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AIBU to “steal” this?

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AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 20:43

Hello everyone I just want your opinions on this as today I’ve been in a heated argument with my friend as to wether I am unreasonable or not.

I am off work on maternity leave so the funds are tight at minute. There is a man who lives near me I believe he is drug user, he sells half price stuff and also takes orders on what you want for half price. He knocks on my house about 1 or 2 times a week with a bag of half price goods. I always buy washing detergent and softeners from him because you can get a whole weeks laundry of the nice brands for around £10. Money is tight as I have just had a baby and I have 2 other children with my husband also. i also sometimes get baby milk formula from him if I’m running low because it’s cheap.

I feel like this is not wrong because if I didn’t buy it other people would. Even if no one bought it he would steal it anyway in hopes someone would buy it eventually.

Today my friend was at my house when he came so I offered her to have a look what he had. She immediately asked him where he got this stuff from and he replied “shop”. She didn’t say much after but when I finished buying my items she started shouting about how I’m funding his drugs addiction and I shouldn’t support it because I am now stealing too. I told her to relax it’s fine it’s only a couple of items. She didn’t say much and finished her coffee and left quick.

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

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krustykittens · 24/06/2024 22:56

LlamaTwirl · 24/06/2024 22:53

I don't think that's necessarily true though, I think even crack heads have some morals, they're just probably not the same as mine and definitely not the same as yours.. pretty sure they wouldn't shit on the op though since she buys their wares ...

I come from a really rough area and let me assure you, addicts who are very far gone, don't care where they get their money from. They might know what they are doing is wrong and they might hate themselves for it, but don't underestimate the lows a desperate junkie will stoop to.

Sweetvalleyhigh1234 · 24/06/2024 22:54

Maybe if money is tight you should consider not having anymore kids. 2nd you're getting conned if you're paying 40 pounds a month on washing and softener products ... 3rd yes you're funding and supporting a drug dealer. Maybe ask him as a last purchase if he has a moral compass you could buy.

LlamaTwirl · 24/06/2024 22:53

krustykittens · 24/06/2024 22:47

You do realise that this guy will have no problem stealing from you, OP, should the opportunity present itself?

I don't think that's necessarily true though, I think even crack heads have some morals, they're just probably not the same as mine and definitely not the same as yours.. pretty sure they wouldn't shit on the op though since she buys their wares ...

Blogswife · 24/06/2024 22:52

Are you seriously asking if you’re unreasonable to knowingly buy stolen goods ?
There are a few on here who will happily justify theft but at the end of the day you must know it’s illegal and therefore wrong ! As you regularly buy from him he will be stealing to order . The fact that It’s a bargain and you’re a bit skint doesn’t justify it

krustykittens · 24/06/2024 22:47

You do realise that this guy will have no problem stealing from you, OP, should the opportunity present itself?

PyongyangKipperbang · 24/06/2024 22:37

LlamaTwirl · 24/06/2024 22:34

Moneys tight, the crack heads have already nicked it, their drug issues are not my problem, me refusing to buy whatever they might be selling is not gonna make em go straight, morals aren't free some are worth the sacrifice (ie not just taking whatever i want from the shop myself) others not so much ..

No but refusing to buy it gets rid of the market so they stop shoplifting as there is no pay off.

The old "Well someone will buy it so why not me" excuse really does not stand up to any sort of moral scrutiny.

Runnerinthenight · 24/06/2024 22:37

LlamaTwirl · 24/06/2024 22:34

Moneys tight, the crack heads have already nicked it, their drug issues are not my problem, me refusing to buy whatever they might be selling is not gonna make em go straight, morals aren't free some are worth the sacrifice (ie not just taking whatever i want from the shop myself) others not so much ..

Not necessarily - the OP said they steal to order! I wouldn't want their drug issues to become my problem by welcoming this man to my home either twice a week! If people like the OP weren't buying their ill-gotten gains, there would be less of a market.

