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Would you be able to be honest with this mum

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dilemalema · 24/06/2024 13:05

Hello

So my dd has had a male best friend (let's call him Dave) since beginning of primary school. They are now in secondary school and have remained friends but not best friends.

We have spent lots of time with this family over the years and it's all been great. Dd and Dave were always round at each other's houses and spent lots of time together. Dd has other friends but Dave does struggle with this and can be quite isolated.

A few months ago dd told me Dave had told her he likes her more than friends and she had told him she doesn't feel the same. They are only still early secondary for info. Dd is not into boys yet. Well apart from pop stars.

Dave's mum invited us round a short while after that and dd asked me to make an excuse not to go. I found this odd as dd would normally like going to see Dave. I asked dd to be honest with me as I had noticed she was more distant with Dave recently. Dd said Dave had been saying that he liked her and talking about thinking about her a lot, even at night and how he can imagine them being together etc this happened a few times after she made it clear this is not what she wanted. I advised dd that she did the right thing distancing herself as it made her uncomfortable. I then made an excuse to Dave's mum.

Since then Dave's mum has invited us round or to meet at places a few times and I have made more excuses but I think she is getting a bit suspicious.

Last week dd and a female friend were laughing about what some of the boys at school say to girls. I was with them so they were not hiding this. Female friend then said to dd "can't believe what Dave said to you urrrghhh". I asked what it was and dd laughed and female friend said "I can't tell you but it's not appropriate trust me" then laughed. I did push a little bit but left it alone as I didn't want to upset dd. I did have a hard word about boys making them uncomfortable and to be confident in telling them to stop and telling an adult and so on.

Me and a few friends, including Dave's mum, are due to go on a weekend away soon and I think that dd being distant and the excuses may come up. I'm not very good at being honest in such situations and hate conflict. I'm a people pleaser to my own detriment and it stems from childhood trauma but that's a different story. However, I need my dd to know I have her back and il always protect her. Plus I feel like I need to show her we as women should be confident to challenge this sort of behaviour. When she has made it clear this behaviour is unwanted I want her to be able to tell the person to stop unapologetically. I can't even do it so it's a big ask.
I really like Dave's mum but I don't think the truth will go down well and I know she has enough rubbish going on in her life and our friendship is important to us both.

What would you all do in this situation.
Aibu to keep making excuses and hope she stops asking us to spend time together.

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Goodtogossip · 01/07/2024 14:42

Wait til Dave's Mum brings it up & just tell her that Dave has said he has feelings for her in more than a friendship way & your Daughter is taking a step back from their friendship as it's made her feel a bit uncomfortable & doesn't want it to be awkward between them. Explain that you've encourage this so your daughter can carry on being friends with Dave but it isn't giving him false hope that they can be anything more than just friends.

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 30/06/2024 11:47

PloddingAlong21 · 30/06/2024 08:21

Not a big deal:

”we’ll Dave has told dd he has feelings for her beyond friendship. Dd has told him those feelings aren’t reciprocated so think maybe it’s a little awkward between them whilst they navigate this one. I’m sure it will return to normal and they’ll hang out again soon.”

Perfect response

babadumm · 30/06/2024 11:20

MMAS · 29/06/2024 22:14

I'd be finding out what it was he actually said - without that you don't have a leg to stand on given you aren't confrontational. Without that knowledge you can't approach his mother. You have got to get that info from your daughter. If you think at all she is afraid then go to the local police station and ask advice - tell her you will do this if she won't tell you as this isn't going to go away. He will continue to stalk her

Yeah police valid if it was actual sexual harrassment but if it was just a teenager confessing a crush in not the most appropriate way, you'd sound totally mental.

PloddingAlong21 · 30/06/2024 08:21

Not a big deal:

”we’ll Dave has told dd he has feelings for her beyond friendship. Dd has told him those feelings aren’t reciprocated so think maybe it’s a little awkward between them whilst they navigate this one. I’m sure it will return to normal and they’ll hang out again soon.”

Laboheme78 · 29/06/2024 22:47

We had a similar situation with my DD (13). A very nice boy who she liked basically declared that he wanted them to be more than friends, she was not ready or interested in that. We talked about how important it was for her to just be honest but kind about it. He didn’t take it that well, blocked her on snapchat or something (which for teens it seems is quite drastic). I’m not really close to his parents but the boy moved on pretty quickly. Good luck. Really positive your daughter is telling you this stuff.

