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To be pissed off with transport for my SEN child?

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blackwhitegrey · 24/06/2024 12:18

Urgh. We live 2 miles from SEN autism school. DS14 has been there for 4 years and DH gave up work to look after him when mainstream failed him and he was at home for 2 years. He's doing really well at school now and really thriving. DH really wants to go back to work (and we REALLY need the money). He has been offered a job for September.

  • School transport refused as we live too close. They feel it's appropriate to expect a parent to take him to school and that's not disability discrimination (most 14yos don't have a parent walk them to school). Appeal done and refused.
  • can't pay for school taxi as it's not a guaranteed place and they don't accept applications until after October half term
  • can't pay for a private taxi as all the DBS drivers are doing LEA runs.
  • DS can't walk alone the 4 mile round trip as it's a main road, he's autistic, sensory averse, highly anxious and a flight risk
  • DS can't get the bus alone as it's too cognitively complex (plus anxious / sensory) and involves crossing 2 major roads.

DS is ok in the house for an hour ish pre and post school. He's pretty good / safe in the house. Would be fine getting dressed and waiting for taxi / waiting for me to get home 30 mins after drop off.

But out the house alone - total disaster.

What do we do??

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JADS · 24/06/2024 17:16

Does his school have an occupational therapist or ed psych attached to the school (not the LEA)? We were refused a Blue Badge and they wrote a letter about his issues with transport for us. They have taken him on a bus as part of his life skills so I don't know if that helped.

I'm so sorry. DH and I are HPC and we both work part time, have flexed everything we can and have an expensive after school nanny 2 days per week for our 13 year old. I couldn't work without school transport. I really feel for you and your husband. It's shit. Of course it's disability discrimination. Our local school is 500m from our door, he could be home alone after school if it wasn't for his SEN.

IdratherbeQuilting · 24/06/2024 17:11

Hi, I'm sure you know this (I've also been a SEN parent for 15 years - it doesn't get any easier, does it!) but the SEN Code of Practice says:

"Local authorities MUST ensure that suitable travel arrangements are made where necessary to facilitate an eligible child’s attendance at school. Section 508B of the Education Act 1996 requires local authorities to make such school travel arrangements as they consider necessary for children within their area. Such arrangements MUST be provided free of charge."

Is this what they're arguing is only guidance, not law?

I drive my son to school (9 miles) because he wouldn't cope on school transport. Can school offer evidence that he wouldn't be able to get to school by himself? I don't understand the logic of saying he would be able to if he had an adult with him. Sorry if you've already gone over this x

whyhavetheygotsomany · 24/06/2024 17:09

You can create a profile on childcare co.uk and look for a person to do this as a paid job. Would suit a retired person possibly that want to earn some extra cash

Scruffily · 24/06/2024 17:08

blackwhitegrey · 24/06/2024 17:02

@Scruffily so there has been a change this year in regard to only looking of a child could travel with an adult, not independently?

That makes sense. Although totally illogical. Looks like we're screwed then as I can't easily prove otherwise.

It helps to have independent evidence, and you could try the route of suggesting to the LA that they try taking your son on the bus if they think it's that easy. In this sort of case, it is likely that a court would give a lot of weight to your evidence. It's illogical to contend that parents in your position would actually discourage their child to learn to use public transport. I strongly suspect that a judge would accept that, if you could possibly get your son go to on public transport on his own, you would be doing that already, both for your own sake and his.

Scruffily · 24/06/2024 17:04

blackwhitegrey · 24/06/2024 16:48

@Nursingadvice we don't take him on public transport really as the idea is overwhelming. He won't even walk past people. He's scared of dogs out and about. He refuses walks. Gets DLA.

I don't have proof though. I don't have a professional saying he can't get on a bus even with an adult as no is involved once you get an autism diagnosis - you get discharged from everywhere years ago.

I gave them everything I had and described everything I could.

And even if he could with an adult (be dragged on) there isn't an adult. If there was, we'd continue taking him in the car. I just don't understand why having a cult is the deciding factor. If I had an adult free, I wouldn't be applying....?

