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AIBU to “steal” this?

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AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 20:43

Hello everyone I just want your opinions on this as today I’ve been in a heated argument with my friend as to wether I am unreasonable or not.

I am off work on maternity leave so the funds are tight at minute. There is a man who lives near me I believe he is drug user, he sells half price stuff and also takes orders on what you want for half price. He knocks on my house about 1 or 2 times a week with a bag of half price goods. I always buy washing detergent and softeners from him because you can get a whole weeks laundry of the nice brands for around £10. Money is tight as I have just had a baby and I have 2 other children with my husband also. i also sometimes get baby milk formula from him if I’m running low because it’s cheap.

I feel like this is not wrong because if I didn’t buy it other people would. Even if no one bought it he would steal it anyway in hopes someone would buy it eventually.

Today my friend was at my house when he came so I offered her to have a look what he had. She immediately asked him where he got this stuff from and he replied “shop”. She didn’t say much after but when I finished buying my items she started shouting about how I’m funding his drugs addiction and I shouldn’t support it because I am now stealing too. I told her to relax it’s fine it’s only a couple of items. She didn’t say much and finished her coffee and left quick.

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

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Grammarnut · 25/06/2024 16:33

listsandbudgets · 25/06/2024 16:29

@Grammarnut Well unless he's selling it for more than he's paying when he gets it in the shop possible given the price of his laundry products then either he has very bad business sense... or he's not paying

I agree. But I have no evidence but OP's opinion. I don't know why she asked the question, really. And her friend wasn't very helpful. He might be the fence rather than the shoplifter (in which case, if caught, he will go to prison - fencing is considered to be encouraging theft so carries a harsher penalty than theft).

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 16:30

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 25/06/2024 09:01

If I couldn't afford to feed my children, you bet I'd probably take this route.

Well done on all those with a moral standing who'd let their child go hungry.

I do think though that if you cut out spending so much on fragrance for your laundry you'd be better off all round. Clearly you're feeling some guilt over this.

Are the children eating fucking laundry balls???

I wouldn't ever take this route. I'd get my arse back to work and earn the money to feed them in an honest manner.

listsandbudgets · 25/06/2024 16:29

@Grammarnut Well unless he's selling it for more than he's paying when he gets it in the shop possible given the price of his laundry products then either he has very bad business sense... or he's not paying

Grammarnut · 25/06/2024 16:27

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 16:22

Glad you're deriving such childish amusement. Some of us come by whatever we want or need in life through honest means.

I don't think people realise that if they buy stuff that has been shop lifted they are committing a crime.

Grammarnut · 25/06/2024 16:24

listsandbudgets · 25/06/2024 16:14

Rather sad to see that approximately 320 of those who voted up to now consider theft, handling stolen goods and supporting drug habits as reasonable

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I don't think having a drug habit is acceptable - bloody stupid and a waste of your life IMO. However, a great many people who consider themselves middle class, who have professional jobs etc have a drug habit, or 'dabble', so it's hardly surprising they find it acceptable.
As to theft, I have no first hand evidence on this so I will withold judgement on that point. Generally, having been the victim of burglary I am not at all friendly to thieves. If this man is one - balance of probabilities is that he does not shoplift but knows someone who does, hence orders - then I would not buy his stuff. However, I have come across goods for sale in my place of work (long time ago) being bought by people who would (probably) not steal, though they must know it has 'fallen off the back of a lorry'. Ethics seem to go out the window when offered a cheap deal.

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 16:22

a222 · 25/06/2024 08:58

these comments are making me laugh! some mumsnet users love the ‘i’m better than you’ stance while in reality im sure if they were offered a bargain (fenced or not) would take it.

you are completely right he would sell it to someone else if you weren’t buying, he would just become more desperate and sell it for cheaper.

Glad you're deriving such childish amusement. Some of us come by whatever we want or need in life through honest means.

listsandbudgets · 25/06/2024 16:14

Rather sad to see that approximately 320 of those who voted up to now consider theft, handling stolen goods and supporting drug habits as reasonable

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 16:01

Grammarnut · 25/06/2024 08:44

I know perfectly well that to 'receive' stolen goods is considered by the courts as more serious than shoplifting - and you will get a longer prison sentence. As to the rest, one should not judge people one does not know. OP's friend knows nothing of the door-to-door salesman except that OP says he is a drug user (she thinks). He may be running a small business for all anyone knows. So, yes, I stand by what I said insofar as I will not judge someone I do not know.

"Running a small business" - are you having a laugh?!

