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AIBU to “steal” this?

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AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 20:43

Hello everyone I just want your opinions on this as today I’ve been in a heated argument with my friend as to wether I am unreasonable or not.

I am off work on maternity leave so the funds are tight at minute. There is a man who lives near me I believe he is drug user, he sells half price stuff and also takes orders on what you want for half price. He knocks on my house about 1 or 2 times a week with a bag of half price goods. I always buy washing detergent and softeners from him because you can get a whole weeks laundry of the nice brands for around £10. Money is tight as I have just had a baby and I have 2 other children with my husband also. i also sometimes get baby milk formula from him if I’m running low because it’s cheap.

I feel like this is not wrong because if I didn’t buy it other people would. Even if no one bought it he would steal it anyway in hopes someone would buy it eventually.

Today my friend was at my house when he came so I offered her to have a look what he had. She immediately asked him where he got this stuff from and he replied “shop”. She didn’t say much after but when I finished buying my items she started shouting about how I’m funding his drugs addiction and I shouldn’t support it because I am now stealing too. I told her to relax it’s fine it’s only a couple of items. She didn’t say much and finished her coffee and left quick.

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

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Lyraloo · 25/06/2024 14:30

Niixky · 25/06/2024 10:16

I absolutely wouldn’t I was living in a homeless hostel and a guy was doing this I never bought a single thing off him, I am not a theif nor would I encourage one to keep doing it. You are putting yourself and your family at huge risk by having this man come to your house what if one week he’s desperate and decides to take from you too? You say it’s okay because it’s a big shop but the prices rise to account for this so honest people suffer. If you are struggling that much look into what help is available to you so you can get what you need honestly. For washing stuff shop about sometimes home bargains or farmfoods are cheaper than other places, the pink stuff stain remover is fab and cheap.

You are absolutely right and if anything does happen, social services would definitely get involved and not be to thrilled that a mother knew someone was a huge risk to her children and yet she encouraged him to visit their home and then engaged in illegal activity with him. She’s a greedy idiot. This is not stealing to feed her family, it’s stealing for luxury goods she and her family could do without. People always make the same excuse, that they would steal anyway! No they wouldn’t if everyone was honest and didn’t buy if off them!

Answersunknown · 25/06/2024 14:29

You’re stealing to order.

You think you’re poor and want a handout because you can’t afford fancy washing balls.
You have no idea about true poverty.

You’d probably turn up to a food bank having had your nails done. And not see what’s wrong with it.

Jengat · 25/06/2024 14:29

For me, It's less about the stealing and more about letting/encouraging a junkie to keep calling to your house when your have DC. That's grim OP!

OneTC · 25/06/2024 14:25

Yeah you're a scumbag sorry

Hankunamatata · 25/06/2024 14:22

What if he gets caught and tells police he is stealing to order for you?

inamarina · 25/06/2024 14:21

OrlandointheWilderness · 25/06/2024 14:09

Sorry @inamarina missed that post. What the Jeff are laundry balls?! And no, basic bog standard powder and FC are all you need.

I‘ve only heard about them today, so not entirely sure what OP meant - maybe something like this:

https://airpure.com/products/incrediballs-washing-balls-starter-pack

But then, it says it’s detergent, softener and brightener in one, but she seems to have used them in addition to the other stuff?

INCREDiBALLS Scented Laundry Washing Balls Starter Pack

Product Description  3 in 1 - detergent, softener and brightener Reusable and eco-friendly  Up to 30 washes per pack! Gentle fragrance  Wash in low temperatures Laundry just got INCREDiBALLS! If you're looking for an eco-friendly way to tackle your lau...

https://airpure.com/products/incrediballs-washing-balls-starter-pack

RobertaFirmino · 25/06/2024 14:20

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OrlandointheWilderness · 25/06/2024 14:09

Sorry @inamarina missed that post. What the Jeff are laundry balls?! And no, basic bog standard powder and FC are all you need.

Sleepydoor · 25/06/2024 14:08

Fishcake15 · 25/06/2024 13:42

Food banks often don't hand out Formula because it's a high value item.

