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Paula Vennells is history but now at the Post Office Inquiry is Fujitsu distinguished engineer Gareth Jenkins - thread 4

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nauticant · 25/06/2024 21:22

A continuation of this thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5094266-paula-vennells-was-done-the-other-week-the-post-office-inquiry-is-now-questioning-associates-and-others-thread-3

When the hearings are going on, live-streaming can be found here:

https://www.youtube.com/@postofficehorizonitinquiry947/featured

All of the previous hearings can be found here:

https://www.youtube.com/@postofficehorizonitinquiry947/videos

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nauticant · 26/06/2024 15:26

Even more foolishly, GJ then seeks to justify Ward's nobbling and avoids criticising what Ward did. Maybe he thinks that Ward getting into trouble will mean more trouble for GJ. If that's right, then his common sense is severely lacking.

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nauticant · 26/06/2024 15:01

Sir Wyn Williams intervenes to express contempt for what GJ is asserting.

That section of cross-examination went very badly for GJ.

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nauticant · 26/06/2024 14:57

GJ's interpretation of "the two paragraphs" that he presented in his witness statement is utterly bonkers. It was foolish to try that on. It undermines his credibility.

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nauticant · 26/06/2024 14:36

Ahh, GJ is being taken through the creation of the infamous witness statement that Graham Ward nobbled, that we heard about last week.

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nauticant · 26/06/2024 14:26

That long section was about the creation of documents which were key to Post Office having the view that the Horizon system was reliable which fed through to how Post Office ran its cases in court, mainly criminal but also civil.

Now onto case studies on who did, and didn't do, what. This is where GJ tends to struggle.

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AutumnCrow · 26/06/2024 14:25

GJ: 'I didn't understand the legal niceties'

AutumnCrow · 26/06/2024 14:25

GJ: 'I wasn't aware of my ignorance then'

AutumnCrow · 26/06/2024 14:23

This evidence explains so much

PrimaDoner · 26/06/2024 14:15

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AutumnCrow · 26/06/2024 13:51

Lunde · 26/06/2024 12:54

I heard JB say that he had hay fever so hopefully then can get him dosed up with Clarityn during lunch.

I'm on a cocktail of Fexofenadine and Piriton today. It's crap. I hope he got someone to look at his throat.

Lunde · 26/06/2024 12:54

I heard JB say that he had hay fever so hopefully then can get him dosed up with Clarityn during lunch.

DanielGault · 26/06/2024 12:52

nauticant · 26/06/2024 12:47

Oh dear, Jason Beer is struggling with his cough. Early lunch called, returning at 13.35.

He doesn't look well at all tbf. It must be hard standing and talking for that long.

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nauticant · 26/06/2024 12:47

Oh dear, Jason Beer is struggling with his cough. Early lunch called, returning at 13.35.

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DanielGault · 26/06/2024 12:20

I think I'm somewhat overinvested in this. My friend just messaged me to ask if I was ok because she hadn't had a text about the inquiry in a couple of days 😳

DanielGault · 26/06/2024 12:10

The long and the short of it is, if they were all so bloody inept and understood nothing, how did they actually get these jobs?

CustardySergeant · 26/06/2024 12:05

I'm so sick of "I didn't understand" from this man. His testimony is incredibly frustrating.

Cailleach1 · 26/06/2024 12:02

Whether the intent is there or not, I’m just wondering if he is much different in the breadth of his technical abilities. Most people would assume great intelligence, knowledge and expertise as it is beyond our wit.

You can be hyper focused, and still take the complete picture into account if it has any possible effect on your area of focus. Indeed, it would be negligent not to in many cases.

I remember the Mars Climate Orbiter that failed (multi millions cost) as there were teams working in Metric, and others working in Imperial.

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nauticant · 26/06/2024 11:58

Not sure what to make of the conflict in evidence between GJ and Ian Henderson's (Second Sight) witness statement. Especially when, during Henderson's testimony, it was clear that Henderson was mixing things he'd learned recently with what he knew a decade or so ago.

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Ruperims · 26/06/2024 11:50

Cailleach1 · 26/06/2024 11:38

I wonder how much of a technical expert he is, though. You can see his disingenuous and unthinking responses when it is in plain English. ‘I would have done things differently if I had received the letter about my duties’. ‘Ah, now I see I received the letter, but it didn’t make any impact on me at all. So my first answer is bunkum.’ All paraphrased.

Maybe that is replicated in his efforts with his technical expertise. Tunnel vision and without looking at anything extraneous which might impact that. ‘Let us never doubt what nobody is sure about’. He admits that later on he became aware of outside elements which could have an effect on the Horizon. He didn’t take possible unknowns into account. Just because it is more technical makes everyone think he is fully on top of the techie stuff. Maybe he is just as limited in that. A skimmer in all respects. Cutting corners.

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That's why a few of us see autism. It's what we get accused of all the time and we often struggle with hypotheticals. Not lazy, just hyper focused. I don't see intent at all from him compared to others

Cailleach1 · 26/06/2024 11:38

nauticant · 26/06/2024 11:24

It's my experience that when you take someone from a context in which they're an expert, and put them in a completely alien context with very different rules, then it's best to guide them carefully to stop them becoming lost.

I wonder how much of a technical expert he is, though. You can see his disingenuous and unthinking responses when it is in plain English. ‘I would have done things differently if I had received the letter about my duties’. ‘Ah, now I see I received the letter, but it didn’t make any impact on me at all. So my first answer is bunkum.’ All paraphrased.

Maybe that is replicated in his efforts with his technical expertise. Tunnel vision and without looking at anything extraneous which might impact that. ‘Let us never doubt what nobody is sure about’. He admits that later on he became aware of outside elements which could have an effect on the Horizon. He didn’t take possible unknowns into account. Just because it is more technical makes everyone think he is fully on top of the techie stuff. Maybe he is just as limited in that. A skimmer in all respects. Cutting corners.

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nauticant · 26/06/2024 11:37

I'm not sure if anyone else has linked to Nick Wallis on GJ's evidence yesterday:

www.postofficescandal.uk/post/gareth-jenkins-the-incredible-witness/

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nauticant · 26/06/2024 11:27

Yes, that's right.

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AutumnCrow · 26/06/2024 11:26

He knew by 2018 that remote transactions would be attributed to the SPMs if they were logged on at the time, and others (SSC/John Simpkins) already knew it? Have I just heard that right?

Quebeccles · 26/06/2024 11:26

Well said, @Xiaoxiong

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nauticant · 26/06/2024 11:24

A longer break than normal till 11.40. That'll be the only morning break.

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