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AIBU to “steal” this?

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AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 20:43

Hello everyone I just want your opinions on this as today I’ve been in a heated argument with my friend as to wether I am unreasonable or not.

I am off work on maternity leave so the funds are tight at minute. There is a man who lives near me I believe he is drug user, he sells half price stuff and also takes orders on what you want for half price. He knocks on my house about 1 or 2 times a week with a bag of half price goods. I always buy washing detergent and softeners from him because you can get a whole weeks laundry of the nice brands for around £10. Money is tight as I have just had a baby and I have 2 other children with my husband also. i also sometimes get baby milk formula from him if I’m running low because it’s cheap.

I feel like this is not wrong because if I didn’t buy it other people would. Even if no one bought it he would steal it anyway in hopes someone would buy it eventually.

Today my friend was at my house when he came so I offered her to have a look what he had. She immediately asked him where he got this stuff from and he replied “shop”. She didn’t say much after but when I finished buying my items she started shouting about how I’m funding his drugs addiction and I shouldn’t support it because I am now stealing too. I told her to relax it’s fine it’s only a couple of items. She didn’t say much and finished her coffee and left quick.

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

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AmiABadPersonn · 25/06/2024 00:02

Sausage1986 · 24/06/2024 22:07

Who actually cares! Assuming the theft is from large supermarkets, so what. They dictate prices and make huge profits. Maternity pay is shit. No one should have to spend £15 on formula. And, you buying it is not the cause of this persons addiction.

exactly, I didn’t cause this man’s addiction and there’s plenty of people in the area that buy from him. They give him whole shopping lists I don’t do that. Just stuff that’s actually expensive so I can spend more on food in the week! I believe he steals from b and m and Asda I wouldn’t accept it if it’s from the local corner shop or something because that’s someone’s livelyhood, a big corporation shop like them won’t miss it.

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Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 00:02

Inappropriacy · 25/06/2024 00:00

Love how your not acknowledging the people who have told you about the trauma aggressive shoplifters cause to staff 🙄

She's not acknowledged anything - she hasn't replied at all!!

Inappropriacy · 25/06/2024 00:00

AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 23:57

I don’t think I said this before but other users are saying if I don’t buy from him he won’t steal, but he will there’s weeks were I don’t buy stuff he still has a bag full the next time. The £10 a week is on laundry pods, softener , stain remover and laundry scent balls from persil or lenor. The balls alone are £8 in Asda. As for the baby milk it’s always sealed so I know he hasn’t contaminated it and I know others locally that buy from him too.

Love how your not acknowledging the people who have told you about the trauma aggressive shoplifters cause to staff 🙄

Runnerinthenight · 24/06/2024 23:59

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It's not "an insane reach" in the least. Someone who thinks it's ok to buy stolen goods has very poor morals.

I am very 'shades of grey' but I cannot and will not condone theft!

Right back at you lady.

scrapsontheside · 24/06/2024 23:59

@AmiABadPersonn 11 pages of most ppl thinking you are wrong and you justify it by others do it! Ridiculous

Februaryfeels · 24/06/2024 23:59

boredm · 24/06/2024 20:57

It isn't wrong to do this

Of course it's wrong

RampantIvy · 24/06/2024 23:59

Regardless of how much in obscene bonuses CEOs of supermarkets receive it still doesn't justify buying stolen goods that have been shoplifted.

Shoplifting just increases the prices for all of us, so I don't understand why some posters think it is OK to defend shoplifting. It doesn't hurt the CEO's pockets, it hurts the shopper's pockets.

AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 23:57

Garlicker · 24/06/2024 23:00

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

Yes to both.

I'm also gobsmacked at £10 a WEEK for cleaning stuff, though. Does he stash a couple of "mother's helpers" in the Glo-White box??

I don’t think I said this before but other users are saying if I don’t buy from him he won’t steal, but he will there’s weeks were I don’t buy stuff he still has a bag full the next time. The £10 a week is on laundry pods, softener , stain remover and laundry scent balls from persil or lenor. The balls alone are £8 in Asda. As for the baby milk it’s always sealed so I know he hasn’t contaminated it and I know others locally that buy from him too.

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Runnerinthenight · 24/06/2024 23:44

LlamaTwirl · 24/06/2024 23:01

Absolutely agree! Everybody should have anticipated the cost of living crisis with the stagnating wages and increasing food and energy bills. And nobody should ever have children unless they have thousands stashed away in the bank for rainy days and already own at least a four bedroom house. For the good of society. Pip pip.

Well it's safe to assume that the baby in this case was conceived after the CoL crisis began to bite...

Nothing is ever guaranteed! I lived through 15% interest rates. We bought our first home years before we had our first child, and moved to yes, that 4 bedroom home, when we were contemplating having our second. We planned our third according to affordability too. It's called being responsible. Yes, we could have both lost our jobs and ended up in dire poverty but we didn't.

I've had times in life like most when money was not plentiful but I have never, ever, stooped so low as to buy household goods from a drug dealer!

RampantIvy · 24/06/2024 23:42

The old "Well someone will buy it so why not me" excuse really does not stand up to any sort of moral scrutiny

That's the same excuse some women trot out when they are sleeping with someone else's husband - "if he isn't sleeping with me he will be sleeping with someone else".