You could try suggesting to the council that they do their own risk assessment, i.e. they get their own educational psychologist or travel trainer or road safety officer to try to take your son on the bus on the journey in question. If they can't get him on the bus, case proved.

blackwhitegrey · 24/06/2024 17:02

@Scruffily so there has been a change this year in regard to only looking of a child could travel with an adult, not independently?

That makes sense. Although totally illogical. Looks like we're screwed then as I can't easily prove otherwise.

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Scruffily · 24/06/2024 17:01

blackwhitegrey · 24/06/2024 16:37

But they aren't looking at whether DS can get to school independently. They only seem to be interested in whether he can do it with an adult. And if he can, he's not eligible (even though the adult can't be there??!)

Other people don't seem to be needing to fight against this fact in quite the same way and I don't know why?

They are adamant that if he can walk or be on a bus with an adult, he doesn't need transport as the adult can walk / take him on the bus (ignoring the fact I'd be driving him if I were there 🙄) and it's not unreasonable to expect an adult to do this regardless of any other circumstances (I'd agree with a primary child but not a 14/15/16)

I even just looked at a SEN solicitor page and it said the same??

www.senexpertsolicitors.co.uk/site/news/home-to-school-transport

Boyes Turner, the solicitor you referred to, do not offer legal aid and therefore tend not to bring judicial review challenges to potentially unlawful criteria like this. You need to go to one of the charities referred to, or solicitors with legal aid contracts like Irwin Mitchell, Simpson Millar, Watkins, Rook Irwin Sweeney etc.

PostItInABook · 24/06/2024 16:56

Alright….I’m just trying to help. I didn’t say you were stupid. No need for the arsey reply. Good luck to you.

Scruffily · 24/06/2024 16:54

FloofyBird · 24/06/2024 14:20

And when you're done with the pre action for juridical review letter get a formal complaint in and go to the Local Government and Social Care Ombudsman so they don't keep trying this nonsense with other families.

No, if a pre-action letter does not succeed the next step is to take the case to court. You can get legal aid in the child's name to pursue it.

The business about parents being expected to accompany teenagers to school happened after a change in the guidance issued in January. Previously the guidance said LAs could only expect this if it would be normal to expect children of that age to be accompanied, which was a sensible compromise. There was no reason for changing the guidance other than trying to save money, because the statutory provisions on which the guidance is based didn't change. There are good reasons for believing the guidance to be unlawful, including the fact that it goes against some long-established case law, and some organisations like Cerebra, Ipsea and SOS SEN are looking for people prepared for their cases to be put forward as test cases. So, OP, if you're up for that, I suggest you contact one of those organisations.

blackwhitegrey · 24/06/2024 16:53

PostItInABook · 24/06/2024 16:51

If you get no joy from any appeals, consider looking into flexible working options, particularly the hospital job. They should have a flexible working policy…..all of this ‘set shift times with no deviation’ is nonsense. Some people working in hospitals do only nights, some do only days, some do term time only, some do school hours only. They just don’t like doing it because it can be a hassle but they should be offering a very good reason why there are NO flexible working options to suit your needs whilst still being able to work.

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There are SO many reasons why I can't. I can't even be bothered to go to all of this on here. I've been a SEN parent for 14 years and my husband gave up work to support it all. I'm not stupid. I've already got a degree of flexible working in my role, it just isn't enough to do the school run twice a day.

And again, it's disability discrimination to say I should. If my 14 yo wasn't disabled, no one would expect me to.

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PostItInABook · 24/06/2024 16:51

If you get no joy from any appeals, consider looking into flexible working options, particularly the hospital job. They should have a flexible working policy…..all of this ‘set shift times with no deviation’ is nonsense. Some people working in hospitals do only nights, some do only days, some do term time only, some do school hours only. They just don’t like doing it because it can be a hassle but they should be offering a very good reason why there are NO flexible working options to suit your needs whilst still being able to work.

