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to want my friend to talk about something other than her queer identity

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threadingtheneedle · 24/06/2024 17:44

A close friend has recently moved into my city so we've been seeing each other a lot more frequently. Before this, we'd see each other 2-3 times a year for a catch up as we lived several hours away from each other.

I've increasingly noticed that in every single conversation we have, no matter what topic, she brings up her queer identity and being a gay woman. I found this really interesting at first, but now it is taking over every conversation.

I know this is something that is important to her, but it truly has become her entire personality, and if I'm being totally honest, it's becoming incredibly boring having the same conversation over and over again. I think there may be an element of narcissism here too, she's always been very focused on herself and not the most empathetic person.

I have several close friends, colleagues and a sibling who are part of the LGBTQ+ community, it's incredibly normal to me to be surrounded by members of the community and have these kinds of discussions, but these people also manage to have other aspects to their personality!

Can I say anything without sounding homophobic or mean? How can I try and coax her to talk about other aspects of her life without inevitably ending up in the same conversation over and over again?

OP posts:
MoiraPose · 01/07/2024 14:49

TheCadoganArms · 01/07/2024 08:53

A few years ago we had a 'queer' person join our sports club and in similar fashion every conversation had to have said 'queerness' shoehorned into it. We also have a large LGB contingent down the club and they could not stand her as she was just a single issue very boring person who thought she was special. She joined the committee and again her only goal was 'raising awareness' rather then running the club efficiently. She flounced from the club when her proposal to replace the club flag with a pride flag was voted down. We have strict rules on being apolitical and we don't change the flag for anyone or anything.

Good on you. The constant flag waving is becoming increasingly unbearable.

MoiraPose · 01/07/2024 14:48

@Jacopo as a lesbian living in Yorkshire your comment made me laugh. I'm not a vegan though-so there's that!

Seriously though it's one thing mentioning one's general life in conversation (e.g. me saying "my girlfriend and I saw that show last week") versus the constant "well as a lesbian I think..." sometimes I wonder if it's because this is the first time in history people have been able to openly talk about it and so a lot of people have not learnt to self-regulate yet?

I always say that my sexuality is one of the most boring aspects of my identity-and as a few posters have pointed out, identity is often mistaken for personality these days.

Didimum · 01/07/2024 14:42

People tend to talk about what they are still working through in their lives – be that dating, a relationship, a career chance or anything else of significance that they are either struggling with or still exploring. And yes, some people do get bored of their friends talking excessively about any one aspect of their life – whether it's a relationship, a job, or anything else. Either talk to her about it, keep tactfully changing the subject or drop her.

AthenaBasil · 01/07/2024 14:40

It’s always boring when people make something like this their whole identity. I knew someone who could only talk about their mental health. I’d be updated on their meds and lots of things, it’s all they could talk about.

Hispi · 01/07/2024 14:32

I had a lovely work friend who was really down to earth, hilarious and intelligent.
She got really into being ‘queer’ despite being married to a man, and became a bit like this. I’m bi and my Dad came out later in life so am no stranger to the issues but tbh it’s not stuff I want to revisit over and over. I used to change the subject if it went on longer than 5 mins and she gradually got bored of it and moved onto other concerns which were more current.

AstronomyDomine · 01/07/2024 14:31

Tarquina · 24/06/2024 18:57

My sister had rather messy divorce 37 years ago, involving private detectives, money being hidden, him having an affair etc. Every single time we have a conversation she will pick on some detail of this divorce and go on and on and on and on about it. She hasn't seen the man for 37 years

@Tarquina likewise. 27 years for my older sister (private detectives, landlines bugged, money, he was having an affair too) bangs on about nothing else. We did this, we did that ... it was 1997 ffs, leave it now, please.
I refer to her as Miss Havisham on the quiet.

Staplerandstappler · 01/07/2024 14:26

It’s very dull when someone only talks about one topic or chooses one issue and makes it their personality.

I have a good friend who divorced about eight years ago. It was a very difficult time for her, and really happy to support her but she is still going on and on and on about it.

