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Manager insisting I take lunch

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Shanna8 · 26/06/2024 11:43

Hi, I would really appreciate some advice. I am PA to the CEO of a large organisation. I work in a solo capacity, no team or colleagues to have lunch with. This suits me fine. Our canteen is very busy, noisy and full of fellow co-workers who lunch together every day e.g. Finance colleagues sit at one table, HR colleagues sit at another table etc. The CEO sits with other Executive members. It's a bit clicky tbh ... but not having someone to have lunch with does not bother me in the slightest. I take lunch in my office, which I prefer. I tend to eat while working as I'm very busy and would prefer to work through and get home at a reasonable time. My Manager (CEO) has raised this with me on 3 occasions in recent weeks i.e. you really need to start taking lunch, you should not be working while having lunch etc. Yesterday she made another comment and I now feel pressurised and upset. I have told her previously (jokingly) that I have an aversion to the canteen, that I cannot stand it! There are other "solo" workers who also take lunch in their office and yet they are not being targeted. I could approach one of these colleagues for company at lunch time but I don't want to do this. It will result in me being tied to this arrangement every day, having to go to lunch when I don't want to/have something urgent on. There is no-where else to go for lunch except my car. I feel upset and resentful that I will be forced to sit in my car every day when I would prefer to keep working. I am now wondering why my Manager is insisting on this? Is it a duty of care / HR issue? Is she fearful I will take sick leave and cite being over-worked with no breaks? Is there any solution? Should I talk to her? AIBU???

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ItsNotInMyMind · 26/06/2024 13:21

oakleaffy · 26/06/2024 13:18

This. Getting up and having a walk around- no need to socialise if one doesn't want to.
Eating at a desk never looks good, either. It also can be smelly, depending on what is being consumed.

I was just thinking this. The CEO maybe doesn’t like people stinking the office out. I hated that immensely myself and we provided a rest area to discourage it.

Aussieland · 26/06/2024 13:20

There is an awful lot of evidence to show that people are more effective and efficient when they have breaks. You may find you need to work less overtime...

oakleaffy · 26/06/2024 13:18

Isometimeswonder · 26/06/2024 11:59

Eat when/where you want. But take a break and go outside for a walk. Just show you're having time away.

This. Getting up and having a walk around- no need to socialise if one doesn't want to.
Eating at a desk never looks good, either. It also can be smelly, depending on what is being consumed.

Blouson · 26/06/2024 13:18

Just eat at your desk. Millions of people in offices never leave their desk all day by choice.

WorriedMama12 · 26/06/2024 13:17

Shanna8 · 26/06/2024 11:52

No, my office isn't really front facing (and I am very discrete while eating). I do appreciate the legal requirement. I just feel there is no solution.

There is a solution though.

Go out for a walk on your break.
Eat in your car
Eat in the canteen (which you can do, you just prefer not to).

Your employer has a duty of care towards you, it's very unhealthy to sit and not take any breaks. It's also a legal requirement.

CheeseWisely · 26/06/2024 13:14

Shanna8 · 26/06/2024 11:52

No, my office isn't really front facing (and I am very discrete while eating). I do appreciate the legal requirement. I just feel there is no solution.

Haven't read the full thread but surely the solution is to eat at your desk if that's what you prefer (me too) but don't work at the same time.

Read a book or a magazine, do a bit of your own life admin, whatever. Then take a short break away from the desk (a walk round the block?).

At least that way you're meeting the mandatory break requirements, but not having to mingle in the canteen.

FyodorDForever · 26/06/2024 13:13

Februaryfeels · 26/06/2024 11:48

YABU.

She is right to insist. You should be having breaks away from your desk

It's also highly unprofessional to be sitting eating at your desk while you're working.

Why do you feel upset?

It definitely depends on the company/industry. Everywhere I worked (finance) most people would eat at their desk while working.

Flossflower · 26/06/2024 13:12

You need a break. You would work better if you had a break. How would you feel if your children worked through their lunch at school.

KreedKafer · 26/06/2024 13:12

LeaveTheClocksAlone · 26/06/2024 11:59

Because she doesn't want to be forced to socialise and I don't bloody well blame her

She isn’t being asked to socialise. She’s been asked to take a break and not work through her lunch. She doesn’t have to socialise while she’s doing that.

ANiceBigCupOfTea · 26/06/2024 13:12

It's most likely duty of care. Working through lunch and not taking meaningful breaks often contributes to poor mental health and burn out. And potentially they are being called out on you not being away from your desk.
If you don't want to sit in the canteen, why not take a walk listening to a podcast? Or sit and read a book/watch videos on your phone? It's important to take even one break during the day from work.

bluecomputerscreen · 26/06/2024 13:11

yabu
also check workplace handbook. at my office we are not allowed food at the desk.
but we have a kitchenette with a small seatin area.

Viviennemary · 26/06/2024 13:09

You must take a break. But read a book at your desk. But you can't work I think longer than six hours. But eating at your desk while working is a bit yucky.

ACynicalDad · 26/06/2024 13:08

I'd go for a walk round the block

DojaPhat · 26/06/2024 13:07

Has the OP answered whether she cuts her working day short by 30mins or whatever to account for working through her lunchtime? If yes then that's the issue, if not then whether or not you claim to be 'fine' with eating at your desk as you continue to work your boss is on shaky ground if it does end up getting to you. Must everyone go for lunch at the same time? If not can you not take your lunch slightly earlier or later but not too late as to appear as though you've gone for lunch as it's approaching 5pm. Having said all that I cannot lunch with colleagues - it would be the end of me. I cannot tolerate it, I need peace.

sooverthisnow76 · 26/06/2024 13:07

She's not telling you to go to the canteen, she's telling you to stop working through your lunch break. Go for a walk!

