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AIBU to “steal” this?

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AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 20:43

Hello everyone I just want your opinions on this as today I’ve been in a heated argument with my friend as to wether I am unreasonable or not.

I am off work on maternity leave so the funds are tight at minute. There is a man who lives near me I believe he is drug user, he sells half price stuff and also takes orders on what you want for half price. He knocks on my house about 1 or 2 times a week with a bag of half price goods. I always buy washing detergent and softeners from him because you can get a whole weeks laundry of the nice brands for around £10. Money is tight as I have just had a baby and I have 2 other children with my husband also. i also sometimes get baby milk formula from him if I’m running low because it’s cheap.

I feel like this is not wrong because if I didn’t buy it other people would. Even if no one bought it he would steal it anyway in hopes someone would buy it eventually.

Today my friend was at my house when he came so I offered her to have a look what he had. She immediately asked him where he got this stuff from and he replied “shop”. She didn’t say much after but when I finished buying my items she started shouting about how I’m funding his drugs addiction and I shouldn’t support it because I am now stealing too. I told her to relax it’s fine it’s only a couple of items. She didn’t say much and finished her coffee and left quick.

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

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Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 25/06/2024 01:06

The £10 a week is on laundry pods, softener , stain remover and laundry scent balls from persil or lenor.

WTF, you don't need all that shit if you're struggling! Just get basic washing powder from Aldi and Lidl like most people on a budget do.

You're bringing a junkie and a thief to your door every week so you can have high end cleaning products, it's ridiculous. Even stolen and at half price you're spending way, way more than I do every week on that stuff and I'm earning OK.

Lyraloo · 25/06/2024 01:04

Fishcake15 · 24/06/2024 20:46

Moral compass goes out of the window when you need and can't afford baby milk.

She shouldn’t have had another child if she needs to steal to feed it 🤷‍♀️

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 01:00

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 00:53

The real world where thieving isn't a way of life.

WTF should supermarkets act as charities? Don't be so fucking naive! They're businesses not charities, and if you don't like the price they offer, go elsewhere - don't steal from them and their customers, ie me!

I believe you were there one implying they act as charities only increasing their meagre profit margins when people steal from then to cover the losses. As I understand it they charge the highest amount they can get away with in order to maximise profits, therefore the thefts actually make no difference to you or me and how much we spend whilst shopping.
FWIW I do actually think shoplifting is immoral and have no qualms with people being arrested and charged for it and no qualms with shops implementing controls to reduce shoplifting (even though this is purely to keep their profits up, not to reduce prices for you or me).

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 00:58

PiggieWig · 25/06/2024 00:51

Up to you if you’re happy to support that but it’s a no from me.

Edited

I have a vulnerable sibling who lives alone. Has been burgled twice, roughed up a bit the first time, properly beaten the second time, restrained in cable ties, face beaten into a pulp - on Christmas Eve.

So excuse me if I have no time for thieves.

The police identified the utter cunts but the PPS decided there wasn't enough evidence. We had the bastards on CCTV sneaking up the drive and kicking the back door in!!!

PiggieWig · 25/06/2024 00:55

Food banks can help with things like laundry detergent and there are often big discount schemes, where you pay a few quid for a bag of groceries, in areas where there are high levels of people struggling.
I know of communities where it’s not uncommon for the local shoplifter to knock on with their goods, and those areas often have such schemes.

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 00:53

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 00:45

The real world where all supermarkets are acting as charities and providing food as cheaply as possible to their customers without a thought to the dividend payments of their owners.. that real world?

The real world where thieving isn't a way of life.

WTF should supermarkets act as charities? Don't be so fucking naive! They're businesses not charities, and if you don't like the price they offer, go elsewhere - don't steal from them and their customers, ie me!

PiggieWig · 25/06/2024 00:51

Up to you if you’re happy to support that but it’s a no from me.

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 00:51

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 00:28

Kudos to you for getting it right, I'm so glad that you've never felt the need to stoop so low as to buy stolen goods from a drug user (his drug dealer probably doesn't need to sell stolen goods as he'll be making enough money from selling drugs). Is your scorn towards those who are too poor to have children aimed only at people within the UK? Or does it extend to include people across the world? When including every person on the globe, the poor in the UK are still like some of the richest people in the world..

My scorn is aimed at thieves, and the enablers of thieves. You are totally twisting things. If the only way I could have afforded a 3rd baby was to buy stolen goods from a drug dealer, then I wouldn't have had a 3rd baby - but nice try at deflection.

Kudos to me absolutely for making sure I got it right. Most decent people do.

ByNavyOtter · 25/06/2024 00:48

I still can't get over this or what a disgusting example you're setting your poor children.

CaribouCarafe · 25/06/2024 00:47

Sorry OP but I still can't get over how much you're spending on laundry! (plus I find the fancy and scented stuff actually makes clothes feel worse and mustier over time - can't beat laundry soda)

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 00:45

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 00:41

Oh do join the rest of us in the real world!

The real world where all supermarkets are acting as charities and providing food as cheaply as possible to their customers without a thought to the dividend payments of their owners.. that real world?

