Please can someone tell me if my dd is lying? iPhone question

@Lilacapples MANY apologies. It was @Conniebygaslight who said "Maybe the lad in Tenerife and Michael Mosely would've been found if they had a tracker on their phone"

Eh? I never mentioned Michael Mosley or the young lad in Tenerife!

I don’t know any children that jog at 6am and I seriously doubt there are many. I also don’t know many adults that jog at 6am 🤷. I do have a child that was attacked in the park though and was kicked repeatedly in the face . The activity is irrelevant, being out alone at 6am is the issue here.

I'm so glad smartphones and this type of thing wasn't around when I was in my mid/late teens! I was given a reasonable amount of independence at around 15/16 and while I wouldn't give chapter and verse, there WAS a generally mutual respectful dialogue where I'd tell my folks where/when/who with and when I planned to be back. Beyond that, there was trust. That communication continued and while over 18 I didn't have to say anything really, I did keep that mutually respectful communication going - at the very least giving some indiction of when I planned to be home (ie before/after midnight) out of courtesy.

But had there been this tracking lark then, I would have resisted it with everything I had - not because I was "up to something" but on principle. I never really did anything particularly controversial, but this "tracking people" tech gives me the creeps and would've changed the whole dynamic of my relationship with my folks.

Had it been "enforced" (a la "no tracker, no phone" or similar) then three things would've happened: 1) I'd have saved up every penny I got to get myself another private phone with the "tracked" phone becoming nothing more than a piece of plastic I would strategically take/put wherever I wanted to be "located" while I was actually no where near. 2) I'd have turned it around and driven my mum INSANE with it - constantly messaging and asking why she was in X place AND given a running commentary on where I was (including every time I went to the loo - EVERYTHING) - to where it would be stupidly boring for her - I'd comment on her every move too and if she complained I'd have responded with "but why is it a problem if you're not up to anything... I'm just checking you're safe. And you wanted to know my every move so I'm just giving you want you wanted". And finally 3) - and this is the most important one - that positive communication I had with my folks - would've been gone. I'd have made it a point to tell them bugger all - or at least fed them BS. I'd have lost that mutual respect with them and I'd have gone all out to make sure they had no idea where I was. Safer? Not so much.

I don't get the issue re the 6am jogging - it's not the middle of the night! I could understand the concern a bit more in the winter when it's pitch black and horrible then, but at the moment? I don't get the worry - I'm up at that time frequently and there are loads of people jogging at that time. It's a very common time for keen joggers to get out - either to get a run in before work or before it gets too warm/busy etc.... joggers and dog-walkers are often to be found at 6am round here (and in other places I've lived too).

I get you want her to be safe (although if I'm honest, I think you want to track her for more than just "keeping her safe"), but be careful it doesn't backfire.

Nah, it's the dog walkers. Always.

that and the fact that runners always find bodies

The only thing that can possibly happen to her when she is out on her own at 6am (or any time) is that she can sprain her ankle?

The only thing? That can possibly happen?

Oh that’s all right then.

i don’t track my kids, but if my daughter (16) is going somewhere all day she will do an 8hr share on what’s app. But my kids are very sensible. If there had been issues I might feel differently. There’s still ways around these tracking apps, like leaving your phone at your friends if you’re saying that’s where you are and going off without a phone. So not foolproof

Quite. When I was young, 15 year olds could babysit. Now they need babysitters 🤦‍♂️

I managed these people when they hit the workplace, and they are totally unprepared for real life.

it worries me the amound of parents of pre-adults insist on location apps for their phones. what has happened to good old trust?

these devices that have fall detection and crash detection are the bane of my life at work! we are forever chasing non existent happenings..

79p... i know this as when my now 26 year old was in school we paid for extra storage... and its never been cancelled... it makes me giggle every month! so nearly 10 years of extra storage and its all taken up by photos... i keep badgering her to download them.. but like with everything life gets in the way😂😂

@Crispsarethebestfood I'm not being a dick. The only thing that might possibly happen is she sprains her ankle- and she can call home for help.

I don't think young people-particularly girls-should be conditioned to think being tracked is normal or desirable or will keep them safe. I think it's psychologically and potentially physically dangerous. And I think it's our job as parents to let our children do things that scare us.

Her mother is worrying about her safety.

I don't think that is true. Her mother is worried about her lying about where she is. That's a different problem. If it's true, then find my phone / location tracking won't help as it takes no time at all to set it up to show she is somewhere else.

Probably because it’s bloody obvious and everyone thinks you are just being a dick.

But ok, I’ll bite. Because if anything happened, at the very least, someone could pinpoint her last known location.

Happy?

Nobody has been able to tell me why being trackable on what I presume would be quite a short run in her local area would have the slightest impact on this girl's safety.

Those asking if she pays for the phone... this is irrelevant. Her mother is worrying about her safety.

Find My bundles in being able to find the device if lost. It's vital IMHO.

She needs to reinstall it and get the memory back from something else.

Where's your assertiveness? She's 15, she'll do as she's told or she won't go out.

You don't need her permission to parent her. Boundaries are important.

There have been suggestions of a sensible middle (having conversations about awareness etc), but they were shot down. The OP has had the question answered, however it also looks like there are deeper issues of trust here that are outside the scope of the original question. I suspect it is this aspect that has provoked responses outside the original parameters.

So we’ve got two extremes;

a) ‘you’re a helicopter parent if you don’t turf your child out at 4 to walk across broken glass to get to school, it’s pointless trying to protect anyone or find out where they are they will never be a functioning adult if you don’t give them complete freedom, when I was young our parents left us for 2 weeks at a time with only a potato and a dripping tap these kids don’t know they are born’ group

b) ‘well unless I know who they are with at all times and they are live-streaming their conversations so I can see and hear everything then I’ll smash every electronic they own and they will never leave the house unless chained to a parent because they must be doing drugs or in a cult’ group

What about the sensible middle? The technology exists. It didn’t when most of us were younger. It is a good thing overall. It is handy to know where kids are because they are crap at keeping in touch (despite never being further than a fingertip from a device) so you don’t need to pester them to see if they are on the bus because…. you can check. It doesn’t mean you are going to question their every decision. In the OP case; the 6am running is unusual behaviour and the 15 year old child has refused to share their location. That is a worry, but so many people are concerned about their ‘tracking’ worries that they are not helping the OP with this. Another poster has literally said that their child was similar, and was meeting their dealer. I honestly think that if the OP had posted about their OH suddenly going jogging at 6am and not saying where he was going she would have got more sympathy from some (and LTB, obviously).
Come on guys. Put the agendas away and give some support to the actual question asked.

@Lilacapples "You’re being ridiculous. Shes a child and could easily get attacked at that time of the morning or have an accident. I repeat she’s a child!"

It was you brought up Michael Mosley and the young man in Tenerife!

How many people of any age do you know who have been attacked or injured while jogging near their homes? And of them how many would have been helped by being tracked?

You’re being ridiculous. Shes a child and could easily get attacked at that time of the morning or have an accident. I repeat she’s a child!

@ManchesterLu "Yeah, the jogging at that time in the morning on her own is a non-starter unless you can check on her location."

Why?

Ok thank you, we share iCloud and this is good to know then.

Op should take up joining the morning jog