel you can’t raise it with her directly

Piglet89 · 26/06/2024 20:02

@CaptainMyCaptain

Which person of two conjoined people is mentioned first is a political/etiquette question, not a grammar one.

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 26/06/2024 19:58

IAintNoMissHoney · 26/06/2024 19:16

I've seen examples of poor teaching practice over the years (as I'm sure I'd have seen poor practice in any profession) and not once have I been so unable to form a professional opinion that I've felt the need to consult Mumsnet.

Why don't you share your superior abilities with the OP so that she and others who've said it's a dilemma can learn from you?