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AIBU to “steal” this?

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AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 20:43

Hello everyone I just want your opinions on this as today I’ve been in a heated argument with my friend as to wether I am unreasonable or not.

I am off work on maternity leave so the funds are tight at minute. There is a man who lives near me I believe he is drug user, he sells half price stuff and also takes orders on what you want for half price. He knocks on my house about 1 or 2 times a week with a bag of half price goods. I always buy washing detergent and softeners from him because you can get a whole weeks laundry of the nice brands for around £10. Money is tight as I have just had a baby and I have 2 other children with my husband also. i also sometimes get baby milk formula from him if I’m running low because it’s cheap.

I feel like this is not wrong because if I didn’t buy it other people would. Even if no one bought it he would steal it anyway in hopes someone would buy it eventually.

Today my friend was at my house when he came so I offered her to have a look what he had. She immediately asked him where he got this stuff from and he replied “shop”. She didn’t say much after but when I finished buying my items she started shouting about how I’m funding his drugs addiction and I shouldn’t support it because I am now stealing too. I told her to relax it’s fine it’s only a couple of items. She didn’t say much and finished her coffee and left quick.

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

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Lyraloo · 27/06/2024 13:57

Jewel52 · 27/06/2024 08:49

So you’re good with druggies stealing from supermarkets but presumably not so happy if they decided to burgle your house? Because they’re not Robin Hood undermining the inequities of society on your behalf, they’ll nick anything to put money into the pockets of organised criminals who are responsible for major frauds and ltrafficking people as well as drugs.

So true, one day she will open the door and he’ll see something he fancies in her house, before she knows it he or his mates will be back and they won’t care who they hurt in the process. Will Serve her right!

Lyraloo · 27/06/2024 13:54

OneTC · 27/06/2024 13:11

Amongst the hundreds of thieves I've dealt with over the years I could count the one's stealing because they're hungry on one hand. Biggest group doing it are addicts funding their drugs or booze. We get very few obviously homeless shoplifters and most of our most prolific frequent flyers live on the estate opposite. They nick in order of preference: laundry stuff, all the meat, booze. We keep all the laundry stuff behind the till now.

The people we have caught stealing because they're hungry we give them food, but they nick sandwiches or a tin of something, not laundry pods etc.

Part of the profits of our business go to local causes and we support a homeless charity and a local youth outreach thing, we've been contributing to, and encouraging donations to food banks since they were an unofficial thing run by local anarchists.

People like OP are why businesses like ours get robbed. Some matey doesn't see a difference between Tesco and us, they just see someone who's got more than they have (which is OP as well) as an opportunity to exploit. I don't see how people think that's reasonable, or understandable.

If OP and her kids, having exhausted any reasonable alternative, were genuinely hungry then I fully understand nicking stuff, I really do. I would sooner steal than starve, I would sooner steal than see a dependant starve, but this is not that. This is someone buying expensive products because money is tight "right now"

Right now implies not in perpetuity. OP just doesn't want to give up her full wage expectations whilst on maternity leave. Normal people would do without the luxuries "right now"

The question in the op is am I bad person(?) and yes OP is a bad person and so are all the pp who say it's okay. You steal from people, you fund organised crime, you fund drug addiction and exploitation, you steal money from charities and food from food banks. Fine you're not murderers but you collectively blight the lives of everyone and generally help make the world a shittier place for everyone. So yeah, bad is a generous assessment

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Very well said, it’s sickening the amount of people that think it’s ok!

pollymere · 27/06/2024 13:47

You are probably causing some poor independent shop owner sleepless nights because he's losing stock from his shop. Even if it's Sainsbury's, they have to put prices up to cover thefts so morally you're affecting everyone.

I spend £5-7 on Persil which does about 60 washes. I use half the recommended amount so it lasts ages. I don't know if I get 120 washes out of it!

Don't support a drug habit. Or a thief. Morally, getting him arrested might mean he gets clean and receives training to get a proper legitimate job.

HumanRightsAreHumanRights · 27/06/2024 13:39

The answer to any question that begins AIBU to steal is YES, you are utterly unreasonable scum.

You are exactly the same as the drug addict you support, and when he can't get into the shops so easily because every single security guard recognises him, he'll be round your house lifting your tv, or your kids PlayStation or whatever else he can sell quickly to one of your kind because there are plenty more scum like you who think they are entitled to what they want rather than what they need.

