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Would you be able to be honest with this mum

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dilemalema · 24/06/2024 13:05

Hello

So my dd has had a male best friend (let's call him Dave) since beginning of primary school. They are now in secondary school and have remained friends but not best friends.

We have spent lots of time with this family over the years and it's all been great. Dd and Dave were always round at each other's houses and spent lots of time together. Dd has other friends but Dave does struggle with this and can be quite isolated.

A few months ago dd told me Dave had told her he likes her more than friends and she had told him she doesn't feel the same. They are only still early secondary for info. Dd is not into boys yet. Well apart from pop stars.

Dave's mum invited us round a short while after that and dd asked me to make an excuse not to go. I found this odd as dd would normally like going to see Dave. I asked dd to be honest with me as I had noticed she was more distant with Dave recently. Dd said Dave had been saying that he liked her and talking about thinking about her a lot, even at night and how he can imagine them being together etc this happened a few times after she made it clear this is not what she wanted. I advised dd that she did the right thing distancing herself as it made her uncomfortable. I then made an excuse to Dave's mum.

Since then Dave's mum has invited us round or to meet at places a few times and I have made more excuses but I think she is getting a bit suspicious.

Last week dd and a female friend were laughing about what some of the boys at school say to girls. I was with them so they were not hiding this. Female friend then said to dd "can't believe what Dave said to you urrrghhh". I asked what it was and dd laughed and female friend said "I can't tell you but it's not appropriate trust me" then laughed. I did push a little bit but left it alone as I didn't want to upset dd. I did have a hard word about boys making them uncomfortable and to be confident in telling them to stop and telling an adult and so on.

Me and a few friends, including Dave's mum, are due to go on a weekend away soon and I think that dd being distant and the excuses may come up. I'm not very good at being honest in such situations and hate conflict. I'm a people pleaser to my own detriment and it stems from childhood trauma but that's a different story. However, I need my dd to know I have her back and il always protect her. Plus I feel like I need to show her we as women should be confident to challenge this sort of behaviour. When she has made it clear this behaviour is unwanted I want her to be able to tell the person to stop unapologetically. I can't even do it so it's a big ask.
I really like Dave's mum but I don't think the truth will go down well and I know she has enough rubbish going on in her life and our friendship is important to us both.

What would you all do in this situation.
Aibu to keep making excuses and hope she stops asking us to spend time together.

OP posts:
Sj07 · 28/06/2024 15:43

You say exactly what you said in the second to last paragraph.. At some point when the two of you are alone just say hey daves mum, I know we've been a bit distant recently, and have had to turn down a few play dates, I'm sorry about that, I've missed seeing you guys however dd has told me that dave has confided in her that he likes her as more than a friend and she's not feeling it, at this young age she has struggled to let him down gently whilst also remaining friends and feels a little uncomfortable/embarrassed. She's not really into boys yet, hopefully it's something they can both get over and the friendship will continue, until then we can still catch up and have our coffee dates, our friendship is important to me and I love spending time with you.

I'm sure she would have a work with dave on her return home and explain to him gently that your dd is not interested and he shouldn't pursue it. If she does take it the wrong way and become offended then you point out that her son had a similar reaction and that's why your dd no longer feels comfortable around him.

curious79 · 28/06/2024 06:49

I took the tack of being direct / honest with a friend when her son had said something v inappropriate to my dd- along the vein of this happened, would be good for him to understand girls don’t like that (so not accusatory or aggressive). She reacted v badly, accused my dd of making the incident up, and didn’t speak to me for c9mths

so far experience tells me parents aren’t very receptive to hearing counter views on their children.

i would be woolly and avoidant with this mum unless she asks directly, and even then I might just be a bit evasive

Decompressing2 · 28/06/2024 06:42

SummerBarbecues · 24/06/2024 13:54

I think just be honest about it. Say Dave wants a romantic relationship while your DD doens't. If you keep coming up with excuses, she might press on which leads to more lies.

This - you are making it worse by giving excuses

Trytobekinder · 28/06/2024 06:13

My son had the odd unrequited crush as a school boy. He asked them out and got turned down. He took it on the chin and didn't ask again. Years later he is still friendly with one of them because he understands boundaries. I'd be appalled if he he'd been badgering some girl.

Probablyfinebutworried · 28/06/2024 01:03

You say you're a people pleaser, but ignoring the woman because you're too wet to give a basic explanation that her son's affections aren't returned by your daughter isn't 'pleasing' it's just annoying and rude.

Lesleymumof3kids · 27/06/2024 23:34

Tell Dave's mum that Dave has a crush on her and it's making her uncomfortable as the feelings are not reciprocated. And she needs a bit of space till things cool down and is feeling a bit weird about their friendship at the moment. And reassure her things may go back to normal once he has a girlfriend or another girl interest.

Flopsythebunny · 24/06/2024 22:01

Hoppinggreen · 24/06/2024 13:13

Be very breezy
"well friendships do change don't they, its a shame but they seem to have outgrown eachother a bit. Its not unusual for things to change once they hit high school"
And move on
Also, make sure your DD knows its ok to have cast iron boundaries that she doesnt have to break just because she used to be close to this boy

Absolutely not. Op needs to be honest with daves mum so that she can talk to dave.
If his mum doesn't tell him that he's being inapropriate and that it has to stop, it will just carry on

ToffeePennie · 24/06/2024 21:15

Just tell her the truth.
“yeah, we have been distant because Dave told Claire he fancies her, but Claire doesn’t fancy him. I think he’s a great kid, but we have to respect everyone’s wishes including Claire’s and she’s asked me to try and help to maintain a safe distance for her.” Then you beandip.

noctilucentcloud · 24/06/2024 20:56

Fraaahnces · 24/06/2024 14:47

@FluentRubyDog i was raped at the same age by the family friend because our parents thought it was cute that he had a crush on me. That’s why I feel so strongly about this. He acted very similarly to this kid. Constantly saying what he wanted to do to me every time he saw me. Sending me letters, etc. (pre-phones) Creeped me out and nobody took my feelings seriously.

