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AIBU to “steal” this?

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AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 20:43

Hello everyone I just want your opinions on this as today I’ve been in a heated argument with my friend as to wether I am unreasonable or not.

I am off work on maternity leave so the funds are tight at minute. There is a man who lives near me I believe he is drug user, he sells half price stuff and also takes orders on what you want for half price. He knocks on my house about 1 or 2 times a week with a bag of half price goods. I always buy washing detergent and softeners from him because you can get a whole weeks laundry of the nice brands for around £10. Money is tight as I have just had a baby and I have 2 other children with my husband also. i also sometimes get baby milk formula from him if I’m running low because it’s cheap.

I feel like this is not wrong because if I didn’t buy it other people would. Even if no one bought it he would steal it anyway in hopes someone would buy it eventually.

Today my friend was at my house when he came so I offered her to have a look what he had. She immediately asked him where he got this stuff from and he replied “shop”. She didn’t say much after but when I finished buying my items she started shouting about how I’m funding his drugs addiction and I shouldn’t support it because I am now stealing too. I told her to relax it’s fine it’s only a couple of items. She didn’t say much and finished her coffee and left quick.

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

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llamajohn · 26/06/2024 21:02

Evan456 · 26/06/2024 20:16

She has 4 kids £10 is cheap!

Really? 2kg if washing powder from Aldi is £3.75 that's 40 washes, so 2 boxes at £7.50 easily enough to get a month worth of washes (80 loads or 2-3 a day)

Just don't use conditioner... £0. Easy.

Then disinfectant, you can buy 1ltr of concentrated disinfectant for 95p, which will make up 10 litres of disinfectant, chuck it in a spray bottle and use a cloth... Using a litre of spray a week? So, EASILY a month of cleaning for 50p.

Then dishwasher tablets? 40 tablets for under £4. Get 2 boxes and all it £8 for the month, why not.

So you can have clean clothes, dishes and surfaces for under £20 a month... So fuck knows why anyone thinks £10 a WEEK is cheap.

inamarina · 26/06/2024 20:59

Evan456 · 26/06/2024 20:16

She has 4 kids £10 is cheap!

£10 a week on laundry detergents, seriously? Of course it’s not cheap, and also not necessary.

WhatNext24 · 26/06/2024 20:58

Don't invite an unknown drug addict into your home OP.

Here's 40 washes for £3.75. NO need for fabric conditioner, it's pointless anyway.

https://www.lidl.co.uk/p/formil-washing-powder-non-bio-40-washes/p151389

Formil Washing Powder Non Bio 40 Washes - | Lidl UK

Formil Washing Powder Non Bio 40 Washes - At Lidl UK

https://www.lidl.co.uk/p/formil-washing-powder-non-bio-40-washes/p151389

oakleaffy · 26/06/2024 20:55

Fishcake15 · 24/06/2024 20:46

Moral compass goes out of the window when you need and can't afford baby milk.

Breastfeeding is FREE! - buying stolen goods is no excuse.
OP is funding someone's drug habit.

llamajohn · 26/06/2024 20:52

CelestiaNoctis · 26/06/2024 20:31

Its morally wrong but if you're that hard up then no one should judge you. Do what you gotta do.

She just has to not spend £10+ a week on stolen branded cleaning items, she can be just as clean for £10 a month...

llamajohn · 26/06/2024 20:49

Rosscameasdoody · 26/06/2024 20:46

Never been on the bones of your arse have you ? Not condoning what OP is doing but it’s understandable that she’s doing whatever she needs to to take care of here family/

No she's not.

Branded washing pods, scent beads etc are not exactly essential items, are they?
Her kids clothes will be just as clean with the much cheaper, Aldi powder ...

Rosscameasdoody · 26/06/2024 20:46

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 26/06/2024 20:37

In this country, no one, absolutely no one, needs to buy stolen goods to feed their family. They absolutely should be judged, and judged harshly.

Never been on the bones of your arse have you ? Not condoning what OP is doing but it’s understandable that she’s doing whatever she needs to to take care of here family/

Dervel · 26/06/2024 20:42

Look you know your own circumstances better than anyone. Of course driven by desperation we would all turn to any means fair or foul to take care of ourselves and our families.

Yes technically it’s stealing, and yes you are legally breaking the law. If you were my friend I wouldn’t judge you for it, and if I could spare it I’d offer to help you buy some essentials to get you over a financial hump.

I don’t buy the whole “it’s a big corporation so they won’t miss it” fallacy either. Trust me they won’t bear the loss, they will increase prices to cover it. So it’s everyone else that’s suffering from this incrementally at a time we’re all feeling the squeeze. You probably need to tell yourself this to justify it.

However in general terms it’s not the biggest sin in the world. It’s just one of those things that if we ALL did it things would get very very bad very quickly.