You are bringing your children up to be scum too, who think it's fine to steal if it gets them what they want so if you want to know what the dregs of society look like, just look in the mirror or at any family photos you may have lying around.

The more people like you in the world OP, the worse the world gets.

No matter how many chemicals you pour on your clothes to drown out the scent of thief, you still stink because you are rotten to the core.

OneTC · 27/06/2024 13:11

Amongst the hundreds of thieves I've dealt with over the years I could count the one's stealing because they're hungry on one hand. Biggest group doing it are addicts funding their drugs or booze. We get very few obviously homeless shoplifters and most of our most prolific frequent flyers live on the estate opposite. They nick in order of preference: laundry stuff, all the meat, booze. We keep all the laundry stuff behind the till now.

The people we have caught stealing because they're hungry we give them food, but they nick sandwiches or a tin of something, not laundry pods etc.

Part of the profits of our business go to local causes and we support a homeless charity and a local youth outreach thing, we've been contributing to, and encouraging donations to food banks since they were an unofficial thing run by local anarchists.

People like OP are why businesses like ours get robbed. Some matey doesn't see a difference between Tesco and us, they just see someone who's got more than they have (which is OP as well) as an opportunity to exploit. I don't see how people think that's reasonable, or understandable.

If OP and her kids, having exhausted any reasonable alternative, were genuinely hungry then I fully understand nicking stuff, I really do. I would sooner steal than starve, I would sooner steal than see a dependant starve, but this is not that. This is someone buying expensive products because money is tight "right now"

Right now implies not in perpetuity. OP just doesn't want to give up her full wage expectations whilst on maternity leave. Normal people would do without the luxuries "right now"

The question in the op is am I bad person(?) and yes OP is a bad person and so are all the pp who say it's okay. You steal from people, you fund organised crime, you fund drug addiction and exploitation, you steal money from charities and food from food banks. Fine you're not murderers but you collectively blight the lives of everyone and generally help make the world a shittier place for everyone. So yeah, bad is a generous assessment

BebbanburgIsMine · 27/06/2024 12:49

@dubberrucky

I know what true poverty is.

I've sat in a freezing cold house, and no hot water, this was the case for years, not just a day or two.

Gone without food many a time so my DC could eat. Gone without electricity sometimes as well. There was wallpaper peeling off, and if anything broke, what to do? No money to save for a replacement, not even second hand. I've washed clothes in a bath full of cold water, and where do you dry things if it's raining? The house was damp and in a terrible condition.

Thankfully things have improved for us, and DD2 and me are in a new house now, and receiving proper benefits.

Even with all that, I did not, and never did consider stealing anything. I would never, no matter how bad my situation was.

Inkyblue123 · 27/06/2024 12:41

If your going to steal, do it yourself

Ialwaystry · 27/06/2024 12:35

RecklessGoddess · 27/06/2024 02:40

I definitely don't blame you for buying the baby milk, the government needs to do something about the extortionate prices, that are charged for it. It's not a luxury it's a necessity for babies to live, not every mother is able to breastfeed!!!

I agree with this

BrightYellowDaffodil · 27/06/2024 11:47

Misthios · 25/06/2024 07:59

The £10 a week is on laundry pods, softener , stain remover and laundry scent balls from persil or lenor. The balls alone are £8 in Asda

All the people bleating about how unfortunate it is that "poor people" can't afford to feed their children and wash their clothes and therefore have to buy stolen goods instead. Boo hoo. Fucking LAUNDRY SCENT BALLS are not and have never been one of life's essentials. They are a pointless marketing gimmick, a luxury. OP is buying her luxuries, stolen, from the local junkie just in the same way that people buy watches or top-end mobile phones or designer clothing.

Disgusting behaviour, no justification whatsoever.

Absolutely.

I suspect @AmiABadPersonn is the sort of person who a) can't distinguish between "want" and "need", b) thinks they're entitled to whatever they want, and c) couldn't budget in a month of Sundays so wastes what little money they have on bloody "scent balls".

In answer to your username, OP, yes you are. You're no better than the thieves and if you think this is a victimless crime then that's even fucking worse.

Quirkyme · 27/06/2024 10:52

Guess you won't be hearing from that friend again 🤣

CaptainMyCaptain · 27/06/2024 10:51

Jewel52 · 27/06/2024 08:30

Why are people on here so weirdly focused on her laundry habits????

