Please can someone tell me if my dd is lying? iPhone question

I went jogging a 6am between ages 14-16 as I was training for a trekking holiday, I couldn't have gone later because I wouldn't have made it to school. My mum was a bit nervous about it so I went with a friend, would that be an option? We lived rurally so I'm sure if you live in a more dangerous area that would affect your view.

My kids send me a Strava beacon when they are running, it means I can click on the link and track them easily if I need to

support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/224357527-Strava-Beacon

She doesn't want you tracking her location which is fair enough. Where is she planning on jogging?

OP if your dd is in your family with Apple. You can control whether they are allowed to turn off sharing.

haha sigh! I tried to edit all the names out but missed one. And I liked this username too 😂

Unfortunately for your daughter you can log on to find my iPhone from any computer with the Apple ID and password and switch it on/check what’s going on etc..
it’s up to you if you choose do this, switch it on and let her think it’s not switched on…
Also re: storage, I would bet my bottom dollar that the lack of storage is at least in part due to the evil that is TikTok. The storage that app accumulates due to goodness knows what horrors is unreal.
you need to delete it from the device and you can then redownload if and log back in (or just leave it deleted forever..) and youl have a lot more space on your device.

Well she is under age and presumably you are paying for the phone? So she has it on or there is no iphone.

Also Life360 is a good app for location.

Sorry but you can’t allow kids to make the rules up just cos they paid for stuff. Parents still have to parent.

Came on to say this! It's the equivalent of about one short video. She's having you on.
You can reinstall it easily from the App Store and ask she keeps it on.

Find my phone cannot be deleted. She has clocked that you don’t track her as a rule and so she doesn’t want to be tracked at other times.

the first time she didn’t follow the rules about keeping in touch or coming home at the agreed time there would be consequences. Please get a bit more confident and firmer about where your red lines are and what the consequences are.

Find my is on and shared or no jogging. If this is a stand off get your running kit on and meet her at 6am and jog together. I would not NOT have find my on. Crazy.

How is the relationship otherwise?

Snapchat: She can share it with you, and only you.
I only share my location with DS. My nieces and nephews don't need to know when I'm at the supermarket!

It's a very small amount of space. It's not really worth deleting for storage

If she has Snapchat there's location sharing on it

Not all teens are sex fiends.
At 15 I was very sporty and I was up at 6am and often cycled to the gym at my high school or ran round the track before classes. I can imagine a health conscious teen just going for a jog at 6am. That is a normal time to exercise.

And realistically, tracking her by watching find my in bed at 6:10am isn’t going to make her safe.

This is more about distrust than safety and teens are not stupid.

Does she have Snapchat? You can follow her on that too. It's pretty accurate.

It’s really not necessary. If something happens while jogging, the police can trace a cell phone without find my or other location sharing activated and even if the phone is turned off. She goes jogging at 6am and presumably returns home within a fairly predictable window. If she disappears, you call the police. Simples. Having find my turned on won’t make a bit of difference to the police.

Plenty of people leave for work at 6 am. Do you think she's going to someone's house then?

What time does she usually come back from jogging? Is it clear she's been running?

Yep… she’s up to something. A boyfriend or girlfriend. Freedom to roam must come with conditions - for safety reasons. The world is not a safe place and kids think they know everything.

You can also have location turned on in imessage so when you click the persons name in your message you can see location!

It is possible to “delete” find my from your iPhone. Technically it isn’t deleted but a 15yr old isn’t going to know this bit of esoteric info. You remove it like you would any other App so it seems deleted.

If you got an iPhone with say only 64GB storage, she could have a point about lack of storage and/or lack of data allowances as find my uses data when out and not at home using WiFi.

You might want to consider an iCloud+ subscription to add more storage and then activate family sharing so she can access the iCloud+ storage and you can track and see how much is being used.

You also might want to consider upgrading her data allowance on her cell phone package if you want her to have find my active everytime she is out of the house.

Finally, if the objection based on logistics is masking an objection based on privacy, you may have to compromise with her on how to reassure you she is ok without her feeling constantly watched, monitored and tracked. My teens refused find my and with a teen you know they will turn it on as you stand over them and then as soon as they are 5mins away will turn it off. This will then cause battles of will, grounding, defiance, worse behaviour etc.

I instead said how about you send me texts saying you have arrived at friends house, or to gym, or at bus stop with ETA…and told them if after dark and walking to call & we can chat while they walk home.

This. It's not difficult at all.

She's 15. No location sharing, no jogging at 6am, or she can fess up about what she really wants to do at 6am. Because if it was jogging, she can delete a video or two and put it on.

I would say she can’t go jogging then (I also have a 15 year old daughter). Location sharing is a proviso of the freedoms she has. If they don’t want to share their location at that age, there’s a very good chance they’re being dishonest unfortunately.

If she doesn't have enough space she can delete something else to reinstall it .

She needs to delete photos/videos and/or other apps to free up storage.