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AIBU to “steal” this?

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AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 20:43

Hello everyone I just want your opinions on this as today I’ve been in a heated argument with my friend as to wether I am unreasonable or not.

I am off work on maternity leave so the funds are tight at minute. There is a man who lives near me I believe he is drug user, he sells half price stuff and also takes orders on what you want for half price. He knocks on my house about 1 or 2 times a week with a bag of half price goods. I always buy washing detergent and softeners from him because you can get a whole weeks laundry of the nice brands for around £10. Money is tight as I have just had a baby and I have 2 other children with my husband also. i also sometimes get baby milk formula from him if I’m running low because it’s cheap.

I feel like this is not wrong because if I didn’t buy it other people would. Even if no one bought it he would steal it anyway in hopes someone would buy it eventually.

Today my friend was at my house when he came so I offered her to have a look what he had. She immediately asked him where he got this stuff from and he replied “shop”. She didn’t say much after but when I finished buying my items she started shouting about how I’m funding his drugs addiction and I shouldn’t support it because I am now stealing too. I told her to relax it’s fine it’s only a couple of items. She didn’t say much and finished her coffee and left quick.

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

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CoffeeCatsAndVodka · 25/06/2024 08:02

AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 23:57

I don’t think I said this before but other users are saying if I don’t buy from him he won’t steal, but he will there’s weeks were I don’t buy stuff he still has a bag full the next time. The £10 a week is on laundry pods, softener , stain remover and laundry scent balls from persil or lenor. The balls alone are £8 in Asda. As for the baby milk it’s always sealed so I know he hasn’t contaminated it and I know others locally that buy from him too.

Laundry "pods"?
Softener?
Scent balls?

When you can't afford baby formula?

Oh my giddy aunt.

Tesco stain remover, 1kg for £2.75
Tesco washing powder, 80 washes for £8. It's lovely and will last you quite some time longer than a week. Aldi is even cheaper but not so keen on the smell.

I think if you and your husband have a look at what you spend your money on, you can afford to live without resorting to funding druggies (and risking getting a crimial conviction for handling stolen goods), without missing out on any essentials.

DwarfBeans · 25/06/2024 08:01

And well done to your friend for having morals 👏🏻

Imisscoffee2021 · 25/06/2024 08:01

Being a small part of this guys story by buying stolen goods, whilst also being aware you are funding an addiction and possibly even someone who deals and spreads the joy of drugs further, isn't something that can be morally justified really, which is what you're asking. Robbing from big corporations aside, if everyone who bought from him stopped then he wouldnt steal, its supply and demand.
Obviously not everyone will stop but that dkesnt make it right for you, it just means you're part of the toxic cycle, a small but active part of it as a buyer of stolen goods. Noone is naive enough to think it won't continue but you are being unreasonable to try and find a way this isnt technically wrong.

DwarfBeans · 25/06/2024 08:00

So when the druggie comes back desperate for money and gets abusive how you going to explain your connection to him to the police?

Lots of people are desperate for money right now but they don't resort to theft.

Misthios · 25/06/2024 07:59

The £10 a week is on laundry pods, softener , stain remover and laundry scent balls from persil or lenor. The balls alone are £8 in Asda

All the people bleating about how unfortunate it is that "poor people" can't afford to feed their children and wash their clothes and therefore have to buy stolen goods instead. Boo hoo. Fucking LAUNDRY SCENT BALLS are not and have never been one of life's essentials. They are a pointless marketing gimmick, a luxury. OP is buying her luxuries, stolen, from the local junkie just in the same way that people buy watches or top-end mobile phones or designer clothing.

Disgusting behaviour, no justification whatsoever.

Fishcake15 · 25/06/2024 07:57

Lyraloo · 25/06/2024 01:04

She shouldn’t have had another child if she needs to steal to feed it 🤷‍♀️

Yeah because it's that simple isn't it...

Fishcake15 · 25/06/2024 07:55

Runnerinthenight · 24/06/2024 21:58

Only that clearly isn't the case here. You are literally making shit up.

