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AIBU to “steal” this?

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AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 20:43

Hello everyone I just want your opinions on this as today I’ve been in a heated argument with my friend as to wether I am unreasonable or not.

I am off work on maternity leave so the funds are tight at minute. There is a man who lives near me I believe he is drug user, he sells half price stuff and also takes orders on what you want for half price. He knocks on my house about 1 or 2 times a week with a bag of half price goods. I always buy washing detergent and softeners from him because you can get a whole weeks laundry of the nice brands for around £10. Money is tight as I have just had a baby and I have 2 other children with my husband also. i also sometimes get baby milk formula from him if I’m running low because it’s cheap.

I feel like this is not wrong because if I didn’t buy it other people would. Even if no one bought it he would steal it anyway in hopes someone would buy it eventually.

Today my friend was at my house when he came so I offered her to have a look what he had. She immediately asked him where he got this stuff from and he replied “shop”. She didn’t say much after but when I finished buying my items she started shouting about how I’m funding his drugs addiction and I shouldn’t support it because I am now stealing too. I told her to relax it’s fine it’s only a couple of items. She didn’t say much and finished her coffee and left quick.

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

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abouttoturn50 · 25/06/2024 09:18

@comingintomyown I think it's been done for the purpose of winding MNs up and a bit of a attention for the OP. However this does happen far and wide amongst certain areas in our society which quite a few people don't believe!

NasiDagang · 25/06/2024 09:18

MsLuxLisbon · 24/06/2024 22:04

Hear hear. I cannot find it in me to get worked up about this when the supermarkets are robbing us blind, as are the transport companies and the government themselves. (Lady Moan and her good husband Baron Pisstake come to mind) That said, I think that OP would probably be as well to not patronise this gent any more as he might have some unsavoury friends and it's not the sort of person I'd want around my kids. Not a moral judgement, more of a precaution.

And the baby milk might be dodgy!

armyofants · 25/06/2024 09:17

abouttoturn50 · 25/06/2024 08:59

@armyofants this is indeed the sort of things that are stolen to order. Expensive luxury and essential items. Razor blades are another example. When I had the misfortune to live in a rundown area many years ago, they would actually come round with trolleys full of these things and joints of meat etc. They would literally fill a trolley in Morrisons and walk out the store with it!

Yeah I know, but I still don’t think this particular thread is real. Not with £10 worth of scent pearl and detergent a week.

Maybe soon the shops will be forced to be online only. Or with one of those screens they have at McD where you order. But then they wouldn’t make money on impulse buy items. It is a huge problem as you say.

Londonrach1 · 25/06/2024 09:16

I buy shops own brand of washing powder and it lasts about 3 ish weeks if not longer...we wash daily. Costs £4. I buy when on offer. I never spent £10 a week. Maybe shop around

comingintomyown · 25/06/2024 09:16

I doubt this is real, who would be unintelligent enough to post about it and then ask if it’s unreasonable ? On Mumsnet of all places

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/06/2024 09:13

dubberrucky · Yesterday 21:34
People on here truly TRULY cannot comprehend poverty. They think they can, but they don’t.”

Poverty and common sense aren’t mutually exclusive. Anyone feeding their baby knock off formula acquired from an addict clearly lacks common sense. It’s downright dangerous.

Or would be, were this real.

YourWildAmberSloth · 25/06/2024 09:13

AmiABadPersonn · 25/06/2024 01:30

I’m so sorry for what has happened but this is completely different. What your sibling faced is an aggravated burglary and Abh/gbh, this is theft from a shop no one is being beaten up or abused.

I suspect that the shopworkers on minimum wage, who have to deal with this on a daily basis, would disagree with you. They are often and routinely attacked, threatened, and intimidated by thieves. My partners son had his nose broken by a drug addict shoplifter. He wasn't even trying to stop him, he just didn't get out of the way fast enough when this scumbag push his way behind the counter to grab cigarettes. Do what you're going to do, but please don't try to justify it. Fabric softener and scentballs are not a necessity.

