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AIBU to “steal” this?

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AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 20:43

Hello everyone I just want your opinions on this as today I’ve been in a heated argument with my friend as to wether I am unreasonable or not.

I am off work on maternity leave so the funds are tight at minute. There is a man who lives near me I believe he is drug user, he sells half price stuff and also takes orders on what you want for half price. He knocks on my house about 1 or 2 times a week with a bag of half price goods. I always buy washing detergent and softeners from him because you can get a whole weeks laundry of the nice brands for around £10. Money is tight as I have just had a baby and I have 2 other children with my husband also. i also sometimes get baby milk formula from him if I’m running low because it’s cheap.

I feel like this is not wrong because if I didn’t buy it other people would. Even if no one bought it he would steal it anyway in hopes someone would buy it eventually.

Today my friend was at my house when he came so I offered her to have a look what he had. She immediately asked him where he got this stuff from and he replied “shop”. She didn’t say much after but when I finished buying my items she started shouting about how I’m funding his drugs addiction and I shouldn’t support it because I am now stealing too. I told her to relax it’s fine it’s only a couple of items. She didn’t say much and finished her coffee and left quick.

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

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RampantIvy · 28/06/2024 14:00

I wouldn’t say you’re unreasonable as you are trying to save money

If she was really trying to save money she wouldn't be buying all the unnecessary crap to do her laundry. She would be buying cheap biological washing powder from Aldi.

Tessabelle74 · 28/06/2024 11:33

If you can't afford to be on maternity leave, you should probably have been more careful with your contraception. And your friend is right, you're part of the reason things are so expensive as we're funding the losses the shops encounter from scum like this! You know it's wrong, you just choose to justify it to yourself

KiriG · 28/06/2024 10:53

I wouldn’t say you’re unreasonable as you are trying to save money but definitely that’s morally wrong. Never mind illegal with the stolen goods but you shouldn’t enable addiction.

Have you tried joining a food club or something like it? I get about £30 of food and also laundry liquid/washing up liquid for £4 a week. May be worth looking into.

Mammajay · 28/06/2024 09:49

Jeez you might as well go down to the poor local shops and nick it yourself. No you should not buy it.

Garlicnaan · 28/06/2024 00:01

AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 23:57

I don’t think I said this before but other users are saying if I don’t buy from him he won’t steal, but he will there’s weeks were I don’t buy stuff he still has a bag full the next time. The £10 a week is on laundry pods, softener , stain remover and laundry scent balls from persil or lenor. The balls alone are £8 in Asda. As for the baby milk it’s always sealed so I know he hasn’t contaminated it and I know others locally that buy from him too.

If you're tight on cash, why are you buying scent balls, laundry pods and softener?!

We only ever buy liquid or powder and it's about £5 for a massive box. Buy that and you won't need to commit a crime.

Jadebanditchillipepper · 27/06/2024 23:51

You ban buy a 1.8l bottle of laundry detergent that is enough for 30 washes from Aldi. Unless you are doing more than 90 loads of washing a week, then you don't need to be buying stolen goods.

Baby formula is obviously a bit different, but they can have cow's milk from 12 months and I'm pretty sure if you're on a low income, you can get milk/food tokens from your health visitor

MarlaSingersMiddleFinger · 27/06/2024 23:36

@AmiABadPersonn not sure if it's been said and if it has its not been said enough, but handling stolen goods is a crime and you can easily end up in prison for it. You are the reason he steals and you are funding his drug addiction and part of the cost of living issues while also funding organised crime gangs who sell the drugs. So yes you are being unreasonable and you are the problem with society

gruberandassocs · 27/06/2024 21:45

op you are utterly devoid of morality and your justification in supporting crime and increased prices for everyone is sickening. Knowingly receiving stolen goods is the act of absolutely scum.

ConfusingTrousers · 27/06/2024 20:17

The law =/= morality.

Santina · 27/06/2024 19:30

Did you know the sentence for receiving stollen goods is higher than selling them?

llamajohn · 27/06/2024 17:28

LelyKelly23 · 27/06/2024 14:26

I grew up in an especially deprived area in the north east on a council estate - this used to be pretty common. OP, it definitely doesn't make you a bad person to buy from him. We were on the bones of our arse growing up, so we used to look forward to them coming round some brought blocks of cheese/joints of meat and others brought toiletries/make-up. It was normal practice living on the breadline. Assuming they are all drug addicts isn't fair really, most we had regularly were just trying to get a bit of money and get by. If you've never had to live around this, then lucky you.