How do you know it isn't? There is a cost of living crisis. If you don't know someone's circumstances you shouldn't judge.

inamarina · 25/06/2024 07:50

Runnerinthenight · 24/06/2024 23:35

Seriously? Do you actually believe that load of rubbish you just posted?!

I wonder how much PP thinks a wholesaler would charge for the goods, if after selling them at half their usual price the addict would still make enough money to fund their habit 😃

rainbowunicorn · 25/06/2024 07:49

I would imagine your friend is probably rethinking her friendship with you. I know I would be. You are associating with drug addict criminals and putting yourself and children at huge risk for some scent balls.
You are part of the problem. If you honestly think that this is fine and a good example to set your children you really need to take a long hard look at yourself.

BubblegumLolly · 25/06/2024 07:48

I can see why people buy from them, but no, you shouldn't do it. You are funding his habit.
You don't even need big brand names. There's cheaper store versions for most things now, even laundry bits and they're just as good - I use them.

HappyAndJolly · 25/06/2024 07:46

AmiABadPersonn · 25/06/2024 00:02

exactly, I didn’t cause this man’s addiction and there’s plenty of people in the area that buy from him. They give him whole shopping lists I don’t do that. Just stuff that’s actually expensive so I can spend more on food in the week! I believe he steals from b and m and Asda I wouldn’t accept it if it’s from the local corner shop or something because that’s someone’s livelyhood, a big corporation shop like them won’t miss it.

Well that’s ok then 🙄 Honestly OP, just give it up. You haven’t had the response you were hoping for, you need to accept this is wrong. You’re no better than a thief yourself.

Moobootoyoutoo · 25/06/2024 07:46

But 'they' do miss it. Supermarkets turn over a lot of cash, a lot of money but the profit margins are actually pretty low as it's a saturated market and ultra competitive.

All of the big supermarkets now spend more and more money of thefts deterrents and that's only going up.
Security guards, CCTV, tags, boxes, security doors, body worn cameras, staff training.
Police are spending more and more of their resources of dealing with the same relentless thieves

All because you want stuff cheaper from.a.drug addict.

It's crazy and the number of people that Its ok to steal from 'supermarkets' - it isn't. It really, really isn't ok.

And it costs us all money, so the rest of us are subsidizing your shitty choices. I really hope you've lost a friend over this, you deserve far worse.

armyofants · 25/06/2024 07:41

AmiABadPersonn · 25/06/2024 01:30

I’m so sorry for what has happened but this is completely different. What your sibling faced is an aggravated burglary and Abh/gbh, this is theft from a shop no one is being beaten up or abused.

Honestly you sound a bit thick if you don’t understand the connection.

Butchyrestingface · 25/06/2024 07:41

Unless I was literally on the bones of my arse (eg, down to my last tenner) I would not commit reset, no. Or want a drug addicted thief on my doorstep regularly.

OP said he is stealing to order so at least some of those items would still be on the store shelves had she not given him her shopping list.

I can understand people behaving in a certain way when they are desperate. But OP seems shocked by her friend’s response and wants to know whether she’s morally wrong OR other people would do the same.

The two are not mutually exclusive. One could do something because they’re absolutely desperate that they would never otherwise do, and whilst it’s completely understandable and some would turn a blind eye to it, it’s still morally wrong.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 25/06/2024 07:41

Lifeomars · 25/06/2024 00:17

You know what would worry me? having this guy coming to your house and you paying him in cash, what's to stop him coming back and trying to break in at a later date and steal from you? When people are heavily into drug use they lose all scruples and will do anything to get money for drugs. He won't exempt you just because you are one of his customers.

And OP has no idea whether or not her supplier has passed her name on to his mates as a soft touch, either. Plus, as people have said, he knows the inside of her house and if she has anything worth stealing if his other side hustle dries up.

Mnk711 · 25/06/2024 07:41

AmiABadPersonn · 25/06/2024 01:30

I’m so sorry for what has happened but this is completely different. What your sibling faced is an aggravated burglary and Abh/gbh, this is theft from a shop no one is being beaten up or abused.