Longdueachange · 25/06/2024 09:12

You need to take some responsibility here op. You had a baby when you and your husband were already struggling fiancially, that does not give you the right to profit from something that has been taken from others. There is no such thing as a victimless crime, so its utter crap that the supermarkets can afford the loss, is every supermarket worker rolling around in a Bentley? No, most are normal working people struggling just like everyone else.
Also, you are funding a drug habit, which in turn funds trafficking, terrorism and gangs.

OriginalUsername2 · 25/06/2024 09:11

I think it’s scummy. It’s pure selfishness. Never mind the poor men and women just trying to do their jobs and having to feel intimidated by your mate.

Maybe you can’t afford things because you make dumb decisions like spending 10 quid a week on “the nice brands”.

Zozo1990 · 25/06/2024 09:10

Bordersgarage · 24/06/2024 20:47

I don’t know how you’ve rationalised that if no-one bought it, he’d still steal it.

Thats just nonsense - if no-one bought it, why would he steal it?

Whichever way you cut it, what you’re doing is morally wrong, and probably illegal.

Lol. This reminds me of that viral clip where an illegal Isareli settler is stealing a Palestinian home in East Jerusalem and he says, "If I don't steal it, someone else will."

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 09:10

Buntycat · 25/06/2024 04:01

Of course shops raise their prices to cover the cost of theft. Your post is illogical.

They don't though. Shops charge the highest price they can get away with, they don't add a bit extra to cover thefts. Think about it. They wouldn't reduce prices if there was no crime, they would just make higher profits. Someone benefits but it's not me and it's probably not you.

Inappropriacy · 25/06/2024 09:09

AmiABadPersonn · 25/06/2024 01:30

I’m so sorry for what has happened but this is completely different. What your sibling faced is an aggravated burglary and Abh/gbh, this is theft from a shop no one is being beaten up or abused.

STAFF IN THE SHOP ARE BEING BEATEN, THREATENED AND ABUSED!!!!!!

GOD CAN YOU NOT GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD

it's like talking to my kids. Say everything 1000 times.

Misthios · 25/06/2024 09:08

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 25/06/2024 09:01

If I couldn't afford to feed my children, you bet I'd probably take this route.

Well done on all those with a moral standing who'd let their child go hungry.

I do think though that if you cut out spending so much on fragrance for your laundry you'd be better off all round. Clearly you're feeling some guilt over this.

What children eat fabric conditioner and scent balls? 🤔

inamarina · 25/06/2024 09:08

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 00:45

The real world where all supermarkets are acting as charities and providing food as cheaply as possible to their customers without a thought to the dividend payments of their owners.. that real world?

Well, supermarkets aren’t charities, they’re businesses. Is it really that shocking?
They do offer plenty of non branded affordable products though.
Nobody needs scented laundry balls.

user1471556818 · 25/06/2024 09:07

You know its wrong .So either shut up and stop it or accept you are supporting a thieving ring and drug users .

Hiddendoor · 25/06/2024 09:03

I'm sure this has been said already, but there is no way this one man is doing this on his own. Does he have his own warehouse to store all the "shopping" for people? His own mini Asda? If everyone is buying from him, he can hardly have enough time to service his own addictions never mind everyone's shopping needs.

The likelihood is the stolen goods aren't stolen on an individual basis, or by this guy. If he is an addict, it's surely more likely he is selling this stuff on behalf of the actual robdogs in order to get given his fix. Plus if anyone gets lifted by the police for handling stolen goods, it'll be him who goes to jail (and people like you @AmiABadPersonn who get a wee visit from the police too).

Wise up. And stop buying so much laundry stuff. With kids in the house you'll need stain remover and washing powder. Unless you know your family have allergies to Aldi or Lidl stuff, then buy it from there. If they are too far away, then find your nearest supermarket and buy their own brand version. It does not need to be persil and Lenor.

BluebellsareBlue · 25/06/2024 09:02

It's called resetting stolen goods for which you can be charged

Grammarnut · 25/06/2024 09:01

ZingyCyanRobin · 25/06/2024 05:22

Honestly, buying stolen goods is unethical. You're supporting illegal activity, which can have broader negative consequences. It's understandable, but there are better ways to save money.

