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AIBU to “steal” this?

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AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 20:43

Hello everyone I just want your opinions on this as today I’ve been in a heated argument with my friend as to wether I am unreasonable or not.

I am off work on maternity leave so the funds are tight at minute. There is a man who lives near me I believe he is drug user, he sells half price stuff and also takes orders on what you want for half price. He knocks on my house about 1 or 2 times a week with a bag of half price goods. I always buy washing detergent and softeners from him because you can get a whole weeks laundry of the nice brands for around £10. Money is tight as I have just had a baby and I have 2 other children with my husband also. i also sometimes get baby milk formula from him if I’m running low because it’s cheap.

I feel like this is not wrong because if I didn’t buy it other people would. Even if no one bought it he would steal it anyway in hopes someone would buy it eventually.

Today my friend was at my house when he came so I offered her to have a look what he had. She immediately asked him where he got this stuff from and he replied “shop”. She didn’t say much after but when I finished buying my items she started shouting about how I’m funding his drugs addiction and I shouldn’t support it because I am now stealing too. I told her to relax it’s fine it’s only a couple of items. She didn’t say much and finished her coffee and left quick.

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

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Bunny44 · 25/06/2024 01:53

By buying from him you're encouraging and enabling drug usage in your area which could be a threat to you and your children as very often linked to violent crime.

And stealing even from big chains puts the prices up for eveveryone. It's not a victimless crime. Most of the big supermarkets have loads of security now due to this sort of thing so how do you know it's not a local shop? I've seem addicts stealing from mine.

What you're buying sounds really OTT anyway I'd just buy the cheap stuff if I couldn't afford the brands. Sounds like you're excusing yourself for being part of the problem. If you're that desperate go to a food bank.

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 25/06/2024 01:50

I think your behaviour is despicable OP. Enabling an addict, buying stolen goods, you shouldn't keep reproducing if you can't afford to feed your children. Contraception is free for god's sake. No one needs bloody scent balls either, I've never bought them in my life and don't know anyone who does either and our washing smells clean!

Here's an interesting article about what John Lewis is doing about shoplifting. "Greed not need" is what is fuelling the rise in theft according to one of their directors.
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2024/06/john-lewis-waitrose-shoplifting/

John Lewis and Waitrose blame 'greed not need' on surging shoplifting

John Lewis and Waitrose: 'Greed not need' is driving shoplifting surge - Retail Gazette

John Lewis and Watrose have said “greed not need” is driving record levels of shoplifting

https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2024/06/john-lewis-waitrose-shoplifting

PossumintheHouse · 25/06/2024 01:46

AmiABadPersonn · 25/06/2024 01:30

I’m so sorry for what has happened but this is completely different. What your sibling faced is an aggravated burglary and Abh/gbh, this is theft from a shop no one is being beaten up or abused.

That you know of. How do you know what's going behind the scenes of getting all of these items you're buying on the cheap?

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 01:40

happytobee · 25/06/2024 01:19

OP has chosen to have 3 children and another on the way. I don’t believe having children gives someone the right to lose touch with their morals.

Fucking hell, is she having a 4th when she can't afford three?!!

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 01:38

AnotherNameChange0 · 25/06/2024 01:31

I agree!

No, not decent people!

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 01:37

AmiABadPersonn · 25/06/2024 01:30

I’m so sorry for what has happened but this is completely different. What your sibling faced is an aggravated burglary and Abh/gbh, this is theft from a shop no one is being beaten up or abused.

It's actually not. You have no idea how your drug dealer mate intimidates staff to steal the goods you buy from him!

Lyraloo · 25/06/2024 01:36

AmiABadPersonn · 25/06/2024 01:30

I’m so sorry for what has happened but this is completely different. What your sibling faced is an aggravated burglary and Abh/gbh, this is theft from a shop no one is being beaten up or abused.

My God, you just don’t care do you! You think it’s all ok to do what you’re doing!

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 01:34

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 01:00

I believe you were there one implying they act as charities only increasing their meagre profit margins when people steal from then to cover the losses. As I understand it they charge the highest amount they can get away with in order to maximise profits, therefore the thefts actually make no difference to you or me and how much we spend whilst shopping.
FWIW I do actually think shoplifting is immoral and have no qualms with people being arrested and charged for it and no qualms with shops implementing controls to reduce shoplifting (even though this is purely to keep their profits up, not to reduce prices for you or me).