The baby formula is a red herring here though she can go to the food bank and get other things to be able to put that money toward formula or get food vouchers to buy baby formula. She can stop spending so much money on laundry products no one needs and just buy regular detergent. The argument that you need to steal to feed your hungry baby is not really genuine here. If someone had a hungry child and they stole a loaf of bread, who would have the heart to prosecute them? But the OP is trying to justify being part of an illegal theft ring she is paying him to steal scented laundry balls. She's not a passive party in this scenario. She has a relationship with him. She's involved in the theft.

It is morally reprehensible and people should stop twisting themselves into knots trying to justify it.

Mountainpika · 25/06/2024 13:55

No justification for knowingly buying stolen goods.

And I wish the term 'shop-lifting' were never used. It's theft, pure and simple. 'Shop-lifting' makes it sound like a minor misdemeanor. It's a crime. And we honest shoppers pay for the actions of the thieves.

inamarina · 25/06/2024 13:45

OrlandointheWilderness · 25/06/2024 13:30

Well yes, it is morally a bit of a sore spot. However, I know what it is like to be really tight for money, properly tight, and I wouldn't judge you for it.
I would be concerned about him being at your house though.

But she doesn’t seem to be „really properly tight for money“, otherwise she wouldn’t be buying overpriced laundry balls! Gosh, why do people keep saying it…

Fishcake15 · 25/06/2024 13:42

Sleepydoor · 25/06/2024 13:20

Then go to a food bank before you end up in jail and not seeing your baby at all for being part of an organized theft operation, ffs.

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Food banks often don't hand out Formula because it's a high value item.

OrlandointheWilderness · 25/06/2024 13:30

Well yes, it is morally a bit of a sore spot. However, I know what it is like to be really tight for money, properly tight, and I wouldn't judge you for it.
I would be concerned about him being at your house though.

Floatlikeafeather2 · 25/06/2024 13:25

Sillystrumpet · 24/06/2024 20:55

tenner a week on laundry chemicals though, 40 quid a month and that’s knock off? How much laundry are you doing?

but buying stolen baby milk is so bad. However if you’re poor you’re poor.

She's not poor though, is she? She can afford to spend £10 per week on laundry products.

Sleepydoor · 25/06/2024 13:20

Fishcake15 · 24/06/2024 20:46

Moral compass goes out of the window when you need and can't afford baby milk.

Then go to a food bank before you end up in jail and not seeing your baby at all for being part of an organized theft operation, ffs.

Buntycat · 25/06/2024 13:20

Exactlab · 25/06/2024 09:28

I’m not judging you or him at all.

The supermarket underpays its workers and fired them in favour of the self serve checkouts.

This man is offering a service. Not only are the items half price but he delivers them for free.

I acknowledge he’s likely buying drugs. But I’ve known professionals who were high functioning alcoholics and one guy who was highly educated and had a high paying job who got a steady stream of prescription Xanax because he was addicted.

Life isn’t fair. Those supermarkets are making billions right now and many people can’t afford to even eat.

Your friend is judgemental AF.

"Can’t afford to even eat"? But have three children and buy fancy, unnecessary laundry aids?

What the thief is doing with the money has nothing to do with it really.

Your post is incredibly depressing. I hope you are never on a jury. Aren't we meant to teach our children that stealing is wrong? Would the OP be OK with one of her children, when a teenager, burgling a large house "because they’re rich and they can afford it"?

Some things are just right or wrong, and this is plain wrong.

ByNavyOtter · 25/06/2024 13:11

RobertaFirmino · 25/06/2024 11:44

No judgement here. It's all very well taking the moral high ground but shouldn't we be angry about the social issues that lead to drug addiction, shoplifting and food poverty instead?

Are you actually having a laugh? Your attitude is what causes these social issues.

Lyraloo · 25/06/2024 13:03

Bumblebeeinatree · 25/06/2024 12:27

I wouldn't buy anything you would eat or drink off him, certainly not baby milk. How do you know it's OK and the real thing?

Do you know he's stealing this stuff or do you just assume he's stealing it? I mean he may well be, but how does he steal so much in bulky items? And you 'believe' he's a drug user (not an addict?), so you don't know that for certain either.