You don't know that though. Who's today he hasn't pushed over or punched a security guard or member of staff trying to escape?

Also you do realise your cheap goods means shops are raising prices for everyone else? So other mums and babies struggling that don't buy off the local addict are having togo without or go to food banks?

Newmum331 · 25/06/2024 07:41

I can’t believe you’re asking if you’re wrong to buy stolen goods, you’re no better than he is. Money is tight is no excuse, maybe you should have thought of that before having another baby.

MartyFunkhouser · 25/06/2024 07:41

You can attempt to justify it all you like, but you’re essentially just as bad as he is.

Unless you’ve got 10 children, you’re going through an inordinate amount of washing products a week. Not all of them necessary. Ditch the scent balls and fabric conditioner for starters. I’m amazed you’re using such chemicals if you have a baby.

TooLateForRoses · 25/06/2024 07:40

abouttoturn50 · 25/06/2024 07:26

@StormingNorman @TooLateForRoses my thinking was she could pay full price for the items she's getting from said drug dealer if she used a food bank.

I should add...
5- this post smells like BS

But I do know that it is common in lower income areas for people to buy stolen items from drug users.

The food bank isn't there to subsidise someone's scent ball habit.

Zanatdy · 25/06/2024 07:38

Absolutely not would I buy stolen goods from him and fund his habit. You know they are stolen and yes money is tight but pop to home bargains rather than stolen goods

RampantIvy · 25/06/2024 07:37

Mitzicat · 25/06/2024 07:10

I think there is another issue here. The price of goods we buy includes the cost of things stolen. Therefore if nothing was stolen, OK cloud cuckoo land, the prices would be lower for everyone. Perhaps think again about your choices.

It doesn't make stealing right though Hmm.

To the posters justifying the OP's actions - she isn't on the bones of her arse. She is spending unnecessary £££ on unnecessary laundry items when she could buy cheap washing powder (which is better for washing machines and washes clothes more efficiently).

The OP is not the only poster on this thread with a dodgy moral compass. Thankfully, the vast majority are not like this .

@AmiABadPersonn you can justify your actions all you like but what you are doing is morally reprehensible. You are a terrible role model for your children and have a very apt user name.

Toooldforthis36 · 25/06/2024 07:36

There are other things you can do, don’t handle stolen goods and fund this guys addiction. And don’t encourage him round your house.

you can buy washing stuff for a week way less than a tenner. Can you shop at Aldi/lidl? This stuff is great and £2.79? Way more than a weeks worth of washing.

you don’t need all the scent balls nonsense. Particularly if you can’t afford baby food - that’s where you need to put that money.

https://groceries.aldi.co.uk/en-GB/p-almat-super-concentrated-non-bio-liquid-wash-147l42-washes/4088600220420

every time shops raise their prices because of shoplifting impacting their revenues - big corporations or corner shops -it’s because of people like YOU, buying from scumbags who go on the rob.

Mittens1717 · 25/06/2024 07:35

It wouldn't bother me especially if I was tight for money, there's worse things happening in the world

BuggeryBumFlaps · 25/06/2024 07:33

Your friend is right.

All well and good saying 'if you didn't buy it someone else would' that saying and attitude is why most crimes of this sort take place.

Stealing cars = higher insurance premiums for everyone
Stealing goods = higher prices for everyone
Stealing household goods = higher household insurance

The list goes on, it will only stop when people like you stop buying. Supply and demand

Whaleandsnail6 · 25/06/2024 07:33

You are massively unreasonable.

Dont come crying poverty when you can spend £10 a week on knock off laundry crap that you dont need. Be honest, you want it and like the fact you can get it cheap so try and justify yourself.

If you were genuinely struggling, you wouldnt waste money on all of this stuff that you like. You would buy basic brands legitimately for quater of the price. Then you could put that money towards milk for your baby.

But instead, you choose to fund crime, and be a part of it yourself. You are contributing to the problem. But you know that already. You just dont care.