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Tell me there will be people held to account!! Corruption!!

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AirportObs · 25/06/2024 08:40

I am incensed!!! This is staggering waste of public money!!!!!! Staggering.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cll476qzm85o

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StGuffersOfTheVillage · 25/06/2024 13:25

No one could have predicted the level of demand and the duration it would be required for.

Except they actually did. Feb 2016, just under 4 years before the covid-19 pandemic, the UK government ordered a pandemic planning exercise to highlight actions that needed to be taken to prepare the country for a respiratory (Coronabvirus) outbreak.

Observations from that exercise...

"Level and use of personal protective equipment (PPE) was central to the exercise dialogue and considered of crucial importance for front line staff. It was noted that the leaming from Ebola on infection control understanding, although improved, is still not embedded with staff. Clear instruction for PPE level and use was recommended. Access to sufficient levels of appropriate PPE was also considered and pandemic stockpiles were suggested as a means to ensure sufficient quantities were available."

Shade17 · 25/06/2024 13:01

AirportObs · 25/06/2024 12:15

If Labour win I hope there is an enquiry and people named and shamed.

Let’s not forget that Labour don’t exactly have a great record when it comes to waste either, £10bn on a failed NHS IT project? The government will waste money regardless of what flavour they are, no doubt we’ll see similar happen under Starmer.

AirportObs · 25/06/2024 12:15

If Labour win I hope there is an enquiry and people named and shamed.

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porridgecake · 25/06/2024 11:33

MichaelFabricantsSyrup · 25/06/2024 09:47

I'd rather they went after the ones that purchased a yacht with their government funds whilst managing not to supply anything fit for purpose (and sitting in the House of Lords)

This. Companies who had been supplying the NHS for decades were sidelined, unable to speak to anyone, unable to get anyone to place an order, while money was given to these grifters who knew nothing about PPE.
See also Dido Harding and the contact tracing.

Harassedevictee · 25/06/2024 11:31

AllyCart · 25/06/2024 11:02

It shouldn't have been such a panic though because we have National, regularly refreshed, stocks of PPE and other supplies for just this purpose in order to buy the time to replenish in an orderly fashion.

Only we didn't have that emergency stock...

No one could have predicted the level of demand and the duration it would be required for.

timenowplease · 25/06/2024 11:18

malachitegreen · 25/06/2024 10:50

you presumably want medical staff to be using fresh, sterile indate equipment and medication on you when you need treatment. What did you think happened to the outdated, no longer sterile stuff?

If it's not fit for an operating theatre it could be used elsewhere. At the very least it should have been distributed to care homes and anywhere else that uses PPE.

Me, I'd be happy to bulk buy boxes of nitrile gloves as I go through loads for work. They cost minimum £6 at B&M for a box of 100. Before covid I could get a box for £2.99.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 25/06/2024 11:14

Thelnebriati · 25/06/2024 10:08

@TaraTories
You just lob it out of the car window when you go past a patch of land do you?

You can hand it in at a pharmacy.

Exactly, that's what I do. Why on earth would I throw expired medication, needles and syringes out of a car window ?

StGuffersOfTheVillage · 25/06/2024 11:06

Nowordsformethanks · 25/06/2024 10:16

A little clue as to what the OP on about isn't too much to ask for. Not everyone clicks on a link based on a random and evasive outrage post.

From the OP: The link is to the BBC website regarding useable PPE costing £1.4 billion being wasted, being incinerated. Not forgetting the further £100million in sorting the PPE.

Seems like a pretty good clue to me Grin

AllyCart · 25/06/2024 11:02

Harassedevictee · 25/06/2024 10:57

Good old fashioned Civil Servants would have insisted on a proper procurement process being followed.

Sadly the media and public backlash of demanding the gmt find PPE asap meant corners were cut.

If the NHS on a standard day used a million items of PPE and during Covid that went up to 5 million a day, plus non-NHS also having increased demand, it was obviously not possible to increase production 4 fold unless short cuts were taken.

It shouldn't have been such a panic though because we have National, regularly refreshed, stocks of PPE and other supplies for just this purpose in order to buy the time to replenish in an orderly fashion.

Only we didn't have that emergency stock...

Harassedevictee · 25/06/2024 10:57

Good old fashioned Civil Servants would have insisted on a proper procurement process being followed.

Sadly the media and public backlash of demanding the gmt find PPE asap meant corners were cut.

If the NHS on a standard day used a million items of PPE and during Covid that went up to 5 million a day, plus non-NHS also having increased demand, it was obviously not possible to increase production 4 fold unless short cuts were taken.