I will absolutely judge the fuck out of thieves.

scrapsontheside · 25/06/2024 15:59

@Runnerinthenight j you replied to is even more of a wind up than the op, don't waste your time x they have already had a post removed

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 15:54

JoSturgis · 25/06/2024 08:48

I personally don't think you have a moral dilemma here. You buy in good faith. Not as if you're doing anything wrong. Carnal lust, sins of the flesh etc. are an entirely different matter

What shite is this?!!!

mydamnfootstuckinthedoor · 25/06/2024 15:49

You know you are wrong for buying it, or you wouldn't be asking or trying to justify it. Was friend wrong for kicking off? Not wrong for disapproving, but shouting about it? Not appropriate.

NamelessNancy · 25/06/2024 15:47

I was kidding, sorry thought it'd be clear!

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 15:46

NamelessNancy · 25/06/2024 15:45

Cam we all show the poor OP some compassion please? Desperate people make poor choices. It starts with a few persil pods and then over time you're hooked on the scent balls. You'd feed your kids dodgy formula to feed your habit too.

She's not desperate!!! She wants expensive laundry products!!

NamelessNancy · 25/06/2024 15:45

Cam we all show the poor OP some compassion please? Desperate people make poor choices. It starts with a few persil pods and then over time you're hooked on the scent balls. You'd feed your kids dodgy formula to feed your habit too.

OneTC · 25/06/2024 15:38

Also don't be that surprised if you come home one day and he's kicked your door in and nicked your TV.

WhereIsMyLight · 25/06/2024 15:36

inamarina · 25/06/2024 14:21

I‘ve only heard about them today, so not entirely sure what OP meant - maybe something like this:

https://airpure.com/products/incrediballs-washing-balls-starter-pack

But then, it says it’s detergent, softener and brightener in one, but she seems to have used them in addition to the other stuff?

@OrlandointheWilderness @inamarina OP means this shit. Basically you will put a cap full to every wash to give your clothes a fake “fresh” scent. They’re expensive and you will use loads per wash, which is probably why OP thinks they’re poor and it’s “justifiable” when actually they just don’t have money to piss away, you know like the vast majority of people.

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RobertaFirmino · 25/06/2024 15:25

Respectisnotoptional · 25/06/2024 15:04

Have you not noticed @RobertaFirmino that the main social issue that leads to food poverty is parents having children they can’t afford and then expecting the state to bail them out with every benefit going.
If you can’t afford to feed and raise a family then take responsibility and stop having kids until you can do so.
Its simple!

Some people do have more children than they can afford, it's true. Some parents become ill, widowed, single or redundant. Some are simply feckless. I suspect the rising cost of virtually everything has more of an effect on food poverty though.

countcalculia · 25/06/2024 15:20

Nobody who spends £10 per week on laundry is on the breadline.

scrapsontheside · 25/06/2024 15:14

The op said money was tight , not that she couldn't afford her shopping she just prefers to buy from random drug dealers (addicts) who come to her door.
She isn't asking for budgeting ideas, she seems very pleased with her choice.
Just grim on so many levels

RobertaFirmino · 25/06/2024 15:07

ByNavyOtter · 25/06/2024 14:43

Explain how the fuck you think the Op exploiting a man's drug dependency for her own gain and to benefit a child she shouldn't have had because she can't afford it is not a societal issue?

With pleasure. If there were fewer drug addicts and better addiction services, shoplifting would reduce. Working out why these people turn to drugs in the first place and addressing these issues is key.
If people had enough money to make ends meet, they would be less likely to buy stolen goods. Why are people skint? It certainly isn't all bad budgeting/living beyond means, the fact is that the COL continues to increase. Why is it not being properly addressed? That would certainly help to reduce both shoplifting and the purchase of stolen goods.
Yes, theft is out of order but current approaches don't do much good. Removing reasons/compulsions to steal in the first place seems reasonable to me.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 25/06/2024 15:05

You can get both of these items from your local food bank. Your GP will even prescribe you free baby formula if you are struggling. These would be better options.

Respectisnotoptional · 25/06/2024 15:04

Have you not noticed @RobertaFirmino that the main social issue that leads to food poverty is parents having children they can’t afford and then expecting the state to bail them out with every benefit going.
If you can’t afford to feed and raise a family then take responsibility and stop having kids until you can do so.
Its simple!

Misthios · 25/06/2024 14:58

I think with "laundry balls" she means those ridiculous scent booster things. Unstoppables I think they are called, have never bought them because I don't really want to walk around smelling of detergent.

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Explain how the fuck you think the Op exploiting a man's drug dependency for her own gain and to benefit a child she shouldn't have had because she can't afford it is not a societal issue?

Technonan · 25/06/2024 14:36

It's hardly the point, but laundry scent balls are a complete waste of money. All they do is add smelly chemicals to your wash. And white vinegar is a much better softener than most fabric softeners. If you make more economical choices, you won't feel tempted to buy these 'bargains.' I know it's unlikely, but imagine how you would feel if you were prosecuted.