Theres nothing to say either, she has a good relationship with her ex, is in a good place professionally, I don’t know why it’s the topic of every conversation.

lamppostliving · 01/07/2024 14:22

DanielGault · 24/06/2024 18:33

I think queer was reclaimed from the original horrible meaning though. So it's not necessarily awful for people to use it. I'm not gay though, so that's just my interpretation.

Nah, it used to be a slur used against gay man and lesbians.

Now its being used by straight people with 'identities' .

That's not reclaiming, that's appropriation.

BruFord · 01/07/2024 14:17

'As a woman who likes cock I'm making a pink trouser suit, Esme'.

🤣🤣 It sounds v. boring, OP, I’d meet up less often and see whether the friendship survives. You don’t have to spend time with someone who bores you.

Thedayb4youcame · 01/07/2024 14:11

burnoutbabe · 01/07/2024 14:02

I think the location. Location example is actually fair enough (if it was the 4 female one based in Brighton)

Brighton is a good place to live if gay as it's very open and couples holding hands in public is normal.

That sadly is probably not the case in a lot of places in the uk.

No, it wasn't. It was a single young woman who made it sound that being "queer" brought with it a set requirements that others wouldn't understand.

Cliedi · 01/07/2024 14:11

How dull! It seems that being queer has turned into the new goth and it’s more about being part of a gang than about your actual sexuality. It seems that some people who just want to fit in some make up some rubbish about being non-binary or pansexual that doesn’t involve any gender changing or actually having relationships with the opposite sex.

I’m bisexual but I married a man so it has literally no relevance to my life now so I’m most people I’ve met in the last 15 years would have no idea at all. I don’t shy away from it if there was ever a reason to bring it up (e.g talking about past relationships) but there generally isn’t. Unless we get divorced it will stay that way.

queenofthewild · 01/07/2024 14:07

I have a friend who is exactly the same.

She was like it a few years back when she found god.

It's her latest obsession. She'll move on when something more exciting takes her interest.

burnoutbabe · 01/07/2024 14:02

I think the location. Location example is actually fair enough (if it was the 4 female one based in Brighton)

Brighton is a good place to live if gay as it's very open and couples holding hands in public is normal.

That sadly is probably not the case in a lot of places in the uk.

Thedayb4youcame · 01/07/2024 13:45

Mauhea · 01/07/2024 12:57

My aunt is similar. She somewhat recently embraced her lesbianism and manages to shoehorn it in to literally every conversation and on the family chat constantly. It has become pretty much the majority of her personality which would be fine if she wasn't so grossly misandristic about it too. So many comments about how much better being in a relationship with a woman is, ooh yeah this woman can use a drill and top up the oil in the car (which is apparently a purely lesbian trait worthy of celebrating) and generally shitting on blokes.

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I'm afraid she wouldn't like me...I have a very broad but even more so random set of skills that cross the previously "gender defined roles". As in, you won't get me touching anything under the bonnet of a car, but I'm equally at home using the washing machine as I am mending it. Currently in the process of putting up shelves so that I can put the ironing away.

And I can't cook.

Thedayb4youcame · 01/07/2024 13:42

Ketzele · 01/07/2024 13:15

Is she quite recently out? I came out over 40 years ago and tbh I think I was the 'only lesbian in the village' for quite a while. I must have been v tedious, but at least I was a bit of a novelty.

It did wear off, though. There's only so much to say, and after a while I bored myself.

Gay male mid forties here. Reminds me of the final episode of The Smoking Room, where Robin was accidentally outed, and then had to admit that it was clear everyone knew anyway. He became just a little too forward in one of his conversations, which resulted in Len the security guard leaning over and saying:

"Well done on coming out lad...but go back in a bit".

There are so many times when I've trotted that line out in my head, in reaction to what I have seen or heard...never least the episode of Location, Location, Location, where a young lass brought her queer [sic] status into the mix of factors that are are important to her choices.

No, me neither. 🤔

Hillarious · 01/07/2024 13:32

Murfmeister · 01/07/2024 12:43

That did make me laugh!!