What a load of twisted crap to justify theft!

smellsfishy · 24/06/2024 22:37

YABU. Really you should steal your own stuff or get your DH to pop to the shops so you aren't supporting a drug user. It would be cheaper as well. Win win.

LlamaTwirl · 24/06/2024 22:34

Runnerinthenight · 24/06/2024 21:53

Why would you, if you know it's morally wrong?

Moneys tight, the crack heads have already nicked it, their drug issues are not my problem, me refusing to buy whatever they might be selling is not gonna make em go straight, morals aren't free some are worth the sacrifice (ie not just taking whatever i want from the shop myself) others not so much ..

PyongyangKipperbang · 24/06/2024 22:33

OperationGoldDawn · 24/06/2024 22:21

i dont advocate stealing but i can understand why people think differently when its survival

Massive difference between a poverty hit mother stealing milk and nappies because she literally has no money to pay for them, and a scum bag junkie stealing them to sell to scumbags like the OP to pay for drugs. Would I turn a blind eye to a woman I was confident was stealing out of genuine desperation? Probably.

KenAdams · 24/06/2024 22:32

Surprise surprise OP hasn't been back.

If you do decide to come back OP I'd suggest looking at your outgoings, starting with your £40pm laundry product bill.

Runnerinthenight · 24/06/2024 22:29

PyongyangKipperbang · 24/06/2024 22:27

No he fucking isnt a Robin Hood!
He isnt stealing from the rich to give to the poor. He is stealing from the honest (and often poor) to give to the scumbags. The supermarkets dont take the hit, they put their prices up to cover their losses, so its you and me and others who take the hit.

I once saw a clearly struggling young mum counting her change to see if she could afford her shopping, and her kid was asking for chocolate which was clearly not affordable so she "accidentally" dropped it into her buggy basket. She looked so beaten down. I turned a blind eye. I had a guy come in with pence asking what our cheapest thing to eat was and he couldnt afford it so I bought him a meal deal. Totally against the rules. When someone told the area manager he said that he could take disciplinary against me and I said he neednt bother as I would resign first as I wouldnt work for a company who would discipline me for helping someone who needed food, COULD have stolen but didnt and was respectful and polite. He said "Just be more subtle next time".

There is a massive difference between those genuinely in need and those stealing to buy drugs. Look at the thread from the father who is at his wits end with his wife supporting their addict son stealing from them. Read HIS life and then tell me there is no harm.

You're right - he's no Robin Hood! He's just a robbin' bastard!!!

Can't believe how many apologists for criminality there are here!

Geekylover · 24/06/2024 22:29

It’s up to you but I wouldn’t want this person regularly knocking at my door and I would feel bad but stolen goods. If money is tight try the pound shop or Lidl.

User1706 · 24/06/2024 22:28

My wonderful MIL was held up by a drug addict with a knife when she worked as a shop assistant. Thankfully, she was physically unharmed, and the thief just took the goods they wanted. When it went to court, they unsurprisingly turned out to be a persistent thief funding a drug habit.

She was utterly terrified. This was now 20 years ago, and she still has a lot of anxiety. She left her shop job due to anxiety and has since done low paid cleaning roles as she prefers to be in the background. Point being these are not victimless crimes that don't matter. On a much wider scale, I would also be uncomfortable funding the drug industry, which often uses child labour, trafficking and other forced and abusive labour.

PyongyangKipperbang · 24/06/2024 22:27

Sausage1986 · 24/06/2024 22:16

Because not all is as it seems with in society, some things are widely unbalanced and unfair. He’s just like a modern day Robin Hood.. albeit was a crack habit. I care more that people have to resort to this to meet their needs or are trapped in the relentless cycle of poverty. I’d say that’s a pretty decent way to view it, not a sterile black and white/good and bad scenario

No he fucking isnt a Robin Hood!
He isnt stealing from the rich to give to the poor. He is stealing from the honest (and often poor) to give to the scumbags. The supermarkets dont take the hit, they put their prices up to cover their losses, so its you and me and others who take the hit.