Scruffily · 24/06/2024 16:49

MumApril1990 · 24/06/2024 14:15

Just what every parent does who needs to drop their child at school, arrange work hours around it or pay for breakfast/ after school club or childminder. The council can’t afford to pay for taxis for every child.

Every parent? Do you seriously believe that every parent of every 14 year old is dropping their child at school every day or arranging breakfast clubs and childminders?

The council doesn't have to pay for taxis. However, by law it must provide transport to children eligible for it - which includes children with disabilities who can't walk to school and who are attending their nearest suitable school. Transport will take various forms including shared taxis and minibuses.

blackwhitegrey · 24/06/2024 16:48

@Nursingadvice we don't take him on public transport really as the idea is overwhelming. He won't even walk past people. He's scared of dogs out and about. He refuses walks. Gets DLA.

I don't have proof though. I don't have a professional saying he can't get on a bus even with an adult as no is involved once you get an autism diagnosis - you get discharged from everywhere years ago.

I gave them everything I had and described everything I could.

And even if he could with an adult (be dragged on) there isn't an adult. If there was, we'd continue taking him in the car. I just don't understand why having a cult is the deciding factor. If I had an adult free, I wouldn't be applying....?

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saraclara · 24/06/2024 16:47

MumApril1990 · 24/06/2024 14:15

Just what every parent does who needs to drop their child at school, arrange work hours around it or pay for breakfast/ after school club or childminder. The council can’t afford to pay for taxis for every child.

Every other parent of A 14 YEAR OLD does not need to do that.

Nursingadvice · 24/06/2024 16:44

blackwhitegrey · 24/06/2024 16:37

But they aren't looking at whether DS can get to school independently. They only seem to be interested in whether he can do it with an adult. And if he can, he's not eligible (even though the adult can't be there??!)

Other people don't seem to be needing to fight against this fact in quite the same way and I don't know why?

They are adamant that if he can walk or be on a bus with an adult, he doesn't need transport as the adult can walk / take him on the bus (ignoring the fact I'd be driving him if I were there 🙄) and it's not unreasonable to expect an adult to do this regardless of any other circumstances (I'd agree with a primary child but not a 14/15/16)

I even just looked at a SEN solicitor page and it said the same??

www.senexpertsolicitors.co.uk/site/news/home-to-school-transport

Can he get on a bus? Even with an adult? Or would his sensory issues make that difficult? For my DS, this was the case, he also used to frequently run off so walking was also not safe.
Its loosely written into his ehcp too so I also have that to fight with.

Scruffily · 24/06/2024 16:43

Isitovernow123 · 24/06/2024 12:52

Possibly slightly contentious, but you’re 2 miles from the school so why should the council pay for transport?

You will have to take responsibility for getting them to a place which is in great demand, especially with the lack of money in the sector.

Yes your husband might need to go back to work but you still need to care for your child. Part time hours to fit around the schooling is your best hope - many a parent have been doing this for a long time.

The council should pay because the law says they must.

Parents of 14 year olds are not normally having to fit their working hours around taking their children to and from school, because their children are able to take themselves. Therefore a council that expects the parents of disabled 14 year olds to lose their jobs or give up the prospect of working just to carry on transporting their child to school or college for, presumably, the rest of their time in education is clearly discriminating on the basis of disability. And what should happen if the parent can't take them? Does the disabled child just have to put up with it and do without the education that all their peers are entitled to?

Scruffily · 24/06/2024 16:40

Beautiful3 · 24/06/2024 12:48

I think your husband needs a part time job, so he can drop off and collect. Could he apply to be a TA at your sons school? You're not going to get anything funded for transport. It's been overhauled to save money.

The law hasn't changed, no matter how much local authorities want to save money.

Scruffily · 24/06/2024 16:39

Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse · 24/06/2024 12:34

I believe rules are changing as the current system is overwhelmed. I believe distance does now play a part according to the email I got for my DC from LA. Luckily we are further a field so still qualify. Our transport has already been confirmed but lots of changes are coming.

Your LA is lying. The guidance was only updated last January, there are no plans to change it again.

