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newlyblended · 24/06/2024 18:05

So some background info. Im currently a single parent to 3 kids, now older at 16, 17 and 22. The 22 year old works full time, 16 & 17 year old in full time education, both intend to go to a local uni and stay at home for the foreseeable future. My partner of 3 years is about to move in with us, probably at the end of the summer holidays. He is someone i and my children have known 20 years, my younger two have known him their entire lives. Though we have only been together the past 3 years. My marriage to their father broke down in 2014, it has just been myself and the children ever since. When we got together he knew that taking it slow was important to me as i didnt want any further disruption to my childrens lives. Now all my children are out of school, this is a step we can take. He doesnt currently live locally, nearly 3 hours away, but he visits, and i visit him both with and without my children. I have sat down and discussed with my children about him moving, and they are very happy with the plans. The wait is for his job, it is transferrable, and plans underway, it just takes a little bit of time.

So my question is, how on earth would you split finances? I earn around £34k but my monthly pay varies by up to £400, i still get a small amount of UC (£200-400 a month depending on my overtime, i will stop getting this totally when he moves in) and my eldest contributes £300 a month to the household. I live in a rented council house since we had to sell the home i owned with my husband we were very lucky to get in a lovely sought after area. I plan to keep the house only in my name for a currently unknown amount of time to protect our home incase him moving in doesnt work. He earns slightly less, however, due to my pension and student finance (both undergrad and post grad loans) our take home is about the same.

We are next seeing each other next weekend and i need to broach the topic of household bills, so we have a plan in place that is fair to us both. Ultimately, we are 4 people, he is one, so 50/50 seems unreasonable. My initial thought was i pay 2/3 including the money from my son, he pays 1/3, but im unsure if im chucking myself under a bus here. If it makes any difference i also have zero in savings, and he has 6 months wage saved as a single childfree man. he also currently lives in a place where half his wage is spent on rent, so his outgoings are going to reduce substantially as my rent is already nearly half what he pays at the minute.

The children's costs are 100% my responsibility, all their costs are on me (no CMS either, he has never paid a penny, another story), So i dont want to be seen as taking advantage of another decent wage coming into the house, but i also dont want to be in a position where by im covering a large proportion of the households living costs and he has essentially reduced his outgoings by like 80% (rent already halved, then paying just a third of my current, that is maths i cant do sorry!) moving in with us.

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newlyblended · 24/06/2024 19:28

Mrsttcno1 · 24/06/2024 19:20

I think some bills you split differently to others.

Food, gas & elec, water etc, the things that will increase due to him moving in he should pay 1/5 because that’s the amount he’s using. It is essentially a 5 adult household, although 2 of them aren’t working (16yo and 17yo) they will be eating & using the same amount as any adult would so splitting that bill 50/50 or even 70/30 isn’t really fair to him, and you shouldn’t be worse off for doing that because currently with the exception of £300 from your dc you are already funding 100% of those bills.

So he should move into a house rent and council tax free because i already afford them by myself? He should only contribute to bills that will go up? Also forget the fact that i will be £200/400 down? Do you really think that is fair?

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newlyblended · 24/06/2024 19:25

venusandmars · 24/06/2024 19:21

Have you not asked him? Has he not mentioned anything about it?

You've known each other for 20 years, been in a relationship for 3 years, you've got definite plans for him to move into your house, soon, and you haven't talked about money?

Just incredible!

We have talked about it, he knows what i am going to lose monthly with him moving in, he knows my income, my outgoings, i know his and his current outgoings, i know he has savings, he knows i have a few debts, i know he paid his off when he split from his ex, i dont know his exact pension no, but i kow he has a workplace one.

We havent got a set in stone plan yet no, which is why i plan to discuss it with him this weekend, which is a minimum of 2 months before the earliest possibility of him moving due to his job, it could potentially take longer. But we are making these plans now, before he moves in, a good while before he moves in.

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venusandmars · 24/06/2024 19:21

Have you not asked him? Has he not mentioned anything about it?