I once saw a clearly struggling young mum counting her change to see if she could afford her shopping, and her kid was asking for chocolate which was clearly not affordable so she "accidentally" dropped it into her buggy basket. She looked so beaten down. I turned a blind eye. I had a guy come in with pence asking what our cheapest thing to eat was and he couldnt afford it so I bought him a meal deal. Totally against the rules. When someone told the area manager he said that he could take disciplinary against me and I said he neednt bother as I would resign first as I wouldnt work for a company who would discipline me for helping someone who needed food, COULD have stolen but didnt and was respectful and polite. He said "Just be more subtle next time".

There is a massive difference between those genuinely in need and those stealing to buy drugs. Look at the thread from the father who is at his wits end with his wife supporting their addict son stealing from them. Read HIS life and then tell me there is no harm.

StrawberrySquash · 24/06/2024 22:27

Please can you elaborate on the £10 a week! If a tablet/capsule is 30p and you do 10 washes a week, that's still only £3.

And scent booster maybe 20p a wash. So another £2. Fabric softener maybe 6p a wash. So 60p.

So that's £5.60. Then maybe a stain remover, some of that anti bacterial stuff. A Calgon.

I've just about made it to a tenner!

DuesToTheDirt · 24/06/2024 22:25

OperationGoldDawn · 24/06/2024 22:21

i dont advocate stealing but i can understand why people think differently when its survival

She wants "nice brands" of laundry stuff though...

Runnerinthenight · 24/06/2024 22:24

OperationGoldDawn · 24/06/2024 22:21

i dont advocate stealing but i can understand why people think differently when its survival

Only it's not!

Bayleaftree63 · 24/06/2024 22:24

AffIt · 24/06/2024 20:48

Yes. What you're doing is utterly indefensible.

You're no better than a thief yourself, you just don't have the balls to walk into Sainsbury's and lift it yourself.

This! And, your selfishness is pushing up the price of things like baby formula in the shops, for the rest of us honest folk. Supermarkets pass on their price increases to compensate for shoplifters.

Astrabees · 24/06/2024 22:23

As a former criminal defence solicitor I would confirm that what you are doing is committing the offence of handling stolen goods. courts view handling as more serious than the actual theft as it creates a market for stolen goods.

Mainoo72 · 24/06/2024 22:21

I’d be embarrassed if one of my friends was doing this & I’d react in the same way as your friend. Encouraging a drug addict & thief to regularly call at your home is crazy & asking for trouble.

OperationGoldDawn · 24/06/2024 22:21

Fishcake15 · 24/06/2024 20:46

Moral compass goes out of the window when you need and can't afford baby milk.

i dont advocate stealing but i can understand why people think differently when its survival

DuesToTheDirt · 24/06/2024 22:20

JaniceBattersby · 24/06/2024 21:24

I spend a lot of time in magistrates’ courts covering the cases of persistent shoplifters. They are undoubtedly funding a crack or heroin habit. Not only that, but these people frequently walk into shops, swipe as much as they want off the shelves and terrify the shop assistants. They’ll think nothing of using a knife if needs be, or threatening shop workers. I’ve seen several assistants giving victim personal statements in court saying that they’ve had to leave their jobs and have been left anxious and depressed after such incidents.

Many little shops round here have had to install full time
security guards for their entire opening hours, costing them 60k a year.

I wouldn’t be funding that shit however skint I was.

Very well said.

OP, what kind of society do you want to live in? And what is your part in it?

PossumintheHouse · 24/06/2024 22:20

So what happens when you don't want to buy half price goods from your front door any longer?

whistleblower99 · 24/06/2024 22:19

One post op to 🎣 out all those people who will justify crime because it’s baby formula. Straight out of social media wannabe commentators handbook that.

Let’s just ignore the serious crimes linked to drugs. I can see it worked.