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 26/06/2024 20:37

CelestiaNoctis · 26/06/2024 20:31

Its morally wrong but if you're that hard up then no one should judge you. Do what you gotta do.

In this country, no one, absolutely no one, needs to buy stolen goods to feed their family. They absolutely should be judged, and judged harshly.

CelestiaNoctis · 26/06/2024 20:31

Its morally wrong but if you're that hard up then no one should judge you. Do what you gotta do.

wanttogetadvice · 26/06/2024 20:29

so what are you teaching your kids? That it is ok to steal? By buying stolen goods, you are condoning the activity. This is wrong on so many levels. And just because others are doing something wrong and illegal doesn't give you a pass to do it too. If everyone was jumping in fire, would you jump in it too? Big corporation or small shop, theft is theft. It is wrong, it is illegal and only despicable people conduct such activities. I would reconsider my friendship if I were your friend.

Justwantanap · 26/06/2024 20:27

There's no way I'd buy baby formula from a stranger! You have no idea if it's been tampered with/stored correctly/poisoned.

CaptainMyCaptain · 26/06/2024 20:24

ThePoshUns · 24/06/2024 20:45

You're handling stolen goods. And yes funding someone's drug habit.
You may not have much money but you are also lacking a moral compass.

This.

Rosscameasdoody · 26/06/2024 20:22

modgepodge · 24/06/2024 20:45

Not only is it morally wrong, possessing stolen goods is illegal so you could end up in trouble too.

also not the point of the post at all but I’m perplexed that you think £10 for laundry for a week is a bargain?! I don’t spend that in a month!!

i assume you don’t have children ? My mum is bladder incontinent, my washing machine is on most days, and my monthly spend on detergent, laundry sanitiser and fabric conditioner is around £30.

Despair1 · 26/06/2024 20:19

Yes, you are supporting his lifestyle and addictions. His 'deals' are also costing the shopowners. Please reflect

Evan456 · 26/06/2024 20:16

modgepodge · 24/06/2024 20:45

Not only is it morally wrong, possessing stolen goods is illegal so you could end up in trouble too.

also not the point of the post at all but I’m perplexed that you think £10 for laundry for a week is a bargain?! I don’t spend that in a month!!

She has 4 kids £10 is cheap!

thequickbrowndog · 26/06/2024 20:15

If I was skint I'd buy it too. But I'd be more concerned about being associated with this dodgy man. Be careful OP

DeeLasVegas · 26/06/2024 20:15

Let’s hope your kids get better morals than you.

You are handling stolen goods, helping to fund a drug addiction. Not to mention adding extra costs to the shops being robbed. They then have to put prices up because some lowlifes are nicking laundry detergent etc. Smaller shops can go bust and people lose their jobs. You have the cheek yourself to think you are NOT being unreasonable. It’s no different than you going and nicking it 😡 The mind boggles 🙄

DreamTheMoors · 26/06/2024 20:14

I’d be more concerned that one of these days he might be stealing from you, OP. Addicts don’t play favourites when they need money and times are tough.
You get that - right?
He knows you, he knows where you live and he even basically knows your routine.
He is not your friend.
You get that, too - right?

thestudio · 26/06/2024 20:14

If someone said 'these child sexual abuse images I looked at have already been taken, and if I didn't download them someone else would', how would you feel about that person?

Putting this 'moral quandary' into a (much) more serious context helps to clarify whether your basic moral argument is right or wrong.

Obviously these crimes are not so serious - but they do affect all of us. You having these items cheaper means that ultimately I pay more.

And that's before you get to the fact that you are, with your cheap washing powder, directly supporting the drugs trade, which is a trade which exacts a horrific toll on many of those forced to be involved in it. Torture, rape, death, kidnap, child abuse -all these things are drugs-trade-adjacent.

RubyWasp · 26/06/2024 20:10

We do what we need to do.

inamarina · 26/06/2024 20:08

Poddledoddle · 26/06/2024 18:26

Shoplifting is one of those things I really don't care about. You got a bargain. Well done for making sure your baby had milk. Wish someone would knock on my door like that.

You’d probably care if it was your shop people were stealing from.

Noseybookworm · 26/06/2024 20:07

She's right. You're wrong. It's a criminal offence to handle stolen goods. Also, you are very probably funding his drug habit. I don't know why you would feel ok about this.

Fingeronthebutton · 26/06/2024 20:04

I thought you were having a laugh with your OP.
Now you have confirmed that you are having a laugh. Nobody on a low budget buys scent balls.
Youve made yourself look stupid.

Screamingabdabz · 26/06/2024 20:03

EalingLucy · 26/06/2024 19:34

Those scent balls are completely unnecessary and bad for your baby’s health.

They’re bad for the environment too. Nobody needs them. Or fabric conditioner. They are acrid and if people washed and dried their clothes properly they would be clean and smell clean. No need for these weird non-products with their vile fake odours.