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Manager insisting I take lunch

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Shanna8 · 26/06/2024 11:43

Hi, I would really appreciate some advice. I am PA to the CEO of a large organisation. I work in a solo capacity, no team or colleagues to have lunch with. This suits me fine. Our canteen is very busy, noisy and full of fellow co-workers who lunch together every day e.g. Finance colleagues sit at one table, HR colleagues sit at another table etc. The CEO sits with other Executive members. It's a bit clicky tbh ... but not having someone to have lunch with does not bother me in the slightest. I take lunch in my office, which I prefer. I tend to eat while working as I'm very busy and would prefer to work through and get home at a reasonable time. My Manager (CEO) has raised this with me on 3 occasions in recent weeks i.e. you really need to start taking lunch, you should not be working while having lunch etc. Yesterday she made another comment and I now feel pressurised and upset. I have told her previously (jokingly) that I have an aversion to the canteen, that I cannot stand it! There are other "solo" workers who also take lunch in their office and yet they are not being targeted. I could approach one of these colleagues for company at lunch time but I don't want to do this. It will result in me being tied to this arrangement every day, having to go to lunch when I don't want to/have something urgent on. There is no-where else to go for lunch except my car. I feel upset and resentful that I will be forced to sit in my car every day when I would prefer to keep working. I am now wondering why my Manager is insisting on this? Is it a duty of care / HR issue? Is she fearful I will take sick leave and cite being over-worked with no breaks? Is there any solution? Should I talk to her? AIBU???

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DojaPhat · 26/06/2024 14:35

@Whothefuckdoesthat
It's not the fault of the poster running back to the boss to debrief. The most wildest thing I've ever shared with a colleague was that I preferred winter over summer. Radical, I know!

parkrun500club · 26/06/2024 14:33

It's also highly unprofessional to be sitting eating at your desk while you're working

In what world? And since when?

I do think it's a good idea to get up and go for a walk though.

theemmadilemma · 26/06/2024 14:32

If it's helpful, from a Management perspective, if I was raising this from a duty of care perspective, I'd probably be fine with you still actually eating at your desk, I think as long as I saw you get up and away from it for at least 15 mins or so to get some fresh air/screen break, I'd be happy.

Whothefuckdoesthat · 26/06/2024 14:31

Hillarious · 26/06/2024 12:10

When I was working as a PA in a previous life, I enjoying mixing with the various staff groups in the staff canteen, finding out about their jobs, issues they were currently dealing with, etc. My boss was in charge of the whole department of 450 staff and it was a good way to see the mood of the staff and on occasion I would feed back to him "you need to know . . ."

Wow. I’m not sure that’s something I’d be openly admitting to on a public forum, even if it is anonymous. Did they realise that you were running back to the boss every time they vented? I wonder whether they nicknamed you Kim Philby behind your back?

MariaVT65 · 26/06/2024 14:27

Also just to clarify, it’s also possible to eat at your desk and also go for a break/walk before or after.

MariaVT65 · 26/06/2024 14:26

I find your reaction quite extreme tbh op, especially you saying you’d have to have your break in your car.

Even people who work in teams may not get to have lunch the same time as their colleagues, as they have other meetings that clash, or they are in a customer-facing role for example. It’s honestly no big deal.

Many people also choose not to have a break in the canteen. I used to go out for a walk as it’s not good for your health to just sit all day. Maybe visit a cafe or anything else that’s around.

PPs raise excellent points, most people are not paid for their lunch break, and working during your lunch and after hours makes it look like you can’t keep up with your work. Your boss is only looking out for you.

Either take breaks or have a chat with your boss about excessive workload. But don’t speak to her about ‘blah blah i have nowhere else to go’ as that sounds childish.

Jacopo · 26/06/2024 14:21

Some people, including me, don't like having to eat with people around them. I suppose you will be forced to eat in your car, OP.

nosleepforme · 26/06/2024 14:12

You’re not being targeted! You aren’t paid for your lunch hour, she’s trying to be fair and care about you and you’re calling that being targeted? Wow

Sondheimisademigod · 26/06/2024 14:06

Shanna8 · 26/06/2024 11:43

Hi, I would really appreciate some advice. I am PA to the CEO of a large organisation. I work in a solo capacity, no team or colleagues to have lunch with. This suits me fine. Our canteen is very busy, noisy and full of fellow co-workers who lunch together every day e.g. Finance colleagues sit at one table, HR colleagues sit at another table etc. The CEO sits with other Executive members. It's a bit clicky tbh ... but not having someone to have lunch with does not bother me in the slightest. I take lunch in my office, which I prefer. I tend to eat while working as I'm very busy and would prefer to work through and get home at a reasonable time. My Manager (CEO) has raised this with me on 3 occasions in recent weeks i.e. you really need to start taking lunch, you should not be working while having lunch etc. Yesterday she made another comment and I now feel pressurised and upset. I have told her previously (jokingly) that I have an aversion to the canteen, that I cannot stand it! There are other "solo" workers who also take lunch in their office and yet they are not being targeted. I could approach one of these colleagues for company at lunch time but I don't want to do this. It will result in me being tied to this arrangement every day, having to go to lunch when I don't want to/have something urgent on. There is no-where else to go for lunch except my car. I feel upset and resentful that I will be forced to sit in my car every day when I would prefer to keep working. I am now wondering why my Manager is insisting on this? Is it a duty of care / HR issue? Is she fearful I will take sick leave and cite being over-worked with no breaks? Is there any solution? Should I talk to her? AIBU???