FloofyBird · 24/06/2024 16:38

Id suggest contacting a send solicitor now and seeing what they say. I wouldn't like to advise any further on whether to wait for the next appeal or not.

Scruffily · 24/06/2024 16:38

TheCheeseThief · 24/06/2024 12:27

You'd need to be 6 miles away from the school, my child's Sen school is the same.

That said I'm expected to be home when he gets in by the transport/school so this may be an issue as well.

I'm guessing moving isn't a option, I'd speak to SENDIASS failing that you'll have to work out between you on doing the school run.

No, you don't need to be 6 miles away. Children unable to walk by reason of disability and/or SEN also qualify.

dahliadraws · 24/06/2024 16:37

blackwhitegrey · 24/06/2024 16:33

No, probably not actually.

I can try and look again at a private taxi hire. I just imagine it will be SO expensive twice a day.

only temporary so your husband can accept the job and you can continue to challenge the LA to pay for transport in the longer term

blackwhitegrey · 24/06/2024 16:37

Nursingadvice · 24/06/2024 16:30

I tried the ‘but I need to get to work’ approach initially and had the same response as you. The best thing to do is not mention your working situation at all, as you are right, they don’t care about that and have no duty to you in that respect.

Just focus on the fact your child can not safely get themselves to school and can not travel independently, once you can evidence that and they accept that, they will have to provide regardless of whether you are available to do it yourself or not.

As I said earlier, for September they offered me £1000 per term personal budget, this would be no good to me as I work so cannot accompany him (otherwise I’d just drive him) but I didn’t mention that. I just thanked them for acknowledging their responsibility but made it clear that doesn’t work for us and we will require a bus or taxi. They accepted the next day.

But they aren't looking at whether DS can get to school independently. They only seem to be interested in whether he can do it with an adult. And if he can, he's not eligible (even though the adult can't be there??!)

Other people don't seem to be needing to fight against this fact in quite the same way and I don't know why?

They are adamant that if he can walk or be on a bus with an adult, he doesn't need transport as the adult can walk / take him on the bus (ignoring the fact I'd be driving him if I were there 🙄) and it's not unreasonable to expect an adult to do this regardless of any other circumstances (I'd agree with a primary child but not a 14/15/16)

I even just looked at a SEN solicitor page and it said the same??

www.senexpertsolicitors.co.uk/site/news/home-to-school-transport

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Charliebrow · 24/06/2024 16:36

Perhaps a childminder who lives close to the school and you can drop him off and collect him from there.

blackwhitegrey · 24/06/2024 16:33

dahliadraws · 24/06/2024 16:29

i know your son has sen - but does he need a driver with a dbs check? one of my kids is nearly 13 - and i would consider by 14 he would be safe from inappropriate harm from a driver to and from school.

eg - I would expect him to be able to call 999 if needed, report inappropriate behaviour, lie and say there was a parent at home if there wasn't etc. taxi drivers are still licensed - it's on record who took who when and where so risk is limited.

my daughter is 9 and much more naïve and i know whether at 14 she would be able for it. i just wondered if the dbs was necessary?

your request for transport seems very reasonable - can you escalate your appeal to tribunal or similar? perhaps ask a solicitor to support to get it organised in time.

No, probably not actually.

I can try and look again at a private taxi hire. I just imagine it will be SO expensive twice a day.

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Nursingadvice · 24/06/2024 16:30

I tried the ‘but I need to get to work’ approach initially and had the same response as you. The best thing to do is not mention your working situation at all, as you are right, they don’t care about that and have no duty to you in that respect.

Just focus on the fact your child can not safely get themselves to school and can not travel independently, once you can evidence that and they accept that, they will have to provide regardless of whether you are available to do it yourself or not.

As I said earlier, for September they offered me £1000 per term personal budget, this would be no good to me as I work so cannot accompany him (otherwise I’d just drive him) but I didn’t mention that. I just thanked them for acknowledging their responsibility but made it clear that doesn’t work for us and we will require a bus or taxi. They accepted the next day.

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