Runnerinthenight · 24/06/2024 23:35

Grammarnut · 24/06/2024 22:58

Well you are feeding his habit, if he has one, not to mention his shoplifting, if that's what he does. You are also 'receiving goods', if they are stolen, which is a crime much worse than shoplifting i.e. it carries a heavier sentence. But on the other hand, he is used to selling you stuff and if I were your friend I would turn a blind eye. You could assume, of course, that he is using the money for food and that the goods he is selling are not 'knocked off' but bought cheaply from a wholesaler and he is offering good discounts because he wants some ready cash. You could also assume you are helping someone on their uppers. If he has the same stuff regularly it is much more likely that he has found a cheap wholesaler, and he is trying to go straight(er). It's you who have the problem. You have assumed he is shoplifting. He might not be. If you want the stuff, buy it.

Seriously? Do you actually believe that load of rubbish you just posted?!

TwattyMcFuckFace · 24/06/2024 23:34

How surprising there's been a no show from the OP 🙄

Tinytimmy123 · 24/06/2024 23:31

More than anything else, why would you buy baby milk off this person??? It could be tampered with , fillers used or whatever ...they do it to medications/perfumes why not baby milk. For that alone I think you are absolutely off your rocker !

Inappropriacy · 24/06/2024 23:26

I've been held up at work by a smack needle wielding addict. Threatened with knives and hammers. Had bottles thrown at me. I've had to lock us in and close early and wait for the police because groups of them were threatening myself and my staff. Another time I had to lock some kids in with us and call their parents and the police to keep them safe from the local addicts. Someone from the next shop down got stabbed. It's disgusting. You and everyone who does that are supporting this behaviour. Putting innocent people in danger every day.

TonTonMacoute · 24/06/2024 23:23

Shoplifting is costing the British economy nearly £8 billion, that affects all of us and is one of the reasons prices are rising.

Someone who thinks spending £10 a week on laundry detergent is a bargain could do with some serious budgeting advice.

greenpolarbear · 24/06/2024 23:17

Of course it's wrong and this is the most unreasonable post I've ever seen in this forum. Your friend was right to call you out on it.

seethingmess · 24/06/2024 23:11

So someone would buy stolen goods from a drug addict just so they could have 'nice brand' detergent? That's nuts. I could afford whichever one I wanted but choose a supermarket own brand as it's fine and probably a third of the price of the ones the OP is 'ordering' to be stolen for her.

MustBeGinOclock · 24/06/2024 23:11

It is wrong. But times are hard. I think if I was really struggling and someone could 'help' I'd be inclined to.

TheAlchemistElixa · 24/06/2024 23:08

Fishcake15 · 24/06/2024 20:46

Moral compass goes out of the window when you need and can't afford baby milk.

She didn’t say she couldn’t afford it. She said she got it cheap. And if she’s spending a tenner a week on the “nice” laundry detergent and softener brands I’d suggest she’s probably bargain hunting rather than a day away from baby starvation.

LlamaTwirl · 24/06/2024 23:01

Sweetvalleyhigh1234 · 24/06/2024 22:54

Maybe if money is tight you should consider not having anymore kids. 2nd you're getting conned if you're paying 40 pounds a month on washing and softener products ... 3rd yes you're funding and supporting a drug dealer. Maybe ask him as a last purchase if he has a moral compass you could buy.

Absolutely agree! Everybody should have anticipated the cost of living crisis with the stagnating wages and increasing food and energy bills. And nobody should ever have children unless they have thousands stashed away in the bank for rainy days and already own at least a four bedroom house. For the good of society. Pip pip.

Garlicker · 24/06/2024 23:00

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

Yes to both.

I'm also gobsmacked at £10 a WEEK for cleaning stuff, though. Does he stash a couple of "mother's helpers" in the Glo-White box??

Blouson · 24/06/2024 23:00

I feel like this is not wrong because if I didn’t buy it other people would.

The most stupid argument Ive ever heard.

Grammarnut · 24/06/2024 22:58

Well you are feeding his habit, if he has one, not to mention his shoplifting, if that's what he does. You are also 'receiving goods', if they are stolen, which is a crime much worse than shoplifting i.e. it carries a heavier sentence. But on the other hand, he is used to selling you stuff and if I were your friend I would turn a blind eye. You could assume, of course, that he is using the money for food and that the goods he is selling are not 'knocked off' but bought cheaply from a wholesaler and he is offering good discounts because he wants some ready cash. You could also assume you are helping someone on their uppers. If he has the same stuff regularly it is much more likely that he has found a cheap wholesaler, and he is trying to go straight(er). It's you who have the problem. You have assumed he is shoplifting. He might not be. If you want the stuff, buy it.

LlamaTwirl · 24/06/2024 22:57

PyongyangKipperbang · 24/06/2024 22:37

No but refusing to buy it gets rid of the market so they stop shoplifting as there is no pay off.

The old "Well someone will buy it so why not me" excuse really does not stand up to any sort of moral scrutiny.

Getting rid of the market doesn't stop the crack heads from having a crack habit though, it just pushes then into mugging grandmas and house burglaries instead .. they need to fund their habit and they will find a way to do it.. I think stealing from Tesco is infinitely better than stealing from granny Dorene on the corner .. totally understand if you disagree though.

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