Well that is not what you said.

I don't know WTF you got anything from any of my posts suggesting they were charities, because that is patently ridiculous, and I am far from stupid!!

AnotherNameChange0 · 25/06/2024 01:31

milkysmum · 24/06/2024 20:48

I'd buy stuff, as would most people I know to be honest.

I agree!

AmiABadPersonn · 25/06/2024 01:30

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 00:58

I have a vulnerable sibling who lives alone. Has been burgled twice, roughed up a bit the first time, properly beaten the second time, restrained in cable ties, face beaten into a pulp - on Christmas Eve.

So excuse me if I have no time for thieves.

The police identified the utter cunts but the PPS decided there wasn't enough evidence. We had the bastards on CCTV sneaking up the drive and kicking the back door in!!!

I’m so sorry for what has happened but this is completely different. What your sibling faced is an aggravated burglary and Abh/gbh, this is theft from a shop no one is being beaten up or abused.

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Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 01:29

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 01:00

I believe you were there one implying they act as charities only increasing their meagre profit margins when people steal from then to cover the losses. As I understand it they charge the highest amount they can get away with in order to maximise profits, therefore the thefts actually make no difference to you or me and how much we spend whilst shopping.
FWIW I do actually think shoplifting is immoral and have no qualms with people being arrested and charged for it and no qualms with shops implementing controls to reduce shoplifting (even though this is purely to keep their profits up, not to reduce prices for you or me).

You are talking shite. I never said anywhere that supermarkets were acting as charities, because clearly they are not!

PigletJohn · 25/06/2024 01:28

It's no more "wrong" than me giving him a fiver for the kids bike he takes off your doorstep tomorrow.

You OK with that?

Lyraloo · 25/06/2024 01:25

Yes you are a bad person. You’re a thief and I wonder how you’ll feel if someone steals from you or your children become thief’s! You’re also extremely self entitled. You’re desperately trying to make excuse's for what you’re doing and clearly thought we’d all agree with you! No, most of the people on here are not morally bankrupt. Does your husband know what you’re doing? Stealing to feed your children when you’re really short of money is one thing, but stealing to have luxury laundry goods is quite another. Never mind your friend reporting the man, I hope she reports you! I’d be careful next time you open the door to him and if he does get caught I’d watch your back and that of your children because he’s very likely to want revenge on you.

boredm · 25/06/2024 01:23

happytobee · 25/06/2024 01:19

OP has chosen to have 3 children and another on the way. I don’t believe having children gives someone the right to lose touch with their morals.

She just doesn't have the same morals as you

happytobee · 25/06/2024 01:19

Fishcake15 · 24/06/2024 20:46

Moral compass goes out of the window when you need and can't afford baby milk.

OP has chosen to have 3 children and another on the way. I don’t believe having children gives someone the right to lose touch with their morals.

Zippedeedooda · 25/06/2024 01:17

ForFirmBiscuit · 25/06/2024 01:09

If you’re that hard up, don’t spend £10 a week on laundry detergent, et cetera. You just need a large box of 100 and something washes and that will do you for a few months and then a bottle of fabric softener every month or so which I think is about 4 or 6 pounds I can’t remember.

I don’t even use conditioner just a tiny amount of Aldis own brand Zoflora equivalent.
Plus Aldis powder at half the measure adviced on the box and I wash on cold and everything comes out lovely and clean.
Even the muddy sports kits

ForFirmBiscuit · 25/06/2024 01:14

ByNavyOtter · 25/06/2024 01:07

Absolutely this. Totally disgusting attitude and no mother should have it.

Well, she clearly doesn’t need to steal to feed it. She’s just spending what she should be spending on their food on other things like £10 a week on laundry detergent Et cetera I bet there’s other things she spends money on that shouldn’t if she’s hard up, she could afford the formula if she didn’t do that

Lyraloo · 25/06/2024 01:14

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 01:09

I don't think anybody said they could only afford baby number 3 because of their purchasing stolen goods from drug users (again, drug dealers don't need to sell stolen goods since they make plenty of money selling drugs instead).
Are you saying everybody who lives in privately rented accommodation / council housing who has not been fortunate enough to get onto the housing ladder should not be allowed to start families? Even if they have decent morals and don't buy stolen goods from drug users? Kinda sounds like it.

