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Difficulties with asking Ukrainian refugees to leave after 1+ year of hosting them

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uainuk · 24/06/2024 23:32

Hi all. I’m a mumsnet reader and I know how helpful and non-toxic this community is, so I decided to ask for a sanity check and advice on my situation. I’m Ukrainian myself, so it’s very difficult for me to be unbiased. And I don’t understand local mentality well enough yet. So your kind and weighted opinion will be very much appreciated. I also want to mention that not all Ukrainians are like the woman I describe in this post (or like me, of course). It’s just a one specific situation.

My boyfriend hosted a Ukrainian mum (50+) with a child (12+) more than a year ago, before we met. He had spare rooms and he’s a very nice and kind person, so it wasn’t a problem for him. He thought it will be a 6-month stay, but it already lasted much longer. In a couple of months after he hosted them we met and our relationship started developing. We decided to move in together a couple of months ago. Before I moved in he started having conversations with the woman he’s hosting about them moving on. She was looking for different excuses why she needs more time etc, but they finally agreed on the date. When the date was approaching she asked for more time and he let her stay longer. And now she’s running out of time again. And conversations become tougher.

She’s been here for more that 2 years living with different hosts, she still can’t speak English properly (because she’s not learning it, but chilling most of the time instead). She has 16 hours/week job and doesn’t want to work more hours on a low-paid job, because she believes she’s entitled to something better. She doesn’t want to rent privately, because she wants a council flat and she says she can’t afford private rent even though she gets Universal Credit and she can get housing benefits.

I’m also a Ukrainian and I ended up in the UK because of the war. I have a good job here and I never was on any kind of benefits, so I don’t know how the system works. But I used benefits calculator and I can see that she could afford renting privately. So I assume she just doesn’t want because she (probably) can’t save that much money if she rents privately compared to social housing. I worked my ass off for my entire life and keep doing that so I really can’t understand her.

My boyfriend wants them to move out, but he is not as direct and pushy as I am (he’s very English and I mean it in a very good way). I’m trying to be supportive, but I’m starting to freak out. The date is approaching and the situation becomes even more stressful for me and him. Even though we are trying to be a team, I think he feels more responsibility because he was hosting them before I moved in. And he’s trying to be nice to her which I believe she takes as a weakness. So the woman is trying to manipulate a lot and is saying how hard her life is and that she can’t move out because of ‘new reason every time’. And she’s trying to make him pay for her stuff, do jobs for her etc.

Am I being unreasonable? Am I being a bitch that wants a poor mum and a child to leave? I feel like I want to build my family and instead I’m having a constant stress on top of my work stress (I have a demanding and stressful job, which I love though and which is well-paid). I feel like he’s a bit too soft, kind and caring to a person that doesn’t deserve it. Do you have any advice on how my boyfriend and I could manage this situation more as a team and not ruin our relationship instead? Has anyone been in a similar situation with Ukrainians on homes for Ukraine scheme that don’t want to move out and how did you handle it?

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Mummy2024 · 25/06/2024 00:52

greenpolarbear · 25/06/2024 00:30

What are you doing at the moment, privately renting? Will you be paying the same to live with your boyfriend? Will he be claiming money for you under the homes for Ukraine scheme? If not presumably it's going to be a hit to his income unless you're planning to make up the shortfall.

Ukrainians aren't prioritised for social housing.

I hosted a Ukrainian refugee for a year and kicking her out would never have crossed my mind.

Edited

A year.... so she didn't over stay her welcome then.... A year is more than enough to find a job and a home of your own. It's already been 18 months and she still wants to stay.... council lists are 10 years long. Ukrainians are not prioritised no but homeless people are....

Fluffyhoglets · 25/06/2024 00:45

They are eligible for support as homeless and as she has a child they will need to be housed while homeless. She will then get some priority for social housing but may also be found a private rent by the council - which she will have to accept if the council consider its affordable.

uainuk · 25/06/2024 00:44

greenpolarbear · 25/06/2024 00:30

What are you doing at the moment, privately renting? Will you be paying the same to live with your boyfriend? Will he be claiming money for you under the homes for Ukraine scheme? If not presumably it's going to be a hit to his income unless you're planning to make up the shortfall.