Because she's buying stolen goods. She thinks she's getting it cheaply but actually she's spending more than necessary. Its not weird.

bubmut · 27/06/2024 10:40

To be honest, are you not worried that the baby milk formula could have been tampered with? It's a risk

inamarina · 27/06/2024 09:26

Jewel52 · 27/06/2024 08:30

Why are people on here so weirdly focused on her laundry habits????

Because OP claims that money is tight, hence the need to buy stolen goods, yet she chooses to overspend on unnecessary laundry products.
Have you never seen posts on MN telling OP to size down/ move to a cheaper area if money is tight?
At least switching to a cheaper washing powder is easier than moving house 🤷‍♀️

Jewel52 · 27/06/2024 08:49

Simpsonsfan · 24/06/2024 21:57

No I don't. Especially from big supermarkets, it's not like they're not making millions. Explain to me what your issue is.

So you’re good with druggies stealing from supermarkets but presumably not so happy if they decided to burgle your house? Because they’re not Robin Hood undermining the inequities of society on your behalf, they’ll nick anything to put money into the pockets of organised criminals who are responsible for major frauds and ltrafficking people as well as drugs.

Grammarnut · 27/06/2024 08:47

Rosscameasdoody · 26/06/2024 20:46

Never been on the bones of your arse have you ? Not condoning what OP is doing but it’s understandable that she’s doing whatever she needs to to take care of here family/

Agree in general. Anyone who thinks people do not have to scrimp and save to feed their family in the UK today is living in cloud cuckoo land. Many families are in this situation. Many are struggling. Meanwhile energy companies make outrageous profits, are seen profiteering! Were the price of energy to have gone up only by the price of the sources, the energy companies would not be making greater profits, just the same per centage. This is globalisation and the lack of control by governments over big business. And we all suffer.
And a lot of people on here have never been 'on the bones of their arse' - they simply have no idea.

Bowies · 27/06/2024 08:31

RecklessGoddess · 27/06/2024 02:40

I definitely don't blame you for buying the baby milk, the government needs to do something about the extortionate prices, that are charged for it. It's not a luxury it's a necessity for babies to live, not every mother is able to breastfeed!!!

I posted a link above your post to free FF for low income families

Jewel52 · 27/06/2024 08:30

malachitegreen · 24/06/2024 20:51

why on earth do you need to spend £10 on washing?

Why are people on here so weirdly focused on her laundry habits????

labamba007 · 27/06/2024 08:24

£10 for a week of laundry 🤣 not only are you breaking the law you're getting ripped off. Well done 🤣

llamajohn · 27/06/2024 06:46

RecklessGoddess · 27/06/2024 02:40

I definitely don't blame you for buying the baby milk, the government needs to do something about the extortionate prices, that are charged for it. It's not a luxury it's a necessity for babies to live, not every mother is able to breastfeed!!!

If she wasn't spending £40+ on crap for laundry and goodness knows what else, she'd have plenty of money for an £8-£13 tin of milk 🤷‍♀️

And if she's that hard up, she's going to be able to get milk/fruit vouchers.

There really no need to purchase stolen goods.

Pearshaped20 · 27/06/2024 05:43

Of course it's wrong. You're funding his drug habit but also who do you think pays for all this shoplifting? People like me. You say you can't afford baby milk but you are 'choosing' to spend £10 week on laundry 'essentials'. I don't spend £10 month. Cut back on those and prioritise your child's welfare. I for one wouldn't want to have drug dealers knocking on my door.

RecklessGoddess · 27/06/2024 02:40

I definitely don't blame you for buying the baby milk, the government needs to do something about the extortionate prices, that are charged for it. It's not a luxury it's a necessity for babies to live, not every mother is able to breastfeed!!!

Bowies · 27/06/2024 01:01

This is a bit shit all around, I can’t believe all the ways you are trying to justify it to yourself. Your friend is right to have the ick.

If you are on a low income and you FF you can get help.

This is a risky situation to bring your baby into,

GrannyRose15 · 27/06/2024 00:41

I wouldn’t be buying baby milk from a dodgy source under any circumstances.

Lyraloo · 27/06/2024 00:29

Rosscameasdoody · 26/06/2024 20:46

Never been on the bones of your arse have you ? Not condoning what OP is doing but it’s understandable that she’s doing whatever she needs to to take care of here family/

What utter rubbish, she doesn’t need fancy washing products to feed her family. She clearly is ‘ not on the bones of her arse’ as you so eloquently put it! She just another greedy, self entitled thief!