I'm sorry this happened to you. I think that this situation is different though, OP has heard her daughter and is not making her have contact with Dave. I think she also sounds like she's keeping the lines of communication with her daughter open in case Daves behaviour continues or escalates in any way.

TheaBrandt · 24/06/2024 20:31

I think I wouldn’t be smiley people pleasery about it. I would say clearly and firmly she doesn’t want spend time with him any more and her choice needs to be respected. It would do no harm if mum were given a gentle heads up. There’s another thread of mums of boys asking how to break the cycle - they can’t do this if they don’t even know.

Dd2 who is 15 met the mother of a boy of her acquaintance at a party she was waitressing at and the mum fluttered on about how she was sure all the girls just loved her son. He’s actually a vile misogynist no girl would touch with a barge pole but the mum oblivious and dd was too polite to say the truth.

lemonstolemonade · 24/06/2024 20:18

I think that Dave's mum should know, in an appropriate way, that the friendship has cooled because they both want different things.

Ultimately, she probably wants to support him because he has lost a close friendship (that she doesn't know he also wanted to make into something else) and is worried that he is lonely. She's not a monster. I'd tell her that the friendship has cooled because they wanted different things so you'd prefer not to meet with the children for now but that you'd still like to see her.

Gymnopedie · 24/06/2024 19:11

'i think dd reckons he's got a crush on her and she's not keen'. In a pretty light-hearted way, like 'lol, kids, eh?'

Absolutely not. Why are you putting the responsibility on the DD?

One, she doesn't 'reckon', she knows. Two, this isn't lighthearted. He's not taking no for an answer and is pestering DD.

OP doesn't need to be graphic but she does need to be accurate and to convey the truth.

TimetoPour · 24/06/2024 19:06

Bearpawk · 24/06/2024 13:08

I personally don't think it needs to be such a big deal.
"Actually Dave seems to have feelings for DD which aren't reciprocated so she feels more comfortable keeping a distance for now, which I fully support"

This

Buryyiirwhat · 24/06/2024 19:03

It’s not a big deal -
tell the mum that Dave has romantic feelings for your DD and it’s not reciprocated.
Thats it.
And back your DD to the Hilton this one, she doesn’t need to be kind or accommodate Dave in anyway…

AstonMartha · 24/06/2024 18:37

You are punishing Dave’s mum for her son’s behaviour and not telling her why you are distancing yourself. She can’t make it right if she doesn’t know about it.

I have both sons and daughters, I get it but give her a chance.

MatildaTheCat · 24/06/2024 18:30

There will almost always come a point when your friendship with the mother of your DC’s friend will change and become a separate thing. I’d reiterate one of the messages above and also say very warmly that this in no way changes your friendship.

cheddercherry · 24/06/2024 18:15

As a boy mum I would want to know, especially from a close friend. People can trivialise his behaviour but the persistence after being clearly told no several times needs addressing while he’s still young and working out how to form and develop relationships.

fliptopbin · 24/06/2024 16:26

I would talk to your daughter and find out what she wants you to say. To be honest, I would think that if your friend considers things, especially if she talks to her son and he reacts defensively, as he probably would, she will probably be able to take a good guess at what has happened.

Eeeden · 24/06/2024 16:16

I'd keep out of it. You don't need to go running to his mother. Your DD is fine.

diddl · 24/06/2024 16:13

From what I can gather the comment was sexual that Dave made. The kids are 12.

Bloody hell I'm getting old!

paasll · 24/06/2024 15:36

FuzzyStripes · 24/06/2024 15:12

I agree with a simple but straightforward “Dave has told DD he wants more than friendship but she doesn’t. This seems to have cooled their friendship for now.”

Agree also. No need for more details

imworkinglatecosimasinger · 24/06/2024 15:29

veryCrossMrFlibble · 24/06/2024 13:10

Yes just tell her the headlines, you don't have to go into details. It's not unexpected given their age, things change.

This

dilemalema · 24/06/2024 15:24

Thank you all for your help.

The girls were laughing at the fact the boys had been making sexual comments about some of the girls. I think it's fine to laugh at that and then I spoke to them about how it's not ok. They were laughing as in thinking the boys were pathetic. The girls are not making unwanted comments about the boys, especially not in front of them.

From what I can gather the comment was sexual that Dave made. The kids are 12.
I'm going to do as people have said and il remind dd to speak up to me and him

OP posts:
LemonCitron · 24/06/2024 15:16

Regarding the question in your OP, I think it's easier to be honest about this issue (he likes her and she doesn't feel the same way) than other potential scenarios (eg one of them is bullying the other). This seems quite straightforward and easy to understand.

FuzzyStripes · 24/06/2024 15:12

I agree with a simple but straightforward “Dave has told DD he wants more than friendship but she doesn’t. This seems to have cooled their friendship for now.”