I'm not sure it's 'unethical'. The law has neither ethics nor morals (nor should it have) but receiving (that is, buying goods you think or know are stolen) is illegal. And ignorance is no defence.

I do remember that in many places I have worked one of the ancillary staff has had a line in selling e.g. jumpers - which we all knew had probably fallen off the back of a lorry, but still bought. Causing waves with the particular ancillary was a highroad to a whole load of problems, anyway.

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 25/06/2024 09:01

If I couldn't afford to feed my children, you bet I'd probably take this route.

Well done on all those with a moral standing who'd let their child go hungry.

I do think though that if you cut out spending so much on fragrance for your laundry you'd be better off all round. Clearly you're feeling some guilt over this.

Ohfuckwhatdoidonow · 25/06/2024 09:00

You're incredibly close to the fire here OP.
Not only are you making it worthwhile for him to steal which has a whole host of problems for everyone else,

You are also allowing these people close to you. Oh its alright when Junkie Steve has got £200 worth of studd hs can peddle for half price to get his drugs for the day.

BUT when junkie Steve hasn't been able to steal, guess what he knows? He knows you. He knows your movements, he knows your car, he will have picked up all sorts of information, and he will use that to feed his addiction when he's pressed up against it.

I'm not saying this from an afar, oh it could potentially happen. I'm telling you from experience.
My Dad had a friend who was using, he tapped into my dad's routine, took things my dad didn't know would go missing. Stole parcels from outside his flat.
They fell out, made friends again when my Dad started using. The knowledge my Dad had was passed on... they were using as a group of 3. The woman he and his friend were using with became known to me, from the footage from the ring cameras on the front and back of my house.
My shed has been ransacked numerous times, they tried to burgle my house, my car has been broken into numerous times.
They know my routine and tbh, I would just advise keeping these people away from your door. They will steal and sell everything that isn't nailed down. One of my kids prams was even stolen out of my car boot. If you're hard up enough that you're trying to save on washing powder, imagine finding the money to replace a pram that was nicked out of your car.
My marriage broke down a few months ago, and I started to carefully budget with cash... I wanted to be certain I had the milk money for the kids for the week. Getting 2 kids out of the car I must have forgot it was there. Within an hour one of the local addicts was captured breaking into my car and taking the money.it wouldn't have been visible, but it does seem that it's now known that I have "stuff" that can be sold. I'm not rich. I don't have things on show but my lifestyle and routine is known by some of the local addicts and I think it's made me a target.

abouttoturn50 · 25/06/2024 09:00

Person with trolley could later be found in the stairwell of a block of flats off their head on crack!

Sakuem · 25/06/2024 09:00

TooLateForRoses · 24/06/2024 20:51

Missed that you buy baby milk from him!!! Please don't!

Can you apply for a Healthy Start Card? They are for low income parents with children under 4, to buy milk, fruit & veg for pregnant mothers and children up to 4 y.o.
Do you have a food bank nearby?

abouttoturn50 · 25/06/2024 08:59

@armyofants this is indeed the sort of things that are stolen to order. Expensive luxury and essential items. Razor blades are another example. When I had the misfortune to live in a rundown area many years ago, they would actually come round with trolleys full of these things and joints of meat etc. They would literally fill a trolley in Morrisons and walk out the store with it!

ThatVoodooThatYouDoooo · 25/06/2024 08:58

The £10 a week is on laundry pods, softener , stain remover and laundry scent balls from persil or lenor. The balls alone are £8 in Asda.

Scentballs? For fucks sake, if you want scent balls pay for them.
You and your thief cost everyone else money. It's not ok to steal

Lolaandbehold · 25/06/2024 08:58

lemonmeringueno3 · 24/06/2024 21:36

Wouldn't you just buy non-branded, cheaper stuff though? Not buy stolen stuff from a junkie so you can have the nice brands

Oh 100% I would explore the cheaper supermarket alternatives. But it might well be the case here that branding not actually relevant, it’s the fact that the goods he is selling door to door are cheaper than any no brand name equivalent the supermarket is selling.