If it's to save money in this crazy cost of living crisis we're going through, then power to you I say.

and just to add to this - I definitely did not grow up thinking it is 'okay to steal' and I'm not a scumbag with no morals, nor are my family.

People going through hard times, who suffer with addiction or those who grow up in poverty aren't all nasty, evil, people or hardened criminals that grow up to be a stain on the world! (Shocker, I know!)

The privilege and judgement in this thread is gross.

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We grew up poor and underprivileged... Dad worked 2 jobs, mum worked and they went without meals to feed their 3 kids.
Had only second hand clothes that were donated and then passed down through all kids etc.
Mum would unravel old jumpers and knit new clothes for us.
They never once stole, or bought stolen goods.

llamajohn · 27/06/2024 16:56

HoldTightandPretenditsaPlan · 27/06/2024 15:18

Absolutely this 👏

Well, yes, but this isn't the case for OP ... She can easily afford baby milk.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 27/06/2024 16:52

LelyKelly23 · 27/06/2024 14:26

I grew up in an especially deprived area in the north east on a council estate - this used to be pretty common. OP, it definitely doesn't make you a bad person to buy from him. We were on the bones of our arse growing up, so we used to look forward to them coming round some brought blocks of cheese/joints of meat and others brought toiletries/make-up. It was normal practice living on the breadline. Assuming they are all drug addicts isn't fair really, most we had regularly were just trying to get a bit of money and get by. If you've never had to live around this, then lucky you.

If it's to save money in this crazy cost of living crisis we're going through, then power to you I say.

and just to add to this - I definitely did not grow up thinking it is 'okay to steal' and I'm not a scumbag with no morals, nor are my family.

People going through hard times, who suffer with addiction or those who grow up in poverty aren't all nasty, evil, people or hardened criminals that grow up to be a stain on the world! (Shocker, I know!)

The privilege and judgement in this thread is gross.

Edited

It's still not OK to buy stolen goods - if you can't afford joints of meat, blocks of cheese or make-up then you don't just have them. I've been skint in the past, I didn't go and help myself from a shop (or get someone to do it for me, in effect) because I couldn't afford things any more.

If you genuinely think "all power to you" to someone who thinks their need for laundry balls or to save money makes it OK to buy stolen goods and is therefore supporting shop workers being threatened and assaulted, prices going up for everyone and the world generally being made a worse place, then I'd disagree with the statement that you're not "a scumbag with no morals".

It's nothing to do with privilege and everything to do with being a decent person.

RampantIvy · 27/06/2024 16:37

HoldTightandPretenditsaPlan · 27/06/2024 15:18

Absolutely this 👏

Re-read the OP.

She isn't on the bones of her arse. She is buying expensive brands of completely unnecessary additional laundry extras. If she stuck to cheap, own brand washing powder from Aldi she would have loads more to spend on food.

And shop lifting is never victimless.

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 16:04

HoldTightandPretenditsaPlan · 27/06/2024 15:18

Absolutely this 👏

But that is not OP's position, given that she's spending money on expensive and totally unnecessary laundry scent pods.

inamarina · 27/06/2024 15:54

Respectisnotoptional · 27/06/2024 14:38

So @LelyKelly23 if someone burgles your house and takes your possessions you’ll be fine about it? It beggars believe that you can be so casual about stealing.
‘If it's to save money in this crazy cost of living crisis we're going through, then power to you I say’
You epitomise everything that is bad about this country, you are a part of the low life that have no moral compass. You will no doubt raise children who think it’s fine to steal and live off benefits provided by hard working people.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

I agree. How can someone describe what that guy is doing as some sort of legitimate business model?
Just a couple of posts further up an actual shop owner explained what impact such behaviour has on businesses, but some people just don’t care.

inamarina · 27/06/2024 15:19

RampantIvy · 27/06/2024 14:36

Re-read the OP.
She isn't on the bones of her arse. She is buying expensive brands of completely unnecessary additional laundry extras. If she stuck to cheap, own brand washing powder from Aldi she would have loads more to spend on food.

