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AIBU to “steal” this?

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AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 20:43

Hello everyone I just want your opinions on this as today I’ve been in a heated argument with my friend as to wether I am unreasonable or not.

I am off work on maternity leave so the funds are tight at minute. There is a man who lives near me I believe he is drug user, he sells half price stuff and also takes orders on what you want for half price. He knocks on my house about 1 or 2 times a week with a bag of half price goods. I always buy washing detergent and softeners from him because you can get a whole weeks laundry of the nice brands for around £10. Money is tight as I have just had a baby and I have 2 other children with my husband also. i also sometimes get baby milk formula from him if I’m running low because it’s cheap.

I feel like this is not wrong because if I didn’t buy it other people would. Even if no one bought it he would steal it anyway in hopes someone would buy it eventually.

Today my friend was at my house when he came so I offered her to have a look what he had. She immediately asked him where he got this stuff from and he replied “shop”. She didn’t say much after but when I finished buying my items she started shouting about how I’m funding his drugs addiction and I shouldn’t support it because I am now stealing too. I told her to relax it’s fine it’s only a couple of items. She didn’t say much and finished her coffee and left quick.

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

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Bordersgarage · 25/06/2024 18:42

In many respects you’re worse than the bloke doing the shoplifting. At least he’s willing to do the dirty work, take the majority of the risk, and can say he’s feeding an addiction. What’s your excuse? You’re knowingly buying stolen goods and turning a blind eye to the consequences.

And the money you give him goes straight to a drug dealer, to fund organised crime, modern slavery, and all manner of other stuff.

But hey, that new Daz does smell lovely.

indianwoman · 25/06/2024 17:28

But if you know he is stealing you are also knowingly committing a crime. It's up to you if you think that is ok or not.

OneTC · 25/06/2024 17:15

I do agree with @RobertaFirmino that the problem is solved through more complex means, but I'm a shopkeeper, total societal work over isn't in my remit. Keeping my business going so I can employ people is the only thing I care about.

Also people are in dreamland if they think this stuff comes from big name supermarkets only. They steal from anyone, because they're thieves, that's what they do. They don't think the same as you

Eeeden · 25/06/2024 17:15

You are a shoplifter you has someone else do their dirty work and take all the risks.

ObliviousCoalmine · 25/06/2024 17:09

£10 a week on laundry stuff is mental.

Backtothe90ties · 25/06/2024 17:08

AmiABadPersonn · 25/06/2024 01:30

I’m so sorry for what has happened but this is completely different. What your sibling faced is an aggravated burglary and Abh/gbh, this is theft from a shop no one is being beaten up or abused.

You say that no one is beaten up or abused but how do you know??? My DH works in a supermarket and has to deal with these types of people on a daily basis. He is regularly threatened with violence and has been attacked before. It might not directly affect his livelihood but it could mean prices go up for everyone when this happens. Theft like this isn’t a victimless crime and saying other people do it or that times are tight Isn’t an excuse.

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 17:06

NamelessNancy · 25/06/2024 15:45

Cam we all show the poor OP some compassion please? Desperate people make poor choices. It starts with a few persil pods and then over time you're hooked on the scent balls. You'd feed your kids dodgy formula to feed your habit too.

I'll reserve my compassion for people who deserve it, not a common thief, thank you!

"Poor OP" my hole!!

zingally · 25/06/2024 17:04

You know it's wrong. Otherwise you wouldn't have come on here asking.

Everyone on here has torn you a new one, but I'd say "there but for the grace of god go I." But what will happen when he gets caught and put in prison? It's "if" rather than "when". You need a more sustainable plan for your family's finances going forward, than relying on the offerings of a drug-addicted criminal.

Off topic a bit, but how on earth are you spending a tenner a week on laundry stuff? I'm a family of 4, with 2 KS1 aged kids, and I probably don't spend that in a month - on the full price stuff!

OneTC · 25/06/2024 17:03

Llama we absolutely do factor shrinkage into how we price things.

We don't put the price up because heals the box is missing and we need to recover costs on that box it just eats into profit and if we want to maintain that profitability we will be charging more across the board.

It's applied in anticipation of the theft because the theft is inevitable.

People have got proper fucking jokes views of who it is out there doing the robbing and the buying and I guess that's because it doesn't really affect you.

People are struggling. They're not buying luxury washing up stuff though. If they are finding a tenner a week to smell like cheap chemicals then they're not struggling in any sense that most reasonable people would understand

People steal because they're thieving cunts, on the most part. People buy hooky gear because they have no morals and are too scared to steal it themselves.

Relevant experience: owned a small retail business for 30+ years. Dealt with hundreds if not thousands of thieves over the years

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 17:02

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No, you're the one talking out of yours luv.

scrapsontheside · 25/06/2024 16:58

I @Runnerinthenight when I should have @Runsyd apologies :)

Lifestooshort71 · 25/06/2024 16:57

I voted YABU before a little derail here...I'm old enough to remember the door-to-door-salesman who knocked once a month with dusters, dustpans & brushes etc and flirted with the 'lady of the house' - heaven knows where he got his stuff from but pretty sure he wasn't a tea leaf.

Skyrainlight · 25/06/2024 16:56

You are morally wrong and you shouldn't keep having children if you can't afford it. How bizarre to keep getting an addict to keep coming to your house when you have children. Are you stupid?