Ukrainians aren't prioritised for social housing.

I hosted a Ukrainian refugee for a year and kicking her out would never have crossed my mind.

Edited

I’m privately renting, I’m not claiming any money from the UK government and I’m a net contributor. I pay for a couple of people on benefits at least from my taxes (and it’s ok). He will not be claiming any money for me and I will be contributing to the household as any other partner would do. Neither he or I are worried about the hit to our income. And that was never a reason to host a Ukrainian family for him.

Thank you for hosting a Ukrainian. How did it go for you?

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greenpolarbear · 25/06/2024 00:30

What are you doing at the moment, privately renting? Will you be paying the same to live with your boyfriend? Will he be claiming money for you under the homes for Ukraine scheme? If not presumably it's going to be a hit to his income unless you're planning to make up the shortfall.

Ukrainians aren't prioritised for social housing.

I hosted a Ukrainian refugee for a year and kicking her out would never have crossed my mind.

uainuk · 25/06/2024 00:29

Fluffyhoglets · 25/06/2024 00:12

She's entitled to support from the council as a homeless person. He needs to be firm with her and who ever his contact is at the local authority dealing with the homes for Ukraine scheme, that she needs to leave on a certain day.
Do not let the council talk him into her staying longer.

Yes, thanks for your comment, I agree. Council is very supportive from what he says. It’s more about him being firm as you say. He’s doing his best, but it’s really difficult. Imaging having a woman and a child in your house for almost year and a half and now going through all this drama. I would be ok probably, but I understand his struggle. I respect it, but it’s a struggle for me as well.

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uainuk · 25/06/2024 00:21

trekking1 · 25/06/2024 00:11

To put it bluntly, your bf needs to stop being a doormat and telling them they need to leave. He should also let the council know.

There is no "how can we as a team" because it is his house and he should take care of it. If you go into this mode of thinking he is just too nice and you need to push him, you will create a dynamic between you two that is more like mother-son than a couple. I have seen this time and time again.

The council will place them somewhere, they will not be on the street. He just needs to grow a pair and get it done.

Thank you for your comment. He let the council know, but he’s trying to end it on good terms and dealing with her is really difficult for him emotionally (I can understand him, she’s really very manipulative). I agree about the mother-son dynamic. That’s something that probably made me so worried today that I wrote this post. I feel like it’s going in a wrong direction between two of us.

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QuestionableMouse · 25/06/2024 00:17

Mummy2024 · 24/06/2024 23:50

Tell him to throw her out.... not in a bad way, she will have to go to the council who will house her and she will get housed faster that way. Will still take years but she will get it faster than she will staying there. Explain that and say I'm sorry but the date is the date, not changing.

Please don't quote the entire long post. It's a pita to get past!

uainuk · 25/06/2024 00:15

Mummy2024 · 24/06/2024 23:50

Tell him to throw her out.... not in a bad way, she will have to go to the council who will house her and she will get housed faster that way. Will still take years but she will get it faster than she will staying there. Explain that and say I'm sorry but the date is the date, not changing.

”Throw her out” sounds harsh even for me (and I’m not a softie by any means). But I agree with the rest. They will get temporary housing if they become ‘homeless’. That’s the main concern for my boyfriend, because we don’t know how bad it is and there’s a child there (teenager). But they would be prioritized for social housing and that’s what she wants. She says Ukrainians are prioritized for social housing (which I don’t think is fair if it’s true), but she’s been waiting for 9 months already and still didn’t get it. She’s very picky about the location and condition of social housing though. Apparently she wants something similar to where she lives now which will never happen.

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Fluffyhoglets · 25/06/2024 00:12

She's entitled to support from the council as a homeless person. He needs to be firm with her and who ever his contact is at the local authority dealing with the homes for Ukraine scheme, that she needs to leave on a certain day.
Do not let the council talk him into her staying longer.

trekking1 · 25/06/2024 00:11

To put it bluntly, your bf needs to stop being a doormat and telling them they need to leave. He should also let the council know.

There is no "how can we as a team" because it is his house and he should take care of it. If you go into this mode of thinking he is just too nice and you need to push him, you will create a dynamic between you two that is more like mother-son than a couple. I have seen this time and time again.