She isn't on the bones of her arse.

True, but some posters on here just flat out refuse to see that.

HoldTightandPretenditsaPlan · 27/06/2024 15:18

Fishcake15 · 24/06/2024 20:46

Moral compass goes out of the window when you need and can't afford baby milk.

Absolutely this 👏

LelyKelly23 · 27/06/2024 15:14

Respectisnotoptional · 27/06/2024 14:38

So @LelyKelly23 if someone burgles your house and takes your possessions you’ll be fine about it? It beggars believe that you can be so casual about stealing.
‘If it's to save money in this crazy cost of living crisis we're going through, then power to you I say’
You epitomise everything that is bad about this country, you are a part of the low life that have no moral compass. You will no doubt raise children who think it’s fine to steal and live off benefits provided by hard working people.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

Hahaha, it's absolutely not the same. I'm not even going to entertain you with a thought out response. You carry on living in your ignorant little world. Maybe step out into the real world someday.

RampantIvy · 27/06/2024 14:43

The number of scroats on this thread who think the OP isn't being unreasonable beggars belief.

Fortunately, the majority of us have some kind of moral compass.

Respectisnotoptional · 27/06/2024 14:38

So @LelyKelly23 if someone burgles your house and takes your possessions you’ll be fine about it? It beggars believe that you can be so casual about stealing.
‘If it's to save money in this crazy cost of living crisis we're going through, then power to you I say’
You epitomise everything that is bad about this country, you are a part of the low life that have no moral compass. You will no doubt raise children who think it’s fine to steal and live off benefits provided by hard working people.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

RampantIvy · 27/06/2024 14:36

LelyKelly23 · 27/06/2024 14:26

I grew up in an especially deprived area in the north east on a council estate - this used to be pretty common. OP, it definitely doesn't make you a bad person to buy from him. We were on the bones of our arse growing up, so we used to look forward to them coming round some brought blocks of cheese/joints of meat and others brought toiletries/make-up. It was normal practice living on the breadline. Assuming they are all drug addicts isn't fair really, most we had regularly were just trying to get a bit of money and get by. If you've never had to live around this, then lucky you.

If it's to save money in this crazy cost of living crisis we're going through, then power to you I say.

and just to add to this - I definitely did not grow up thinking it is 'okay to steal' and I'm not a scumbag with no morals, nor are my family.

People going through hard times, who suffer with addiction or those who grow up in poverty aren't all nasty, evil, people or hardened criminals that grow up to be a stain on the world! (Shocker, I know!)

The privilege and judgement in this thread is gross.

Edited

Re-read the OP.
She isn't on the bones of her arse. She is buying expensive brands of completely unnecessary additional laundry extras. If she stuck to cheap, own brand washing powder from Aldi she would have loads more to spend on food.

LelyKelly23 · 27/06/2024 14:26

I grew up in an especially deprived area in the north east on a council estate - this used to be pretty common. OP, it definitely doesn't make you a bad person to buy from him. We were on the bones of our arse growing up, so we used to look forward to them coming round some brought blocks of cheese/joints of meat and others brought toiletries/make-up. It was normal practice living on the breadline. Assuming they are all drug addicts isn't fair really, most we had regularly were just trying to get a bit of money and get by. If you've never had to live around this, then lucky you.

If it's to save money in this crazy cost of living crisis we're going through, then power to you I say.

and just to add to this - I definitely did not grow up thinking it is 'okay to steal' and I'm not a scumbag with no morals, nor are my family.

People going through hard times, who suffer with addiction or those who grow up in poverty aren't all nasty, evil, people or hardened criminals that grow up to be a stain on the world! (Shocker, I know!)

The privilege and judgement in this thread is gross.

CaptainMyCaptain · 27/06/2024 14:05

jobling · 27/06/2024 13:59

I fat fingered my phone and it voted you’re reasonable,
I don’t agree with my finger at all.

If you try again and click the choice you actually want it will change. You get more than one go.

jobling · 27/06/2024 13:59

I fat fingered my phone and it voted you’re reasonable,
I don’t agree with my finger at all.