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 16:53

Soubriquet · 25/06/2024 10:55

Whilst I don’t do it (but I probably would if I could), I used to know people who bought stuff like this.

Why would you ever even consider it?!

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 16:51

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 10:25

Well they wouldn't be able to because they are already charging the maximum amount they can get away with. They may have to stop selling the product of it was no longer profitable for them, or they could look at other ways to reduce thefts.

Ya think?!

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 16:48

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 10:13

They don't though! They just wouldn't charge less than that amount.

You're wrong.

S0livagant · 25/06/2024 16:45

Golden Swan White Vinegar, 5 l (Pack of 4) https://amzn.eu/d/01nyslqk

£17 for 20L. Can be stored almost anywhere but you can also find single 5L bottles if space is a real issue.

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 25/06/2024 16:45

DaniMontyRae · 25/06/2024 09:38

There's nothing to extrapolate. A mother who is wasting money on fabric conditioner and scent balls is not struggling to feed her children. If she were struggling to feed them she wouldn't be wasting money on such useless products. The OP just wants to live a life she can't afford.

That's why I said:

If I couldn't afford to feed my children, you bet I'd probably take this route

I didn't say OP was doing that? I wasn't purely responding to the OP, I took in the other comments before mine and made my own comment.

This comment was directed at the OP

I do think though that if you cut out spending so much on fragrance for your laundry you'd be better off all round. Clearly you're feeling some guilt over this

HTH @Misthios as well.

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 16:44

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 25/06/2024 09:36

Sorry you're incapable of extrapolating from the information provided.

Shame you're not capable of reading the actual words in front of you, and that you condone criminality!

scrapsontheside · 25/06/2024 16:43

@Runnerinthenight agreed, but it didn't "@" the person saying only males would think a tenner a week on laundry stuff was a bargain., not sure why we kept clashing when we both agree the op is wrong in her life choice to buy from a drug "dealer" (addict)
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Lyraloo · 25/06/2024 16:42

AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 20:43

Hello everyone I just want your opinions on this as today I’ve been in a heated argument with my friend as to wether I am unreasonable or not.

I am off work on maternity leave so the funds are tight at minute. There is a man who lives near me I believe he is drug user, he sells half price stuff and also takes orders on what you want for half price. He knocks on my house about 1 or 2 times a week with a bag of half price goods. I always buy washing detergent and softeners from him because you can get a whole weeks laundry of the nice brands for around £10. Money is tight as I have just had a baby and I have 2 other children with my husband also. i also sometimes get baby milk formula from him if I’m running low because it’s cheap.

I feel like this is not wrong because if I didn’t buy it other people would. Even if no one bought it he would steal it anyway in hopes someone would buy it eventually.

Today my friend was at my house when he came so I offered her to have a look what he had. She immediately asked him where he got this stuff from and he replied “shop”. She didn’t say much after but when I finished buying my items she started shouting about how I’m funding his drugs addiction and I shouldn’t support it because I am now stealing too. I told her to relax it’s fine it’s only a couple of items. She didn’t say much and finished her coffee and left quick.

So am I morally wrong for this? Or would you do the same?

Hopefully both you and him will get caught, I hope as a mother they throw the book at you, all your posts trying to justify what you’re doing are disgusting. You are self entitled and immoral and need to have a look at yourself without the rose tinted glasses. Lets be honest, you’re a common thief and you should be ashamed of yourself!

S0livagant · 25/06/2024 16:40

If you have the napisan type stain remover in the tub then save the little baseball cap scoop. Buy supermarket washing powder. Use the scoop for the powder, it will be enough, the powder will last twice as long as the box says, and it takes seconds. No need for expensive pods.

Runsyd · 25/06/2024 16:40

scrapsontheside · 25/06/2024 09:46

Off topic of the op being scummy, why is it "only a male" im pretty sure there are lots of males who do their own shopping and washing without thinking a tenner a week Is good .
Stupidity is genderless

Because most of the trolls on MN are male.

S0livagant · 25/06/2024 16:36

AmiABadPersonn · 24/06/2024 23:57

I don’t think I said this before but other users are saying if I don’t buy from him he won’t steal, but he will there’s weeks were I don’t buy stuff he still has a bag full the next time. The £10 a week is on laundry pods, softener , stain remover and laundry scent balls from persil or lenor. The balls alone are £8 in Asda. As for the baby milk it’s always sealed so I know he hasn’t contaminated it and I know others locally that buy from him too.

Why are you buying all that laundry stuff though? Scent balls? It doesn't matter if they normally cost £8, no one needs them so half price isn't a bargain. You could buy a box of supermarket brand powder, white vinegar for softener, and supermarket stain remover and it would be far cheaper than £10 a week at full price. By buying branded and unnecessary rubbish at a discount you are actually paying far more. The money saved on all that crap could be spent on food.

Runnerinthenight · 25/06/2024 16:36

LlamaTwirl · 25/06/2024 09:23

Well, I know they're not charities! I can see where the confusion comes from, but my post was in response to someone else who invited me to join them in the real world. That poster was struggling to grasp an understanding of the way in which supermarkets decide their prices, so I had explained to them how supermarkets differ to charities, in that they charge as much as they can in order to maximise profits for their owners.

I don't think anyone is in any need of an 'explanation' from you!

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