The council will place them somewhere, they will not be on the street. He just needs to grow a pair and get it done.

uainuk · 25/06/2024 00:07

ByCupidStunt · 24/06/2024 23:49

I think this is a common problem and it'll be interesting to see what responses you get.

Why do you want them to leave?

That's a very good question. When I think about it from a selfish perspective, because I want to live with my boyfriend together, not with random people in the house. When I think about it from a rational perspective, because I think people should use Homes for Ukraine scheme to get on their feet and not to have free accommodation forever. We all should take care of ourselves. All people can go through difficult times and we need support through those times. Ukrainians need it because there’s a war in our country and lots of us just can’t live there at the moment. But it should not become an excuse to having an easy life on someone else’s expense. And that’s how this situation looks to me. I might be wrong though, that’s why I’m asking people here.

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Mummy2024 · 24/06/2024 23:50

uainuk · 24/06/2024 23:32

Hi all. I’m a mumsnet reader and I know how helpful and non-toxic this community is, so I decided to ask for a sanity check and advice on my situation. I’m Ukrainian myself, so it’s very difficult for me to be unbiased. And I don’t understand local mentality well enough yet. So your kind and weighted opinion will be very much appreciated. I also want to mention that not all Ukrainians are like the woman I describe in this post (or like me, of course). It’s just a one specific situation.

My boyfriend hosted a Ukrainian mum (50+) with a child (12+) more than a year ago, before we met. He had spare rooms and he’s a very nice and kind person, so it wasn’t a problem for him. He thought it will be a 6-month stay, but it already lasted much longer. In a couple of months after he hosted them we met and our relationship started developing. We decided to move in together a couple of months ago. Before I moved in he started having conversations with the woman he’s hosting about them moving on. She was looking for different excuses why she needs more time etc, but they finally agreed on the date. When the date was approaching she asked for more time and he let her stay longer. And now she’s running out of time again. And conversations become tougher.

She’s been here for more that 2 years living with different hosts, she still can’t speak English properly (because she’s not learning it, but chilling most of the time instead). She has 16 hours/week job and doesn’t want to work more hours on a low-paid job, because she believes she’s entitled to something better. She doesn’t want to rent privately, because she wants a council flat and she says she can’t afford private rent even though she gets Universal Credit and she can get housing benefits.

I’m also a Ukrainian and I ended up in the UK because of the war. I have a good job here and I never was on any kind of benefits, so I don’t know how the system works. But I used benefits calculator and I can see that she could afford renting privately. So I assume she just doesn’t want because she (probably) can’t save that much money if she rents privately compared to social housing. I worked my ass off for my entire life and keep doing that so I really can’t understand her.

My boyfriend wants them to move out, but he is not as direct and pushy as I am (he’s very English and I mean it in a very good way). I’m trying to be supportive, but I’m starting to freak out. The date is approaching and the situation becomes even more stressful for me and him. Even though we are trying to be a team, I think he feels more responsibility because he was hosting them before I moved in. And he’s trying to be nice to her which I believe she takes as a weakness. So the woman is trying to manipulate a lot and is saying how hard her life is and that she can’t move out because of ‘new reason every time’. And she’s trying to make him pay for her stuff, do jobs for her etc.

Am I being unreasonable? Am I being a bitch that wants a poor mum and a child to leave? I feel like I want to build my family and instead I’m having a constant stress on top of my work stress (I have a demanding and stressful job, which I love though and which is well-paid). I feel like he’s a bit too soft, kind and caring to a person that doesn’t deserve it. Do you have any advice on how my boyfriend and I could manage this situation more as a team and not ruin our relationship instead? Has anyone been in a similar situation with Ukrainians on homes for Ukraine scheme that don’t want to move out and how did you handle it?

Tell him to throw her out.... not in a bad way, she will have to go to the council who will house her and she will get housed faster that way. Will still take years but she will get it faster than she will staying there. Explain that and say I'm sorry but the date is the date, not changing.

ByCupidStunt · 24/06/2024 23:49

I think this is a common problem and it'll be interesting to see what responses you get.

Why do you want them to leave?