MMAS · 29/06/2024 22:14

I'd be finding out what it was he actually said - without that you don't have a leg to stand on given you aren't confrontational. Without that knowledge you can't approach his mother. You have got to get that info from your daughter. If you think at all she is afraid then go to the local police station and ask advice - tell her you will do this if she won't tell you as this isn't going to go away. He will continue to stalk her

babadumm · 29/06/2024 18:40

Big fat drip feed in OP's posts – from the boy having a crush to suddenly being a known sex pest. I really dislike these sort of drip feeding posters as you can never tell whether they're just adding bits to support their agenda/story.

theonlygirl · 29/06/2024 17:50

Fraaahnces · 24/06/2024 13:12

Frankly, Dave sounds like a wannabe sex pest.
I think you and your DD need to stop making excuses and start speaking frankly with the little twerp. He is using his friendship with her to make her feel guilty for not wanting to be frank with him for not wanting the same thing as him. Gross. There are overtones of entitlement and manipulation here. Also, it might be smart to explain to his mum after DD has had her say that you will not be fostering the friendship between them because as it stands it’s not a “harmless little crush” and you would really like to speak to her son about the way he speaks to your daughter and other young ladies as he clearly has issues.

Edited

a wanna be sex pest... little twerp, manipulation, seriously? Could he not just be a young boy navigating his feelings and puberty?

I have read your subsequent post and am very sorry that happened to you, but there's nothing similar in this boys behaviour from the OPs description.

TheaBrandt · 29/06/2024 14:40

God agree. I feel sorry for the young girls he perves and leers over not his grown ass adult mother who should have done a better job raising her son in the first place. She should know. Agree feel for op though being the messenger is never fun as they tend to get shot.

BirthdayRainbow · 29/06/2024 14:19

Feeling sorry for her is daft. You should feel sorry for the girls that he is making feel uncomfortable. You can suggest what the mother should do but she's not the one who deserves your pity.

AgileMentor · 29/06/2024 13:00

She told him she isn’t interested and he’s pushing and pushing. I don’t think it’s wrong to tell his mother that she is distancing herself because the feelings aren’t reciprocated and he’s making her uncomfortable.

LemonCitron · 29/06/2024 10:27

Yes, I feel sorry for her, but this makes it even more important that you are honest with her so she can have a stern word with her son and nip this behaviour in the bud.

dilemalema · 29/06/2024 10:18

Thanks again all.

I have not had chance to speak with Dave's mum yet but I intend to speak to her using a version of people's suggestions.

I think Dave's parents may be aware that there is some concerns because something else came out about him using inappropriate language towards another girl and unfortunately a written note was passed to parents and shared with others. I do feel sorry for Dave's mum in all this.

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Lotty101 · 29/06/2024 09:15

And this is when teen boys get the idea that they should keep persisting and that it’s ok to say inappropriate things to girls. You should say something because this boy needs to understand boundaries and respect for women. And the younger he can be taught that the better. We are too quick to dismiss things as being “just” “oh it’s just boys being boys” “oh they’re just young” OP has done right supporting her daughter in not being around Dave, but Mum does need to know because as parent she has responsibilities to yeah her son about respecting girls etc.

BirthdayRainbow · 29/06/2024 06:36

Sj07 · 28/06/2024 15:43

You say exactly what you said in the second to last paragraph.. At some point when the two of you are alone just say hey daves mum, I know we've been a bit distant recently, and have had to turn down a few play dates, I'm sorry about that, I've missed seeing you guys however dd has told me that dave has confided in her that he likes her as more than a friend and she's not feeling it, at this young age she has struggled to let him down gently whilst also remaining friends and feels a little uncomfortable/embarrassed. She's not really into boys yet, hopefully it's something they can both get over and the friendship will continue, until then we can still catch up and have our coffee dates, our friendship is important to me and I love spending time with you.

I'm sure she would have a work with dave on her return home and explain to him gently that your dd is not interested and he shouldn't pursue it. If she does take it the wrong way and become offended then you point out that her son had a similar reaction and that's why your dd no longer feels comfortable around him.