TaraTories · 25/06/2024 10:55

malachitegreen · 25/06/2024 10:50

you presumably want medical staff to be using fresh, sterile indate equipment and medication on you when you need treatment. What did you think happened to the outdated, no longer sterile stuff?

Which they didn't provide in a timely manner meaning millions got sick.
Then they overbought to give select companies (friends) billions of taxpayer money and leave it in a field in an area of beauty to cause environmental issues and be burnt. Not hard to see the multiple failings.

TaraTories · 25/06/2024 10:51

Thelnebriati · 25/06/2024 10:08

@TaraTories
You just lob it out of the car window when you go past a patch of land do you?

You can hand it in at a pharmacy.

Did they do that here or am I missing a big pharmacy in a field?

malachitegreen · 25/06/2024 10:50

you presumably want medical staff to be using fresh, sterile indate equipment and medication on you when you need treatment. What did you think happened to the outdated, no longer sterile stuff?

AirportObs · 25/06/2024 10:46

Perhaps not corruption then? I’m not sure what to label it, but the waste. My cousin is a civil servant (nothing personal) she’s one of the most arrogant, self serving, obnoxious people I know! It worries me about the people making decisions in this country.

This was a ridiculous level of waste, as PP have said the sheer waste of money is obscene.

i do not know why it could not be used elsewhere?

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AirportObs · 25/06/2024 10:42

StGuffersOfTheVillage · 25/06/2024 10:13

It actually gets worse...

"The Department for Health & Social Care (DHSC) lost 75% of the £12 billion it spent on personal protective equipment (PPE) in the first year of the pandemic to inflated prices and kit that did not meet requirements"

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/public-accounts-committee/news/171306/4-billion-of-unusable-ppe-bought-in-first-year-of-pandemic-will-be-burnt-to-generate-power/

I knew it was bad but not this bad?!

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AirportObs · 25/06/2024 10:42

Nowordsformethanks · 25/06/2024 10:16

A little clue as to what the OP on about isn't too much to ask for. Not everyone clicks on a link based on a random and evasive outrage post.

Didn’t I say in the post below the link?

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Nowordsformethanks · 25/06/2024 10:16

A little clue as to what the OP on about isn't too much to ask for. Not everyone clicks on a link based on a random and evasive outrage post.

Tel12 · 25/06/2024 10:14

Some tried and tested suppliers couldn't get a look in. That smacks of more than incompetence. If you screwed up at work and lost 100k you'd probably get disciplinary action. 100m? Oh well these things happen.

StGuffersOfTheVillage · 25/06/2024 10:13

It actually gets worse...

"The Department for Health & Social Care (DHSC) lost 75% of the £12 billion it spent on personal protective equipment (PPE) in the first year of the pandemic to inflated prices and kit that did not meet requirements"

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/public-accounts-committee/news/171306/4-billion-of-unusable-ppe-bought-in-first-year-of-pandemic-will-be-burnt-to-generate-power/

timenowplease · 25/06/2024 10:10

Ignore the Government wonks OP. Of course YANBU.

Total incompetence and corruption.

StGuffersOfTheVillage · 25/06/2024 10:09

I'm with you, OP. I can wrap my head around buying lots of PPE at the time (though cannot ever understand how they bought so much that was not up to standard - different topic). But surely, then the answer has been to not buy any more and use up the stockpiles we had while they were still in date?

£1.5bn is a hell of a lot of money to just waste like this. Look at any of the manifestos - they are all having to explain how they would fund their porposals, down to the millions and this government here has wasted much more than that on a single contract.

Thelnebriati · 25/06/2024 10:08

@TaraTories
You just lob it out of the car window when you go past a patch of land do you?

You can hand it in at a pharmacy.

Atlastsomesun · 25/06/2024 10:06

I'm with you, OP. The sheer, stinking waste and incompetence of it all. Greed and immorality. Vile.

malachitegreen · 25/06/2024 09:58

I dont see any corruption? What are you incensed about?

TaraTories · 25/06/2024 09:57

BloodyHellKenAgain · 25/06/2024 09:24

IMO this is a non-issue.
Tonnes of out of date ppe/medication/needles/syringes/bandages etc are chucked every day. I've just disposed of a bagful myself from my child's emergency pack because (fortunately) we didn't use it.
It sounds more like over ordering stuff which has now expired to me.
I imagine if not enough had been ordered the govt would be criticised for that as well 😂

You just lob it out of the car window when you go past a patch of land do you?
They've dumped this after making sure their friends got rich from it. The amount spent here could be spent on NHS or SEN provision. No small potatoes.