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AIBU to “steal” this?

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AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 20:43

Hello everyone I just want your opinions on this as today I’ve been in a heated argument with my friend as to wether I am unreasonable or not.

I am off work on maternity leave so the funds are tight at minute. There is a man who lives near me I believe he is drug user, he sells half price stuff and also takes orders on what you want for half price. He knocks on my house about 1 or 2 times a week with a bag of half price goods. I always buy washing detergent and softeners from him because you can get a whole weeks laundry of the nice brands for around £10. Money is tight as I have just had a baby and I have 2 other children with my husband also. i also sometimes get baby milk formula from him if I’m running low because it’s cheap.

I feel like this is not wrong because if I didn’t buy it other people would. Even if no one bought it he would steal it anyway in hopes someone would buy it eventually.

Today my friend was at my house when he came so I offered her to have a look what he had. She immediately asked him where he got this stuff from and he replied “shop”. She didn’t say much after but when I finished buying my items she started shouting about how I’m funding his drugs addiction and I shouldn’t support it because I am now stealing too. I told her to relax it’s fine it’s only a couple of items. She didn’t say much and finished her coffee and left quick.

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

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Runnerinthenight · 30/06/2024 22:02

llamajohn · 30/06/2024 20:09

Mmmhmmm why's that then?

She could. She chose not to. Plenty of people were dirt poor and not all of them stooped so low!

Runnerinthenight · 30/06/2024 22:01

boredm · 30/06/2024 19:54

Tesco isn't a person though

What difference does that make? A thief is just a thief, and justifying theft is reprehensible.

Tesco isn't a person but I am, and I shop there sometimes. All the dirty horrible thieves are putting up the prices that I am then forced to pay. You might as well come and steal from my handbag!

RampantIvy · 30/06/2024 21:56

Tesco isn't a person though

And?

llamajohn · 30/06/2024 20:09

NothingVenturedAndAllThat · 30/06/2024 19:57

My mum couldn't have fed and clothed us if not for the local shoplifters.

Mmmhmmm why's that then?

NothingVenturedAndAllThat · 30/06/2024 19:57

My mum couldn't have fed and clothed us if not for the local shoplifters.

boredm · 30/06/2024 19:54

Overthehillbutnotveryfar · 30/06/2024 14:55

Some of the justifications here are crazy ‘it’s ok to steal from Tesco but not the corner shop “ so it follows that it’s ok to steal from a wealthy person but not a poor one …. or to pocket a purse that has been lost . If you can’t afford it don’t buy it but don’t steal. Don’t buy goods that you know have been stolen. Do you understand right and wrong ? What are you teaching your kids ? That it’s ok to have a meal in a smart restaurant and then leave without paying but not in the local cafe ? Slippery moral slope you are on. I’d run a mile if you were my ‘friend ‘

Tesco isn't a person though

Overthehillbutnotveryfar · 30/06/2024 14:55

Some of the justifications here are crazy ‘it’s ok to steal from Tesco but not the corner shop “ so it follows that it’s ok to steal from a wealthy person but not a poor one …. or to pocket a purse that has been lost . If you can’t afford it don’t buy it but don’t steal. Don’t buy goods that you know have been stolen. Do you understand right and wrong ? What are you teaching your kids ? That it’s ok to have a meal in a smart restaurant and then leave without paying but not in the local cafe ? Slippery moral slope you are on. I’d run a mile if you were my ‘friend ‘

Scruffily · 30/06/2024 13:05

She can afford what's in store perfectly well if she avoids totally unnecessary expensive purchases like laundry scent pods.

jsterr1 · 30/06/2024 13:01

not really. she is buying stolen good because she cant afford what is in the store. I stand by my statement.

CaptainMyCaptain · 30/06/2024 10:59

jsterr1 · 29/06/2024 23:58

Nice justification. Condoms are less expensive than a baby, so if she can't afford a baby, why'd she have one? Sounds pretty reckless and irresponsible to me. Also quite selfish. Although I'm aware the contraception does fail, it's the exception, not the rule. Based on this post, I'd but put my money on childish stupidity.

It's harsh to berate someone about contraception for a baby which now exists and I don't think the OP is genuinely 'on the bones of her arse' as a pp put it anyway. She just wants unnecessary branded goods cheaply and is prepared to buy goods she knows to be stolen and that is a criminal offence.

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jsterr1 · 29/06/2024 23:58

Fishcake15 · 24/06/2024 20:46

Moral compass goes out of the window when you need and can't afford baby milk.

Nice justification. Condoms are less expensive than a baby, so if she can't afford a baby, why'd she have one? Sounds pretty reckless and irresponsible to me. Also quite selfish. Although I'm aware the contraception does fail, it's the exception, not the rule. Based on this post, I'd but put my money on childish stupidity.