No not this either. It's all about how the DD does like Dave that way and nothing at all about him pressuring her and telling he what's he'd like to do to her FFS. They are 12!

BirthdayRainbow · 29/06/2024 06:34

Lesleymumof3kids · 27/06/2024 23:34

Tell Dave's mum that Dave has a crush on her and it's making her uncomfortable as the feelings are not reciprocated. And she needs a bit of space till things cool down and is feeling a bit weird about their friendship at the moment. And reassure her things may go back to normal once he has a girlfriend or another girl interest.

No. Not this.

BirthdayRainbow · 29/06/2024 06:29

saraclara · 24/06/2024 14:28

I'd go with that. Dave might not want his mum knowing about his crushes.

Tough. The safety and welL being of the DD is more important than Dave keeping his crushes secret.

edited to add, 12?! Bloody hell. For some reason I thought they were at 15. Dave is even more of a worry.

LovelyDaaling · 29/06/2024 06:20

Don't make up excuses if his mum brings up the subject. Tell her the basics and she'll stop inviting you and DD over.

Making excuses just prolongs the problem- as you have found out already.

TemuSpecialBuy · 29/06/2024 06:13

LostTheMarble · 24/06/2024 13:39

I’d probably be a bit blunt to be honest, I have sons and I’d want to know if they weren’t taking no for an answer from a girl. I’d probably say ‘daughter doesn’t want to come, Dave seems to have developed feelings for her (which of course can happen with teens), but he seems to be having difficulty letting go of the fact daughter isn’t interested. She’s not actually feeling comfortable talking to him due to him crossing boundaries, to be honest I’d be grateful if you had a word’. It may be bloody awkward but no one needs another lad turning into one of those men…

Yep.
This is much better than avoiding and declining which she will have NO clue why you are doing.

Dave needs to learn no means no.

i half blame shitty teen movies. Boys are essentially taught to hound and harass and wear down girls into saying yes (because they mean yes really even when they seem to be saying no)

DuvetCurtain · 29/06/2024 06:03

Hoppinggreen · 24/06/2024 13:13

Be very breezy
"well friendships do change don't they, its a shame but they seem to have outgrown eachother a bit. Its not unusual for things to change once they hit high school"
And move on
Also, make sure your DD knows its ok to have cast iron boundaries that she doesnt have to break just because she used to be close to this boy

Absolutely don’t say this. The other mum will think it’s something that can be fixed. It also gets Dave off the hook for all of the inappropriate things he’s been saying to your daughter.

If you want to do the right thing, you need to be honest. Tell her exactly what’s happened. She might not like it, but your loyalty is to your daughter.

Jenrht · 29/06/2024 05:49

I feel very sorry for Dave’s mum as she will not understand why her invitations to meet up are consistently being declined. Hoping she will stop asking is quite an unkind way to deal with the situation especially as you have all been friends for so long and shared many happy times together. This may have really upset her and she will be wondering what she or her family have done wrong.

It is therefore definitely better to address the issue rather than hope it goes away and there are many really helpful suggestions on here for how you should go about it.

labamba007 · 29/06/2024 04:56

LostTheMarble · 24/06/2024 13:39

I’d probably be a bit blunt to be honest, I have sons and I’d want to know if they weren’t taking no for an answer from a girl. I’d probably say ‘daughter doesn’t want to come, Dave seems to have developed feelings for her (which of course can happen with teens), but he seems to be having difficulty letting go of the fact daughter isn’t interested. She’s not actually feeling comfortable talking to him due to him crossing boundaries, to be honest I’d be grateful if you had a word’. It may be bloody awkward but no one needs another lad turning into one of those men…

This. I would want to know if my son was acting like this too.

Teapot13 · 29/06/2024 02:45

Depends on how much of a discussion you want to have with her, and how it’s likely to go. I always say (about mine) that with good, long-time friendships there are always ups and downs. You can leave it at that.

Justsomethoughts · 28/06/2024 16:28

@dilemalema just wanted to say your DD seems to have managed this really well from you’ve written. You’ve obviously done a great job in getting her to understand and act on what is and isn’t acceptable to her.

crostini · 28/06/2024 15:49

Yeah I wouldn't say he's been inappropriate with her at all.
But it she's asks if tell her he wants them to be more than friends and she doesn't. A normal adult woman will understand

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