SlugGloves · 26/06/2024 13:05

Shanna8 · 26/06/2024 11:52

No, my office isn't really front facing (and I am very discrete while eating). I do appreciate the legal requirement. I just feel there is no solution.

Of course there’s a solution, just sit at your desk and eat your lunch, but don’t work during your legally mandated lunch break. Lock your PC and have a browse on social media while you eat your meal like everyone else.

sunflowrsngunpowdr · 26/06/2024 13:04

Do you not take lunch and then leave half hour early? If you do this might be why she doesn't like it? Either way you should be taking proper breaks you aren't being forever to go to the canteen you can go elsewhere if y out don't like it there and if you are so swamped that you work through your lunch plus evening and weekends then she needs to evaluate your role because either you aren't managing your workload or you have far too much to do!

Pippa246 · 26/06/2024 13:03

Reugny · 26/06/2024 12:58

@Pippa246 If you want privacy then don't mention things in your personal life at work.

And yes PAs/secretaries/middle managers will feed back to more senior managers that Jenny has got married this weekend, Bob had a birthday, Sam moved house, etc.

Yeah but that's actually the opposite of the point I am making though.

@Hillarious states she was getting to know her colleagues but then telling her boss what they were saying about work. I'm quite happy to chat about my life outside work at lunch but if I was moaning about a work related issue, it is not up to my colleague to report that back to the boss and I'd feel that said colleague was snooping rather than getting to know me.

memyselfi · 26/06/2024 13:02

Shanna8 · 26/06/2024 11:55

I work way over my hours and would not look to take my lunch break back. I work evenings and weekends regularly so I give way more than I am getting back. I don't mind this. I took on the role knowing it was full on.

That to me is an even bigger problem.
If you can't complete your tasks in your contracted hours you either have too big a workload or you're not managing your time effectively.
In that context I would be ensuring that you take appropriate breaks as well .

Conniebygaslight · 26/06/2024 13:01

greenpolarbear · 26/06/2024 12:59

That's in France. In the UK it's a legal requirement to have a lunch break but no stipulation about it being away from your desk.

Is the legal requirement for the employer to offer a lunch break rather than the individual taking one?

Conniebygaslight · 26/06/2024 12:59

Shanna8 · 26/06/2024 11:43

Hi, I would really appreciate some advice. I am PA to the CEO of a large organisation. I work in a solo capacity, no team or colleagues to have lunch with. This suits me fine. Our canteen is very busy, noisy and full of fellow co-workers who lunch together every day e.g. Finance colleagues sit at one table, HR colleagues sit at another table etc. The CEO sits with other Executive members. It's a bit clicky tbh ... but not having someone to have lunch with does not bother me in the slightest. I take lunch in my office, which I prefer. I tend to eat while working as I'm very busy and would prefer to work through and get home at a reasonable time. My Manager (CEO) has raised this with me on 3 occasions in recent weeks i.e. you really need to start taking lunch, you should not be working while having lunch etc. Yesterday she made another comment and I now feel pressurised and upset. I have told her previously (jokingly) that I have an aversion to the canteen, that I cannot stand it! There are other "solo" workers who also take lunch in their office and yet they are not being targeted. I could approach one of these colleagues for company at lunch time but I don't want to do this. It will result in me being tied to this arrangement every day, having to go to lunch when I don't want to/have something urgent on. There is no-where else to go for lunch except my car. I feel upset and resentful that I will be forced to sit in my car every day when I would prefer to keep working. I am now wondering why my Manager is insisting on this? Is it a duty of care / HR issue? Is she fearful I will take sick leave and cite being over-worked with no breaks? Is there any solution? Should I talk to her? AIBU???

Do you finish earlier, due to not having a lunch break? Is that what she has issue with?

WalkingaroundJardine · 26/06/2024 12:59

ArabellaScott · 26/06/2024 12:56

You should take regular screen breaks for your eyesight, and a bit of fresh air and daylight at lunch time is really important.

Seconding this. Taking a break is also known to improve work productivity as well.

greenpolarbear · 26/06/2024 12:59

SallyWD · 26/06/2024 11:55

I was told that there's a legal requirement to have a break away from the desk if you work more than 6 hours. Two days a week I work 5 hours and have lunch at my desk. One day a week I work 8 hours and I have to go for a lunch break, otherwise I'm breaking the law!
If you hate the canteen, can't you go for a stroll outside? You'd feel better for moving your body and having a break from the screen.

That's in France. In the UK it's a legal requirement to have a lunch break but no stipulation about it being away from your desk.

Reugny · 26/06/2024 12:58

@Pippa246 If you want privacy then don't mention things in your personal life at work.

And yes PAs/secretaries/middle managers will feed back to more senior managers that Jenny has got married this weekend, Bob had a birthday, Sam moved house, etc.

Everleigh13 · 26/06/2024 12:57

Motheranddaughter · 26/06/2024 12:39

We do not allow staff to work through lunch,or if they do they can’t take it off their working hours

This. I’ve had this where I work. It’s not really fair if some are allowed to ‘work through’ lunch whilst others aren’t. I WFH mostly at the moment but would find it weird if my colleagues were working through lunch and leaving an hour before their scheduled time (I would know because we all sign off on Teams when we go).

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