You've known each other for 20 years, been in a relationship for 3 years, you've got definite plans for him to move into your house, soon, and you haven't talked about money?

Just incredible!

Mrsttcno1 · 24/06/2024 19:20

I think some bills you split differently to others.

Food, gas & elec, water etc, the things that will increase due to him moving in he should pay 1/5 because that’s the amount he’s using. It is essentially a 5 adult household, although 2 of them aren’t working (16yo and 17yo) they will be eating & using the same amount as any adult would so splitting that bill 50/50 or even 70/30 isn’t really fair to him, and you shouldn’t be worse off for doing that because currently with the exception of £300 from your dc you are already funding 100% of those bills.

newlyblended · 24/06/2024 19:18

Apileofballyhoo · 24/06/2024 19:10

Is he not paying into a pension? What are you going to look like financially as a couple when you are retired?

He has a workplace pension, but his contributions are not as high as mine are (NHS). Aside from that i dont know, retirement is another 25 years away, its not a conversation we have fully had, i only know his is lower as i was talking about how a pay rise in the NHS happened, but it also bumped me up pension brackets so i didn't really see that pay rise in take home pay.

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Hankunamatata · 24/06/2024 19:15

I'd say you both split bills 50:50.
Use £300 to from older child to cover food for 3 kids.

Apileofballyhoo · 24/06/2024 19:10

Is he not paying into a pension? What are you going to look like financially as a couple when you are retired?

newlyblended · 24/06/2024 18:58

Mumofteenandtween · 24/06/2024 18:53

Ok so his outgoings will reduce by about £1500 a month? Or more? Or less?

If it is £1500 then according to my formula (and going with a figure of £300 for your tax credits and another £100 for how much your bills will go up) then he should pay you

400 + 0.5 * (1500 - 400) = £950.

So you will be £550 better off (hooray!) and he will be £550 better off (hooray!) which seems pretty nice for both of you.

Thats helpful, thank you very much, i couldnt actually do the maths, its not my strong point lol, but seeing it written like that helps me to calculate it better and see how that suggestion could be fair

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newlyblended · 24/06/2024 18:54

dammit88 · 24/06/2024 18:47

I see what you mean - yes I don't think you should be worse off. So what LongDueA Change says presuming this will not make him worse off either!

No, he would be better off than he is now off a rough guess. I just want it to be fair to both of us, him moving in should ease the financial pressure on us both a bit, not stretch me to the max and he be sitting pretty. Its such a fine line between taking the piss, and giving him a free ride to save a fortune. I want to get it right. Ive known him forever, i know he wouldnt be offended or really care what i suggest, he would do 50/50 if i suggested it as he has wanted this move for a long time, its me thats been putting it off because of the disruption to my children during GCSEs etc, but i dont want that, i want him to see im being fair with what i suggest and have taken into consideration that he isnt here to fund my children or our lives.

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Mumofteenandtween · 24/06/2024 18:53

newlyblended · 24/06/2024 18:31

So id loose 200-400 a month depending on my hours. Ctax will stay the same, bills im not sure but yes they will change slightly, food shopping will have to massively change as at the minute we get hello fresh which only does for the 4 of us as its handy around my 12 hour shifts. That wont be possible when its 5 adults being feed.

His outgoings will reduce by basically everything, he has no further outgoings other than his phone really. No car costs or similar, no loans or debts as everything was paid off when he split up with his ex. His only outgoings are what you mentioned

Ok so his outgoings will reduce by about £1500 a month? Or more? Or less?

If it is £1500 then according to my formula (and going with a figure of £300 for your tax credits and another £100 for how much your bills will go up) then he should pay you

400 + 0.5 * (1500 - 400) = £950.