Laurmolonlabe · 29/06/2024 23:19

No, it's not theft , it's receiving stolen goods- they are not the same offence. I did not say it was legal. Technically the maximum sentence for receiving is 14 years, whereas for theft it is 7 years, however sentencing mostly hangs on the value of the goods and if you have prior convictions. So realistically the OP is unlikely to suffer much from being on the wrong side of the law, which is why I was trying to emphasise the moral angle.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 29/06/2024 23:11

WhoGivesaSpit · 29/06/2024 19:32

oh it's a MN classic:
OP - "Am I being unreasonable?"
Everyone - "Yes. Yes you are."
OP - "No, I'm NOT"

honestly why bother coming on here?

I suspect OP knows her actions are unacceptable but was hoping everyone would say, “Of course it’s OK babes, you need those laundry balls! Look after No 1 hun xx”

Lyraloo · 29/06/2024 22:49

Laurmolonlabe · 29/06/2024 18:46

You are not stealing, but it is still morally wrong-you are fuelling someone's drug addiction to save a couple of quid, would you be happy telling the child you are carrying you did this?

I think the law would beg to differ, buying stolen goods is often more harshly punished than the actual crime in the shop. Theft is theft, when you knowing buy stolen goods, you are stealing!

Marieb19 · 29/06/2024 20:25

You are knowingly receiving stolen goods. No excuse.

Coco1379 · 29/06/2024 19:32

You could be receiving stolen goods - which is a criminal offence. It will cost you far more in the long run if you are caught: what would happen to your children; the cost of insurance if you could find an insurer; being banned from certain occupations.

WhoGivesaSpit · 29/06/2024 19:32

oh it's a MN classic:
OP - "Am I being unreasonable?"
Everyone - "Yes. Yes you are."
OP - "No, I'm NOT"

honestly why bother coming on here?

boredm · 29/06/2024 19:29

Thanks to this thread I've decided to try unbranded laundry detergent at £7 per month

Anonymousmummmy · 29/06/2024 19:28

You’re totally in the wrong and it’s kind of crazy you even have to ask the question🫤 Not the kind of thing I’d want to teach my kids is okay morally. And how are you spending £10 per week on laundry?! I think I must £10 every 6 MONTHS on detergent/fabric conditioner/whitener.

Inspectorlemon · 29/06/2024 19:23

I’ve bought stuff off someone in the pub. But regretted it when I’ve thought about it. No way would I want anyone coming to my house.

Laurmolonlabe · 29/06/2024 18:46

You are not stealing, but it is still morally wrong-you are fuelling someone's drug addiction to save a couple of quid, would you be happy telling the child you are carrying you did this?

ToStayOrNotToStay · 29/06/2024 18:46

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/section/22

I’m just going to leave this here!

🤦🏼‍♀️ what is wrong with people!? You know he is nicking from shops to fuel a drug habit. You are being incredibly selfish too, whilst in the mean time every other law abiding citizen has to pay out for your gains with prices rising, not just though shoplifting but it’s certainly not helping!!!

Theft Act 1968

An Act to revise the law of England and Wales as to theft and similar or associated offences, and in connection therewith to make provision as to criminal proceedings by one party to a marriage against the other, and to make certain amendments extendin...

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/section/22

FailingMum81 · 29/06/2024 17:59

Anyone in this thread who has claimed shop theft is a victimless crime really needs to read up on it more. How do you think large stores recoup money for stolen items? By ever inceasing the cost to us normal folk who have to buy our goods from there everyday. Whether you agree with the profit margins of supermarkets or not, its the consumer who gets hit in the pocket :(

RampantIvy · 28/06/2024 14:22

I subscribe to Which? And get regular emails from them. Today’s email is all about washing detergents.

  1. Liquid and gel detergents – keep colours bright, but not always great at keeping whites pristine.
  2. Capsule detergents – great for speed and convenience but can struggle with heavily soiled clothes.
  3. Powder detergents – great for extra-bright whites and heavily soiled items but tend to fade coloured fabrics.

Laundry Liquid
Aldi Almat Super Concentrated Laundry Liquid Non-Bio was the cheapest laundry liquid at 8p per wash. It does 60 washes per bottle.
Method Concentrated Laundry Detergent was the best at removing stains but cost 26p per wash, with 39 washes per bottle.

Washing Powder
Aldi Almat Bio for Brilliant Whites costs 9p per wash with 40 washes in a 2kg box
Ecover Bio washing powder was the best at stain removal but cost a whopping 48p per wash

Capsules
Laundry capsules cost more than laundry liquid or washing powder, the cheapest costing 16p per wash.

Say the OP does 3 washes a day, she would get nearly three weeks’ worth of washing from a bottle of the Almat laundry liquid, costing £3.99 a bottle.

So why is she spending £10 a week on laundry stuff, or does this include the cost of formula?

BTW the Healthy Start Scheme enables low income families to be eligible for vouchers for milk and healthy foods.