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Sharing pavements with cyclists and scooters is frightening

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Longlazyday · 24/06/2024 16:37

Particularly the proliferation of motorised scooters and bicycles, and delivery people using these modes of transport and needing to be quick.

See the right of children to run freely on pavements and precincts, and people in general to walk without needing to be on high alert has been eroded.

What’s my point? Why is this considered to be reasonable. Why not just declare full on Mad Max.

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Riversideandrelax · 24/06/2024 22:31

DexaVooveQhodu · 24/06/2024 17:07

E-scooters are as illegal to drive on a pavement as a motorbike or car.

Cycles can use a pavement if there are signs up showing it's an official shared-use route but should generally be careful and considerate of more vulnerable pedestrians.

Pedestrians shouldn't wander four-abrest on a shared use path leaving no space for cycles to pass them safely, nor let their dog scamper freely along risking a them causing an accident with a cyclist.

Except the ones you hire which can as far as I know. Otherwise where would you ride them? Because they're usually in pedestrianised places.

SinnerBoy · 24/06/2024 22:25

viques · Today 19:51

We have a pathetic exhibitionist loser someone in our area who rides around on one of those electric unicycle things.

You're not in North Tyneside, are you? We have one who weaves in and out of pedestrians at high speed. I'm constantly hoping he'll have to do an emergency stop and dent the pavement with his face.

HouseFullOfChaos · 24/06/2024 22:25

ToplessWordle · 24/06/2024 19:25

I think bikes/electric bikes/scooters have a lot of potential for reducing the carbon emissions generated by transport, and congestion on the roads. But they need to be ridden away from pedestrians.

Most roads in towns have a pavement on each side - how about one pavement (perhaps with a blue line painted along it) being exclusively for pedestrians (and, realistically, small children on their scooters and bikes), and the pavement on the other side of the road (painted with a red line along it) for the use of cyclists, scooter riders etc.

This. Why hasn't this become a thing throughout the whole of Britain. I don't cycle at all because I'm terrified of cycling on the roads. If this was implemented I would buy a bike tomorrow.

bluebeck · 24/06/2024 22:15

YANBU

Every time I have to use those shared spaces in north London I think “this is how I am going to die…”

Chipsforteaagain · 24/06/2024 22:14

a lot of shared paths here have no such segregation, and where there is the cyclists keep to their side, and the pedestrians are often totally oblivious to what is going on. Proper segregation such as they have in the Netherlands would be excellent for all.

PickAChew · 24/06/2024 22:11

Bruisername · 24/06/2024 19:54

There should be a speed limit on pavements!! What’s a fast walking pace?

joggers can be a menace too. One knocked my dd over and swore at us for daring to walk on the pavement when we weren’t even covering half of the width but it just so happened that people were walking the other way and he couldn’t possibly wait so barged through and floored a 3 year old.

Respectful joggers will go in the road or if that isn’t safe just hang back until the gap forms.

The highway code has guidance which a lot of cyclists clearly haven't read.

Sharing pavements with cyclists and scooters is frightening
Sharing pavements with cyclists and scooters is frightening
DuesToTheDirt · 24/06/2024 21:21

PickAChew · 24/06/2024 18:01

The busy but fairly narrow road outside my house has a wide enough footpath on our side to facilitate pavement parking and the police have done door to doors when people have been daft enough to park all the way into the road as it causes massive tailbacks and they're in danger of getting their car dinged.

The local high street is a different story, though. Loads of parking but the pavement parking has been such a big problem that the council have installed bollards to prevent it.

We now have a pavement parking ban in my city, with £100 fine if you're caught. The result is that on narrow roads with wide pavements where pavement parking was sensible, people don't do it any more - instead there are roads that large vehicles can't get down, cars scraping each other as they try to get through, missed bin collections as the bin lorries can't make it. The next stage of course will be double yellows on all these roads.

Chipsforteaagain · 24/06/2024 20:57

Putting · 24/06/2024 20:41

How else are people expected to get their dogs to places if a shared pathway is the only option? Perfectly normal to walk a dog on a pavement!

A shared pathway shouldn’t be the only option. Dedicated pavements should be solely for the use of pedestrians, buggies and wheelchairs and small kids on bikes / scooters and dogs, and not adults on bikes or scooters or anything electric. Or parked cars, or roadwork signs (this one really annoys me. We have roadwork signs blocking the pavement so buggies have to go in the road. I move them every fucking time!).

Shared pathways should be dedicated transport routes, ideally away from anywhere a pedestrian would want to stroll. not something a council slaps some paint on and claims they’ve met their eco targets. That’s just dangerous.

Putting · 24/06/2024 20:41

Chipsforteaagain · 24/06/2024 20:36

Walking dogs on shared pathways ought to be banned obviously. It’s such a daft thing to do. Shared routes are transporting bikes and pedestrians.

How else are people expected to get their dogs to places if a shared pathway is the only option? Perfectly normal to walk a dog on a pavement!

Chipsforteaagain · 24/06/2024 20:36

Willmafrockfit · 24/06/2024 20:27

we walk our dog on a shared pathway with horses and bicycles,
that can be annoying,
they might ring their bell but not everyone can hear them!

Walking dogs on shared pathways ought to be banned obviously. It’s such a daft thing to do. Shared routes are transporting bikes and pedestrians.

noctilucentcloud · 24/06/2024 20:35

MrsCarson · 24/06/2024 17:31

So does mine. She also has a fracture in her back now, so is terrified of scooters, bikes and people who have their dogs on extended leads.
One fall can kill for many elderly, fractures, time in hospital and they end up with pneumonia and die.
Bell ringing doesn't do anything for me and other hearing impaired people walking.