Do you work your set times (for example, 8.30 -5.00)? If you tend to leave before end of day because you have been 'working through to 'get home at a reasonable time', she may want you to be there to suit her rather than you.
But yes, your employer has h& s considerations as others have pointed out

Megifer · 26/06/2024 14:04

It isn't a legal requirement for op to take breaks.

DallasCC · 26/06/2024 14:00

She probably thinks it makes her look bad like she's cracking the whip too much and not letting you have a lunch break

StaunchMomma · 26/06/2024 13:59

I'm with you on this, OP.

Your boss isn't treating you as a person, just as an employee.

Your wants and needs are just as important as everyone else's.

I'd hate being forced into a busy canteen, daily. I'd also hate having to sit in my car.

It sounds like you bend over backwards in terms of hours for the company and this seems like such a small thing to bend on for you.

I'd ask to have a proper conversation with boss about it, if I were you.

PoppyCherryDog · 26/06/2024 13:57

Shanna8 · 26/06/2024 11:52

No, my office isn't really front facing (and I am very discrete while eating). I do appreciate the legal requirement. I just feel there is no solution.

There are many solutions though you just won’t entertain any of them.

  1. eat in canteen alone
  2. eat in canteen with colleagues
  3. go for a walk
  4. eat outside

If you appreciate it’s a legal requirement then why don’t you take a break? I really don’t understand.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 26/06/2024 13:56

Pippa246 · 26/06/2024 12:28

But that’s almost like snooping working on your lunch break! Plus, OP doesn’t enjoy it so it’s irrelevant that you did.

@Shanna8 - I had a desk job once where one of the team (same grade) would go round offices at lunchtime forcing people to go to the staff room! It was an academic post and I very much kept my own diary so it drove me nuts - if I want to eat at my desk, I will! I also rarely took time away from work as spent lunch catching up with emails etc. (but see my point below).

Agree with others that you need to speak directly to your boss to find a solution. She is obliged to make sure you have a break and if you were to say go off with stress, not having a lunch break could be seen as a factor.

Maybe she’d be happy with something like you take your break in the office but put a notice on your door saying “at lunch, will return at X time” or something like that so it is transparent that you are taking your legal break. I get what you mean though about preferring to work through and get the work done - I felt like that too and it contributed to me developing acute stress and a drinking problem as it’s not sustainable.

That’s good advice! OP has to talk to her boss.

she might go out for a walk, do some yoga / meditation in her office, have lunch in her office (but not working) etc. There are solution to this but OP needs to communicate clearly (and respectfully).

PoppyCherryDog · 26/06/2024 13:54

It’s a legal requirement that you take a break if you work more than 6 hours. You are being unreasonable.

Onabench · 26/06/2024 13:50

There is a solution. Just lock your computer and eat your lunch.

KathrynWheel · 26/06/2024 13:48

I think it's the "getting home at a reasonable time" that's at the heart of this. Are you working through lunch so you can leave earlier? Your manager may prefer to have you present in the office until later in the day.

CookStrait · 26/06/2024 13:40

What are you eating for your lunch? It could be an issue with the smell of the food in your office.

Apart from that you need fresh air & exercise. I’d just sit in the car for the amount of time it took me to eat.

DinnaeFashYersel · 26/06/2024 13:39

Its duty of care to make sure you are having a break away from your desk.

And no one is "forcing you to sit in your car" - what a hyperbolic leap.

You need to talk to your boss.

Hillarious · 26/06/2024 13:35

Pippa246 · 26/06/2024 13:03

Yeah but that's actually the opposite of the point I am making though.

@Hillarious states she was getting to know her colleagues but then telling her boss what they were saying about work. I'm quite happy to chat about my life outside work at lunch but if I was moaning about a work related issue, it is not up to my colleague to report that back to the boss and I'd feel that said colleague was snooping rather than getting to know me.

No, it was more about reporting back on issues the boss could do something about, not snitching. He was a very well respected boss, and it was a very happy department we worked in.

Arlanymor · 26/06/2024 13:32

She is fulfilling a duty of care and she might also care about you on her own account!

I’m a line manger and it’s really important to make sure that people get breaks away from their desk and screen. I do Pomodoro with my colleagues and they seem to like it.

andHelenknowsimmiserablenow · 26/06/2024 13:30

Surely if your manager has time to take a proper lunch break and you don't the distribution of work is unfair?
I don't blame you for wanting to eat alone, not everyone wants to socialise.
I would go out to your car or out of the building at lunch time while they head to the canteen, and then come back in a few minutes later and eat lunch where you want.

Reugny · 26/06/2024 13:25

oakleaffy · 26/06/2024 13:18

This. Getting up and having a walk around- no need to socialise if one doesn't want to.
Eating at a desk never looks good, either. It also can be smelly, depending on what is being consumed.

I've worked in offices where people go to the gym or for a run at lunch time.

They finish, have a quick shower and eat their lunch at their desks while working.

The OP just needs to show she is having a break at lunch time where ever she eats her lunch.

Cupcakemum79 · 26/06/2024 13:23

I think you should view her remarks as something that's meant to be positive. She's obviously trying to look out for your well being. Also she is literally telling you that you should feel free to take that break. So take it... and be glad you work in a company where even the CEO thinks it's important that people take care of themselves.
It worries me as well, if I see someone always working through lunch, never leaving her desk and doing overtime as well.
There is a reason why you should take a break after a maximum of six hours of work.
You don't have to join anyone in the canteen if you don't want to, just go for a walk?

SanctusInDistress · 26/06/2024 13:22

Take a book/magazine and read that whilst you take your lunch, at your desk if that’s what you want.

unless it is company policy no eating at desk, then they can’t force you to go to canteen.

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