Everyone likes a bargain, but you could actually ask him where he gets it all from, he may buy it at a wholesale warehouse (or end of line running out of date stock) to sell on. It doesn't sound very cheap at £10/week for laundry stuff. Probably still illegal, likely not paying tax or VAT, etc.

😂😂😂😂😂

Lyraloo · 25/06/2024 12:58

Tontostitis · 25/06/2024 07:11

theft from a shop....no ones being abused you are deluded.

Do you shoplift then? Would you think it ok for your children to just take what they want? Theft is theft, from a shop or anywhere else and it’s WRONG!

Lyraloo · 25/06/2024 12:55

Fishcake15 · 25/06/2024 07:57

Yeah because it's that simple isn't it...

Yes actually, it is!

godmum56 · 25/06/2024 12:37

Bumblebeeinatree · 25/06/2024 12:27

I wouldn't buy anything you would eat or drink off him, certainly not baby milk. How do you know it's OK and the real thing?

Do you know he's stealing this stuff or do you just assume he's stealing it? I mean he may well be, but how does he steal so much in bulky items? And you 'believe' he's a drug user (not an addict?), so you don't know that for certain either.

Everyone likes a bargain, but you could actually ask him where he gets it all from, he may buy it at a wholesale warehouse (or end of line running out of date stock) to sell on. It doesn't sound very cheap at £10/week for laundry stuff. Probably still illegal, likely not paying tax or VAT, etc.

a tenner a week cheap???? on what planet? oops sorry misread your post

Tinytimmy123 · 25/06/2024 12:28

AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 23:57

I don’t think I said this before but other users are saying if I don’t buy from him he won’t steal, but he will there’s weeks were I don’t buy stuff he still has a bag full the next time. The £10 a week is on laundry pods, softener , stain remover and laundry scent balls from persil or lenor. The balls alone are £8 in Asda. As for the baby milk it’s always sealed so I know he hasn’t contaminated it and I know others locally that buy from him too.

I am on cost cutting measures. Bought a big box of washing powder. No softeners or extras. As for stains I soak the stain in a bit of Asda washing up liquid, leave it for 30 minutes and then throw it in the wash as normal. I have been doing this for the last year. To be brutally honest if you're buying pods and softener then that doesn't seem to me to be the signs of someone who is feeling a real pinch.

As for the baby food, there are plenty of examples of products out there that look legit, packaged and stamped, but are far from it eg perfumes and medications, I can't understand why you would even contemplate this.

I used to work in an area that had some rather dodgy types, I inadvertently complained to someone about some youths tormenting me in that area. This man was going to get the local senior hoodlums to put an end to it for me. I politely refused and said it was fine it would pass. If you lie with dogs you will get up with fleas...there is always a quid pro quo.

Bumblebeeinatree · 25/06/2024 12:27

I wouldn't buy anything you would eat or drink off him, certainly not baby milk. How do you know it's OK and the real thing?

Do you know he's stealing this stuff or do you just assume he's stealing it? I mean he may well be, but how does he steal so much in bulky items? And you 'believe' he's a drug user (not an addict?), so you don't know that for certain either.

Everyone likes a bargain, but you could actually ask him where he gets it all from, he may buy it at a wholesale warehouse (or end of line running out of date stock) to sell on. It doesn't sound very cheap at £10/week for laundry stuff. Probably still illegal, likely not paying tax or VAT, etc.

Sandwichgen · 25/06/2024 12:17

So if you left your baby’s pram outside for a few minutes, he took it and sold it to someone down the road for far less than it would cost you to get a new one, you’d be ok with that?

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 12:16

inamarina · 25/06/2024 12:05

But surely according to that logic one could say that the prices before the COL crisis were the maximum amounts people were prepared to pay? Yet they did rise, and people didn’t just stop buying things.

That's because the prices rose for the manufacturers so those price increases were passed on to the supermarkets (all of them) and then onto us as consumers. Thefts are not a set amount across the board, ASDA for example may be doing a better job of controlling theft than Tesco, if Tesco increase their prices to try to cover the additional losses from theft they will then lose custom to ASDA.