It was the op that kept going on about having a baby and two other children as an ‘excuse’ for handling stolen goods! She’s no better than the shoplifter and is costing us all money in the long run.

Zippedeedooda · 25/06/2024 01:14

AmiABadPersonn · 25/06/2024 00:02

exactly, I didn’t cause this man’s addiction and there’s plenty of people in the area that buy from him. They give him whole shopping lists I don’t do that. Just stuff that’s actually expensive so I can spend more on food in the week! I believe he steals from b and m and Asda I wouldn’t accept it if it’s from the local corner shop or something because that’s someone’s livelyhood, a big corporation shop like them won’t miss it.

They do miss it and they are having to raise the prices for honest people who don’t steal.
YABVU

pleasehelpwi3 · 25/06/2024 01:14

AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 23:57

I don’t think I said this before but other users are saying if I don’t buy from him he won’t steal, but he will there’s weeks were I don’t buy stuff he still has a bag full the next time. The £10 a week is on laundry pods, softener , stain remover and laundry scent balls from persil or lenor. The balls alone are £8 in Asda. As for the baby milk it’s always sealed so I know he hasn’t contaminated it and I know others locally that buy from him too.

If you took a week off murdering, but everyone else was murdering that week, would that make it ok to re-start murdering the next week?

Substitute the word stealing for murder in the example above. There's your answer.

If you can't afford it, don't buy it.
If you really need it, go to Lidl.
If you still can't afford it, go to a food bank.

Of course what you are doing is wrong. And getting a criminal record for handling stolen goods whilst unlikely will cause real problems for you and your child.

My mum's cousin got one in the late 60s for buying a knock off record on a market stall which meant she had to change her plans. Unlikely now, but why take the risk....

You're right that Asda makes massive profits, but it doesn't make stealing right. All the rest of us will have to pay the higher prices the supermarkets charge because of theft.

ForFirmBiscuit · 25/06/2024 01:09

If you’re that hard up, don’t spend £10 a week on laundry detergent, et cetera. You just need a large box of 100 and something washes and that will do you for a few months and then a bottle of fabric softener every month or so which I think is about 4 or 6 pounds I can’t remember.

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 01:09

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 00:51

My scorn is aimed at thieves, and the enablers of thieves. You are totally twisting things. If the only way I could have afforded a 3rd baby was to buy stolen goods from a drug dealer, then I wouldn't have had a 3rd baby - but nice try at deflection.

Kudos to me absolutely for making sure I got it right. Most decent people do.

I don't think anybody said they could only afford baby number 3 because of their purchasing stolen goods from drug users (again, drug dealers don't need to sell stolen goods since they make plenty of money selling drugs instead).
Are you saying everybody who lives in privately rented accommodation / council housing who has not been fortunate enough to get onto the housing ladder should not be allowed to start families? Even if they have decent morals and don't buy stolen goods from drug users? Kinda sounds like it.

Zippedeedooda · 25/06/2024 01:08

No you shouldn’t be doing that and I hope your friend reports him to the police.
Shops and businesses are loosing their livelihoods because of theft and you are complicit.
Plus spending £10/week on washing has completely blown me away.
If you’re near an Aldi or a Lidl their own brands are excellent and you will spend the tiniest fraction of that

ByNavyOtter · 25/06/2024 01:07

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 25/06/2024 01:06

The £10 a week is on laundry pods, softener , stain remover and laundry scent balls from persil or lenor.

WTF, you don't need all that shit if you're struggling! Just get basic washing powder from Aldi and Lidl like most people on a budget do.

You're bringing a junkie and a thief to your door every week so you can have high end cleaning products, it's ridiculous. Even stolen and at half price you're spending way, way more than I do every week on that stuff and I'm earning OK.

Init, he's an addict and a criminal and you're letting him come to your door. Despicable when you have kids.

ByNavyOtter · 25/06/2024 01:07

Lyraloo · 25/06/2024 01:04

She shouldn’t have had another child if she needs to steal to feed it 🤷‍♀️

Absolutely this. Totally disgusting attitude and no mother should have it.

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