Obviously, the answer would be Yorkshire. Why even mention anything else?? 😁

I'm with @Murfmeister

QueenBitch666 · 01/07/2024 13:21

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 01/07/2024 02:59

I get this all the time with vegans, which is why I've gradually manoeuvred every single one of them out of my life.

Good luck OP.

Can't imagine they're missing you 🤣

Ketzele · 01/07/2024 13:15

Is she quite recently out? I came out over 40 years ago and tbh I think I was the 'only lesbian in the village' for quite a while. I must have been v tedious, but at least I was a bit of a novelty.

It did wear off, though. There's only so much to say, and after a while I bored myself.

Mauhea · 01/07/2024 12:57

My aunt is similar. She somewhat recently embraced her lesbianism and manages to shoehorn it in to literally every conversation and on the family chat constantly. It has become pretty much the majority of her personality which would be fine if she wasn't so grossly misandristic about it too. So many comments about how much better being in a relationship with a woman is, ooh yeah this woman can use a drill and top up the oil in the car (which is apparently a purely lesbian trait worthy of celebrating) and generally shitting on blokes.

Lavengro · 01/07/2024 12:49

My DC's friends are like this. But they're teenagers and will hopefully grow out of it.

Murfmeister · 01/07/2024 12:43

Jacopo · 01/07/2024 08:32

Let’s hope she’s not from Yorkshire as well or her head will explode trying to decide what to mention first.

That did make me laugh!!

Obviously, the answer would be Yorkshire. Why even mention anything else?? 😁

Thedayb4youcame · 01/07/2024 12:28

Andthereitis · 01/07/2024 11:55

We knew a couple with a holiday home in France. Honestly she would get it into every conversation within the first three sentences.

It was probably as annoying as your friend's conversation. We just laughed in the end about it and mixed with her less.

Edited

😆😅😂

This reminds me of Vera from the 80s/90s sitcom After Henry, who at every opportunity would "My daughter Trisha, who's married to a merchant banker..."

SquirrelSoShiny · 01/07/2024 11:57

asterel · 24/06/2024 18:17

God how irritating, I’m bisexual but the last thing I feel I am is either the (old-fashioned slur) “queer”, or part of any “community”. But these days everyone is encouraged to “identify” as “queer” whether or not they’re actually gay or lesbian or bi (I know plenty of straight people who now “identify” as “queer” for example).

I find it all so massively tedious and self-absorbed, but then I’m from that generation of people who just wanted loving someone of the same sex to be as possible, normal and as unremarkable as for everyone else, not somehow to render you part of a (cringey) special identity/community/marginalised group.

There’s a reason why many gay, lesbian and bisexual people don’t like the word “queer” (which of course meant sideways, odd, strange or not normal). Why can’t people with same-sex partners just be boringly like everybody else so that sexuality isn’t a big deal? That’s my generation’s take on it and I’m only in my forties!

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This 100%.

Andthereitis · 01/07/2024 11:55

We knew a couple with a holiday home in France. Honestly she would get it into every conversation within the first three sentences.

It was probably as annoying as your friend's conversation. We just laughed in the end about it and mixed with her less.

Jumpingthruhoops · 01/07/2024 11:48

WayOutOfLine · 01/07/2024 09:39

Mumsnet is a site where at least half the posts are people wanging on about their husbands- what you do you mean you don't mention your sexuality ever?!

Perhaps she's boring, perhaps she's not as good a friend as you thought (so please don't arrange to see her much) but she may just be talking about her life, her partners, her love life, her daily life, things hetero people go on about just as much but don't think they are talking about their 'sexuality'.

Just a thought.

Talking about my 'husband' isn't 'wanging on' about my sexuality - that just happens to be how I refer to the man I'm married to.
I have a gay friend, who refers to his husband all the time - he's not highlighting he is gay, just mentioning the man he's married to. No difference. Why? Because we are both more than who we are sleeping with.

However, as PP have said, there is a growing faction who's very existence is about their 'queerness' and making sure people use their 'preferred pronouns' and condemning anyone who doesn't conform to this ideology as a bigot. When, in reality, it's just not something most people think about.

As others have said, these people are 100% using their identity to make up for their lack of personality.

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