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My job share teacher has poor spelling

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Frustratedteacher1 · 26/06/2024 18:58

I'm a part time KS1 primary who has been working with a different partner for a few months. I've noticed that her spelling is not good... Some examples...

'defiantly' instead of 'definitely'
'scalf' for 'scarf'
'breath' for 'breathe'
'hibinate' for 'hibernate'
'to' when it should be 'too'

And then just general lack of apostrophes and commas.

I'm certainly not perfect but I feel these are pretty basic spellings for a primary school teacher and it's making me frustrated that children are being shown incorrect spellings.

Am I being picky? Would you be bothered if your child's teacher was making these mistakes?

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Depressedbarbie · 26/06/2024 22:19

Obviously, in a well functioning work place, it would be discussing it with the teacher as first strategy. I suppose I'm trying to give realistic advice, having worked in a range of primaries. Some thisnwould be possible, and they are obviously better places to work. Many, it could cause real problems, as overwhelmed staff just don't want to know about problems and so can get defensive or aggressive. Both teachers and SLT.

Depressedbarbie · 26/06/2024 22:16

IAintNoMissHoney · 26/06/2024 22:03

Actually, I would approach my colleague because he's approachable. And he'd approach me but if I didn't feel able to, I'd do the above.

I'm just not really sure why, as a professional, you don't feel able to address it.

Many primary schools are unfortunately not great places to bring up this kind of things. Like any smallish workplace, they can be personal fiefdoms. And can then become almost unbearable to work in if you gwt on the wrong side of it. Shouldn't be like that, but it can be how it is.

Luxell934 · 26/06/2024 22:11

Are the spelling mistakes written or typed?

BlueMum16 · 26/06/2024 22:09

Frustratedteacher1 · 26/06/2024 21:48

I honestly don't know whether to say it to her, or to our manager. Going to our manager seems sneaky, but I don't have a clue how to tell her that she keeps making errors!!

Have you thought about asking her?
Could she be dyslexic or something else that makes spelling difficult?

My DD is dyslexic. She loves a teacher getting it wrong. We're not all perfect and poor spellers can and do succeed in a career of their choosing.

Depressedbarbie · 26/06/2024 22:09

Sometimes, you have to think about getting yourself into a position where it would be your responsibility, by promotions etc. If it's something you really want to change long term

Depressedbarbie · 26/06/2024 22:08

Frustratedteacher1 · 26/06/2024 21:48

I honestly don't know whether to say it to her, or to our manager. Going to our manager seems sneaky, but I don't have a clue how to tell her that she keeps making errors!!

Annoying as it is, It isn't always possible to act on things, even if it seems they might reflect on ourselves, and that they really should be acted on. Unless you are responsible for book looks and line managing this teacher, it isn't really your place to comment. That is the responsibility of her line manager and subject leads. If the issue comes up in your performance management, and in your capacity as subject lead, then you are absolutely within your rights to tackle it. It's the case for most problems in the work place, unless they are safeguarding related. Do you see what I mean? It may be the case that SLT are aware, but have made decisions which might involve a lot of other factors e.g. difficulty with recruitment. It may be the case that SLT are shit and not overseeing their subject leads etc. It may be that SLT are so overwhelmed with other difficulties, that they have not prioritised this. You have no way of knowing unfortunately. That doesn't mean it's right that this should be happening. But you have to be realistic about what your responsilities are, what the stresses are on the school, internal politics etc. If you feel very strongly that you need to bring it up, be aware that you might find the response is not positive, and that you are managed out.

IAintNoMissHoney · 26/06/2024 22:03

Actually, I would approach my colleague because he's approachable. And he'd approach me but if I didn't feel able to, I'd do the above.

I'm just not really sure why, as a professional, you don't feel able to address it.

IAintNoMissHoney · 26/06/2024 22:02

Frustratedteacher1 · 26/06/2024 21:48

I honestly don't know whether to say it to her, or to our manager. Going to our manager seems sneaky, but I don't have a clue how to tell her that she keeps making errors!!

Are you quite recently qualified? I only ask because I just can't imagine this being an issue in my work place - I've raised concerns about far more serious things than a bit of poor spelling!

I'd approach my phase leader and ask for a chat.

I'd say I felt uncomfortable about broaching it but I wanted to talk with them about something.

Then I'd tell them what I'd noticed. Say I was worried about it reflecting on me. I wasn't really sure what the answer was but I just wanted to raise it because it was playing on my mind.

And see what they say. Have a conversation.

If I really felt unable to address something as simple as this, I'd be looking for a new school.

Whatsortofrockareyou · 26/06/2024 21:53

Loads of teachers are bad at spelling (as well as poor grammar, language skills and maths)- it isn’t unusual.

Frustratedteacher1 · 26/06/2024 21:48

I honestly don't know whether to say it to her, or to our manager. Going to our manager seems sneaky, but I don't have a clue how to tell her that she keeps making errors!!