Elderly people can also be less steady on their feet or have balance issues which make them more likely to fall as well as coming off worse if they do fall. I have balance issues myself and shared pavements are not great.

Willmafrockfit · 24/06/2024 20:27

we walk our dog on a shared pathway with horses and bicycles,
that can be annoying,
they might ring their bell but not everyone can hear them!

Willmafrockfit · 24/06/2024 20:25

a man nearly walked into me today while looking at his phone!
that is Annoying

Nannyfannybanny · 24/06/2024 20:15

My DH used to cycle to work 6 months of the year. We cycled every weekend off road. He's done the London to Brighton several times. We don't ride on pavements. We live in a village,SE UK, the main road has cycle lanes, and people still use the pavement. There are no 7 young kids,under 12, probably under 10,who thunder along on electric scooters!

Allfur · 24/06/2024 20:14

I wush the police would stop drivers using their phones, jumping red lights , turning without indicating, over taking and cutting across, speeding, tail gating etc - just general dangerous driving that kills.

Ariel45 · 24/06/2024 20:10

Chipsforteaagain · 24/06/2024 19:58

And pedestrians on shared use paths with headphones on are just total idiots.

The number of people with headphones on and simultaneously stating at their phone does my head in. I use bone conducting headphones and can hear everything around me.

I HATE bicycles and electric scooters on pavements. All it takes is for them to try and pass and for my 5yo to move a step to the left for him to get hit from behind.

I wish the police would stop people cycling/scootering on pavements.

camelfinger · 24/06/2024 20:09

It’s nearly always teen boys/young men who do this. TBH they are probably the dangerous drivers too.

SwayingInTime · 24/06/2024 20:08

Chipsforteaagain · 24/06/2024 19:59

Yes! You see the 5 year old cycling along but their parent is cycling on the pavement too! Cycle beside the pavement in the road fgs!

This really doesn't work when you come up to side roads

viques · 24/06/2024 20:07

Chipsforteaagain · 24/06/2024 20:03

yes but they are not able to look over their shoulder before deciding to change direction and have made themselves unable to hear a bike bell on purpose.

Ok , yes, they should be more aware of their surroundings, but I still don’t think that means you should be cycling fast on a pedestrian footpath, despite what the council say!

Chipsforteaagain · 24/06/2024 20:03

viques · 24/06/2024 19:59

Why is this? Are you not able to steer?

yes but they are not able to look over their shoulder before deciding to change direction and have made themselves unable to hear a bike bell on purpose.

viques · 24/06/2024 19:59

Chipsforteaagain · 24/06/2024 19:58

And pedestrians on shared use paths with headphones on are just total idiots.

Why is this? Are you not able to steer?

Chipsforteaagain · 24/06/2024 19:59

NotTooOldPaul · 24/06/2024 19:54

I am a cyclist and I hate people who cycle on pavements. If I see a pavement marked to be shared, I ignore it and use the road as I don't want to scare or injure a pedestrian.
We need a clear law banning bikes and scooters on pavements for any rider over 5 years of age.

Yes! You see the 5 year old cycling along but their parent is cycling on the pavement too! Cycle beside the pavement in the road fgs!

Chipsforteaagain · 24/06/2024 19:58

And pedestrians on shared use paths with headphones on are just total idiots.

Chipsforteaagain · 24/06/2024 19:56

ruby1957 · 24/06/2024 17:38

But it is not just the odd cyclist on a pavement any more.

Nowadays, canal towpaths, seaside promenades and narrow footpaths in towns are no longer the place for pedestrians to stroll.

They have been designated shared use by default because cyclists are using them as if they were bike lanes.

I can remember back when seaside promenades were a way for families and elderly people could walk in safety next to the beach - what a shame this simple pleasure has been ruined.

As I see it, councils were tasked with 'going green' to encourage cycling and reduce the number of cars. Because having dedicated cycle lanes like the Netherlands was costly - they decided in their wisdom to denote any wide footpath, pavement, promenade and tow path should be by 'share with care'.

The problem with that is that cyclists being faster, heavier and slightly arrogant, don't care enough to share nicely with vulnerable human beings.

Cyclist, used to commute and cycle really fast on a promenade, because I was trying to get to work and the other option was a dual carriage way that seems to average one cycle commuter death a year. When you complain, the council points to the prom path. So what are you supposed to do? I need to get to work quickly (after dropping off at breakfast club), I need to be able to cycle quickly to work and am using the facilities designated by the council
for this purpose. If you don’t like it there are other pavements you can use (but I can’t).

I loathe pavement cyclists, and think e-bikes should be treated the same as cars. Escooters are still illegal though aren’t they?

BeansOnToast32 · 24/06/2024 19:55

Cyclists are very inconsiderate around here, I can see at least 10 every dog walk, the paths are narrow and they just come zooming around blind bends without caring about pedestrians. It's also a path used by lots of small children because it leads to a school.

I have very good hearing and usually hear them coming from quite far away but some of these new bikes are really quiet and you don't hear them until they are virtually on top of you.

Weekend mornings in the summer are the worst because they seem to cycle round at full speed in packs of 6-10 shouting to each other. They never slow to pass people and just expect everyone to jump out of their way.