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 00:45

scrapsontheside · 25/06/2024 00:42

@Runnerinthenight I wasn't being off! I was just saying that the op had replied.

I know, I hadn't seen any replies when I posted, don't worry!

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 00:44

SloaneStreetVandal · 25/06/2024 00:16

I'd think it must be very difficult to steal laundry detergent, baby milk and such like off shelf. He is perhaps being supplied by an insider - by drivers/staff/security.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. It's awful to think of people for whom the only way they'll eat is if they steal. So no judgement from me.

Edited

Well that speaks volumes about your morals.

scrapsontheside · 25/06/2024 00:42

@Runnerinthenight I wasn't being off! I was just saying that the op had replied.

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 00:41

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 00:38

I don't think this is entirely true. Stores are not pricing goods at the lowest amount and then adding a bit extra on when things get stolen. They literally price everything at the absolute highest they can get away with. Less thefts would not get them to reduce the prices. Their sole purpose is to generate wealth for the shareholders.

Oh do join the rest of us in the real world!

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 00:41

scrapsontheside · 25/06/2024 00:04

@Runnerinthenight she's replied twice

She has now!

StockpotSoup · 25/06/2024 00:39

AmiABadPersonn · 25/06/2024 00:02

exactly, I didn’t cause this man’s addiction and there’s plenty of people in the area that buy from him. They give him whole shopping lists I don’t do that. Just stuff that’s actually expensive so I can spend more on food in the week! I believe he steals from b and m and Asda I wouldn’t accept it if it’s from the local corner shop or something because that’s someone’s livelyhood, a big corporation shop like them won’t miss it.

So if you believe this, why does it bother you that your friend thinks it’s wrong? Obviously you can make your own decision on this, but it can’t be news to you that others might think this is wrong. Why are you suddenly asking about it?

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 00:38

Milkand2sugarsplease · 25/06/2024 00:26

Stores don't lose out from theft - we do as customers! Everything in store is priced to account for the amount the store loses in theft. Stores are not going to just suck it up when they have goods stolen - it's all passed on to the customers

I don't think this is entirely true. Stores are not pricing goods at the lowest amount and then adding a bit extra on when things get stolen. They literally price everything at the absolute highest they can get away with. Less thefts would not get them to reduce the prices. Their sole purpose is to generate wealth for the shareholders.

EnglishBluebell · 25/06/2024 00:35

Sorry but in my book you're a thief and our friendship would be over

Gogogo12345 · 25/06/2024 00:35

RandomUsernameHere · 24/06/2024 20:55

I know this isn't the point of the thread, but no way in a million years would I give a baby milk purchased from a suspected drug addict.

Surely baby milk is sealed though. Used to have like a giant metal ring pull underneath the plastic cap from what I remember

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 00:28

Runnerinthenight · 24/06/2024 23:44

Well it's safe to assume that the baby in this case was conceived after the CoL crisis began to bite...

Nothing is ever guaranteed! I lived through 15% interest rates. We bought our first home years before we had our first child, and moved to yes, that 4 bedroom home, when we were contemplating having our second. We planned our third according to affordability too. It's called being responsible. Yes, we could have both lost our jobs and ended up in dire poverty but we didn't.

I've had times in life like most when money was not plentiful but I have never, ever, stooped so low as to buy household goods from a drug dealer!

Kudos to you for getting it right, I'm so glad that you've never felt the need to stoop so low as to buy stolen goods from a drug user (his drug dealer probably doesn't need to sell stolen goods as he'll be making enough money from selling drugs). Is your scorn towards those who are too poor to have children aimed only at people within the UK? Or does it extend to include people across the world? When including every person on the globe, the poor in the UK are still like some of the richest people in the world..

Vergeofbreakdown23 · 25/06/2024 00:27

I thought of something to say...... Will you be a proud mommy when your darling children grow up and only steal from supermarkets to fund their drug addiction?!?

SloaneStreetVandal · 25/06/2024 00:26

DaniMontyRae · 25/06/2024 00:22

She's getting stolen fabric softener and laundry scent balls. She's not stealing stealing a loaf of bread to feed her starving children. And the bloke is doing it to fund a habit.

I get the impression it means she's not left short for buying food.

And yes I imagine for the chap in question it IS to fund an addiction.

Milkand2sugarsplease · 25/06/2024 00:26

Stores don't lose out from theft - we do as customers! Everything in store is priced to account for the amount the store loses in theft. Stores are not going to just suck it up when they have goods stolen - it's all passed on to the customers

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 25/06/2024 00:25

YABU for using 'scent balls' or high-end laundry pods or whatever in the first place. Why not use more eco-friendly products? You have 3 children and your ridiculous laundry habit is just trashing the planet even further.

I wouldn't have a problem with you walking into the supermarket and lifting either washing piwder or baby formula for yourself.

I do think there's a moral dilemma in exploiting someone's drug addiction in this way - you pay him to take the legal risk and this results in him taking more smack/ whatever, risking his health and wellbeing, enriching his dealers and causing a whole lot of other humans to be abused along the way...