So you will be £550 better off (hooray!) and he will be £550 better off (hooray!) which seems pretty nice for both of you.

dammit88 · 24/06/2024 18:47

I see what you mean - yes I don't think you should be worse off. So what LongDueA Change says presuming this will not make him worse off either!

newlyblended · 24/06/2024 18:42

dammit88 · 24/06/2024 18:38

I think in terms of food and utilities etc though they will costing the same as the adults and are not his responsibility. One is also contributing financially. So I still think 1/5th of bills.

my problem with this is that i will be worse of each month already

I dont know. Maybe i just need to accept that im potentially going to be worse off if 1/5 of the general bills, ignoring what i will lose, is the fairest way to do it. 1/5 of the bills here is a saving of like £1000 a month for him on what he pays out now.

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dammit88 · 24/06/2024 18:38

newlyblended · 24/06/2024 18:36

Its not 5 adults, 2 are still financially dependent children. Its 3 adults working full time, my son currently contributes £300 a month to the household.

I think in terms of food and utilities etc though they will costing the same as the adults and are not his responsibility. One is also contributing financially. So I still think 1/5th of bills.

newlyblended · 24/06/2024 18:38

Longdueachange · 24/06/2024 18:36

As above, I think he needs to pay what you will loose, plus a 5th of total household expenses. This way you won't loose out and he will be contributing a fair share. Make sure he does his share of household chores - make it clear before he moves in.

what i will lose plus 1/5 seems fair, a nightmare to work out as that figure is £200-400 depending on the month, but if thats fairest its doable

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Longdueachange · 24/06/2024 18:36

As above, I think he needs to pay what you will loose, plus a 5th of total household expenses. This way you won't loose out and he will be contributing a fair share. Make sure he does his share of household chores - make it clear before he moves in.

newlyblended · 24/06/2024 18:36

dammit88 · 24/06/2024 18:34

If it's 5 adults I agree he would pay 1/5th. As and when your children move out, it would become a higher percentage.

Its not 5 adults, 2 are still financially dependent children. Its 3 adults working full time, my son currently contributes £300 a month to the household.

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dammit88 · 24/06/2024 18:34

If it's 5 adults I agree he would pay 1/5th. As and when your children move out, it would become a higher percentage.

newlyblended · 24/06/2024 18:31

Mumofteenandtween · 24/06/2024 18:15

I’d go with the aim to be “equally better off”.

So you will be worse off when he moves in:-

Lose tax credits
Increased Council tax (? - or maybe not if your son is 22?)
Higher water bill
(Slightly) higher electricity bill
(Slightly) higher gas bill

Put a figure on it. Say £X.

He will be better off:-
No rent
No council tax
No bills

Again put a figure on it. Say £Y.

Hopefully Y is bigger than X. (Or you should probably reconsider.)

He should pay you

X + 0.5(Y-X)

And you will both be

0.5(Y-X) better off.

Then you just need to figure out food bills etc.

So id loose 200-400 a month depending on my hours. Ctax will stay the same, bills im not sure but yes they will change slightly, food shopping will have to massively change as at the minute we get hello fresh which only does for the 4 of us as its handy around my 12 hour shifts. That wont be possible when its 5 adults being feed.

His outgoings will reduce by basically everything, he has no further outgoings other than his phone really. No car costs or similar, no loans or debts as everything was paid off when he split up with his ex. His only outgoings are what you mentioned

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Mumofteenandtween · 24/06/2024 18:15

I’d go with the aim to be “equally better off”.

So you will be worse off when he moves in:-

Lose tax credits
Increased Council tax (? - or maybe not if your son is 22?)
Higher water bill
(Slightly) higher electricity bill
(Slightly) higher gas bill

Put a figure on it. Say £X.

He will be better off:-
No rent
No council tax
No bills

Again put a figure on it. Say £Y.

Hopefully Y is bigger than X. (Or you should probably reconsider.)

He should pay you

X + 0.5(Y-X)

And you will both be

0.5(Y-X) better off.

Then you just need to figure out food bills etc.

Mickey79 · 24/06/2024 18:12

I’d have said he pays 1/5. There are going to be five people in the household all using the utilities, food, subscriptions etc. He will be subsidising everyone else if he pays a third.

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