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User79853257976 · 26/06/2024 21:42

I’d be bothered as a parent and a colleague. You’ll have to raise it with your line manager.

northernerinthesouth2000 · 26/06/2024 21:33

@Doubledded123 that’s certainly not a class teachers responsibility.. and they would have been verified at interview and/ or offer of job!

Doubledded123 · 26/06/2024 21:27

Get hr to verify her qualifications
Seems odd

Londonrach1 · 26/06/2024 21:26

I'm dyslexic and really struggle when people spell things wrong. Yanbu.

TheHateIsNotGood · 26/06/2024 21:25

This has been a bugbear of parents for years and I'm just bemused by the posts arguing 'grammar' that's taught at far higher levels than KS1.

None of us wanted to be 'that' parent and, as SLT is often the cause of most teacher 'angst', you don't want to be 'that' teacher either. So suggest you keep 'schtum' about it whilst keeping your private list until the issue is raised by someone else. If raised by a parent, look understandingly and knowingly but say not a dot of agreement and direct them to SLT and add as an aside - "oh do let me know how you get on".

CaptainMyCaptain · 26/06/2024 21:23

EnglishBluebell · 26/06/2024 20:43

Surely 'Joe and I' would be correct in most instances? I was always corrected as a child if I ever said "...and me"

It depends:

Joe and I went to the cinema.

Give it to Joe and me.

EnidSpyton · 26/06/2024 21:17

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 26/06/2024 21:12

Or did you mean that it's only wrong with thosee specific pronouns? 'To us' sounds neater than 'to them and me', but surely the latter is not actually incorrect?

It is conventionally incorrect, yes.

It's a clumsy and unclear structure and I would always mark it as incorrect in students' written work.

It's like ending a sentence with a preposition or beginning a sentence with a conjunction. You can do it if you want, but it's technically not 'correct' English.

There are rules and there are conventions in English. Conventions are just as important to adhere to as rules, because they ensure your language usage is as clean and clear as possible.

EnglishBluebell · 26/06/2024 21:17

@EnidSpyton Thank you. My parents were told by the Head when I was in year 7, that my English skills were the best they'd ever seen in the school. Funny as I was utter crap at everything else!

Sadly I became ill and never completed school so I'm not saying any of this to brag!

@gahhbored Good trick, thank you.

Piglet89 · 26/06/2024 21:15

@AllProperTeaIsTheft yeah she explained it’s a convention, not a rule. So not, strictly speaking, incorrect. And not capable of enforcement either, if not a rule - although I’m not sure what the sanctions are for breach of grammatical rules.

But they’d be bloody harsh ones, were I in charge. Loss of a fingernail for every single “I would of gone…”.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 26/06/2024 21:14

They gave the prize to me and them is not fine in this instance because the 'them' is unspecified. Without the specificity you need the second preposition to make the sentence work, or you need to say 'us'.

Well yes, but why are we assuming that the sentence would be used without context?

Icecreamcone100 · 26/06/2024 21:14

I (re) learnt most of my grammar from teaching year 6 SPaG many years ago! I’m not perfect with spelling and grammar but honestly, what you’re describing is not good enough. During a school tour I went on once, the head said ‘Mrs X and myself…’ 🙈 along with the letters we receive with incorrect punctuation or comma splicing etc. If they expect year 6 to be able to do it then they should too!

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 26/06/2024 21:12

EnidSpyton · 26/06/2024 21:01

@Piglet89

My English degree, 2 X English MA degrees, and 15 years of teaching English are my sources.

We don't use 'me and them' in that context in English without a double preposition or just saying 'us'. It's a convention rather than a specific rule. It's like saying 'the black fat hairy cat' - in English we have a convention that places adjectives in a certain order, so you'd never say that phrase in that order, you'd say 'the fat hairy black cat'. It's an unwritten rule.

Or did you mean that it's only wrong with thosee specific pronouns? 'To us' sounds neater than 'to them and me', but surely the latter is not actually incorrect?

EnidSpyton · 26/06/2024 21:10

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 26/06/2024 21:06

Confused Yes it absolutely does. Do you have to say 'to John and to Fred'? No of course not. A preposition can be used to apply to two subsequent nouns (or indeed pronouns) without repeating the preposition.

Not in this context.

They gave the prize to me and the stunt men is absolutely fine without the second preposition, as you have named the second party.

They gave the prize to me and them is not fine in this instance because the 'them' is unspecified. Without the specificity you need the second preposition to make the sentence work, or you need to say 'us'.

Frustratedteacher1 · 26/06/2024 21:08

@Depressedbarbie Thank you. I won't go in with the list but I'll keep it in case they ask for examples. It's so hard to think how to say it without making myself sound bad!!

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AllProperTeaIsTheft · 26/06/2024 21:06

EnidSpyton · 26/06/2024 20:44

No it doesn't.

Confused Yes it absolutely does. Do you have to say 'to John and to Fred'? No of course not. A preposition can be used to apply to two subsequent nouns (or indeed pronouns) without repeating the preposition.