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To think this house IS big enough

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Coconutsandpalmtree · 23/06/2024 11:28

For 3 kids and wfh (needing an office)

im not sure it is, but surely it should be and I’m missing a trick as to how we can make it work, DH and I have decided we’d like another child.

it’s a new house (6yrs now) so I took a pic of the floor plan from the developers. It’s pretty generic but it’s tight on space.

the front double is our bedroom, built in wardrobe and the space by the ensuite is a chest of drawers that we really need.

the smaller back ‘double’ (on floor plan) is more a single tbh, but that’s my eldests room. Front single youngest. Other double is a guest room/ office.

we really need an office for wfh. There’s no place for stud walls due to the windows.

we do have a garage though and a classic new build garden aka small.

what do you think? Can another kid fit here?

yabu- no way
yanbu- yes with some outside the box thinking that I’ll share :)

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somethingwickedlivesnextdoor · 23/06/2024 12:55

Bloody hell, the rooms are small. There's hardly any floor space once beds and furniture are in. Storage???

Coconutsandpalmtree · 23/06/2024 12:55

tara66 · 23/06/2024 12:50

You would have to move anyway as this is clearly a house with small rooms - because in a few years as DC become older they will be needing space, storage and privacy - somewhere to do homework etc. Also the kitchen seems to be too small to be able to provide for so many too.

Really? The kitchen has 6 seater table and space to walk around, bedrooms yeah but the kitchen is fine imo

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Isthisreasonable · 23/06/2024 12:52

With a family of 5 you haven't got enough space downstairs to entertain guests anyway unless you use the garden so no need for a guest bedroom. I'd make smallest bedroom the office. Biggest bedroom for 2 dc with bunks to give some play space. Bedroom 2 for you and dh. Bedroom 3 for 1 dc.

That achieves what you need for minimal expense. What you would spend on converting garage/building garden office can be put to one side to help finance a bigger, more suitable house further down the road.

tara66 · 23/06/2024 12:50

You would have to move anyway as this is clearly a house with small rooms - because in a few years as DC become older they will be needing space, storage and privacy - somewhere to do homework etc. Also the kitchen seems to be too small to be able to provide for so many too.

Coconutsandpalmtree · 23/06/2024 12:49

GreenTeaLikesMe · 23/06/2024 12:38

Why do UK newbuild houses have so many tiny bathrooms? Are they targeting people with extreme poo/toilet phobia type issues who panic at the thought of using a toilet that other family members also use? Or is it something to do with the legal requirement to provide a ground floor toilet?

I don’t know but I’m so glad we have it, made toilet training so much easier

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LER83 · 23/06/2024 12:49

We have a small 3 bed and have 3 children. We made what is essentially a coat storage/inner lobby area into a wfh space for dh. Yes he can touch all the walls with his arms outstretched, and no one can use the downstairs loo when he is in there, but it can fit a desk and his computer in and he can get his work done which is the main thing!

WhereIsMyLight · 23/06/2024 12:45

If you’re 70% likely to move in the future, regardless of having a third, I don’t think you should be doing anything big like taking out an en-suite or converting the garage. I think taking the en-suite out will take money off the house price. Converting the garage probably wouldn’t need planning permission but you will need building regs, our garage is partly converted and getting the previous owner to say whether they had building regs and an indemnity because they didn’t took forever.

Is it both of you that WFH? If it’s just you, I’d do a fold away desk in the living room and then during school holidays go to a shared
office space or the office so you’re not disturbed by the kids. If it’s DH WFH and you’ll be on maternity leave, he needs to be out of the way, so it’s a garden pod.

I do think it’s important to have a guest room but we don’t have any family nearby so it’s more than once a week that our guest bedroom is used. However, our old house we didn’t have one and everyone understood. It limits how much people can visit because they are paying for hotels but I guess it depends how frequent people visit and whether when they visit they offer support E.g. childcare in school holidays. If that’s the case, I’d look at getting your eldest a double then your youngest a bunk bed with sofa bed underneath. When you have guests siblings share and guests go in the double.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 23/06/2024 12:38

Why do UK newbuild houses have so many tiny bathrooms? Are they targeting people with extreme poo/toilet phobia type issues who panic at the thought of using a toilet that other family members also use? Or is it something to do with the legal requirement to provide a ground floor toilet?

Lopella · 23/06/2024 12:38

Lopella · 23/06/2024 12:33

I live in a much smaller house than this (mid terraced house with no garden plus it's only a 3 bedroom) with 3 children and I also work from home. Bespoke built in furniture in all the bedrooms, under the stairs, in the living room and utility room was the only way to make it work - the company that did it specialised in space saving and making practical use of every part of the house and its honestly amazing what they've been able to do.

This is the inspiration we showed the designer and he worked with the room we had, so although my girls share a room they each have their own private space. Definitely mire cost effective than moving and cheaper than I thought it would be.

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Pippa12 · 23/06/2024 12:37

A friend made a space under the stairs for her ‘office’. It was tight but it gave all the kids their rooms back?

neverbeenskiing · 23/06/2024 12:37

I think it would technically be doable but will feel cramped.

I would prioritise my DC having their own space over my wfh set up personally. I would look into converting the garage and put a small desk in my bedroom in the meantime. I wouldn't be bothered about losing the spare bedroom but personally I wouldn't have another child if it meant my existing DC had to share a room. I appreciate others will feel differently though and some kids may be happy sharing.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 23/06/2024 12:36

I gave up the office when we had our second child, and installed my desk in a corner of the living/dining room.

Highly amused at "you need two lounges when you have teenagers." How many people in the UK have two lounges?!? I guess 90% of UK kids must vaporize when the clock strikes 12 on their 13th birthday.

seethingmess · 23/06/2024 12:35

It could only work if you're prepared to convert the garage or ruin the already small garden with an office. I'd probably do the garage conversion and budget around £20k for it. But then you've lost your storage area.

Normallynumb · 23/06/2024 12:35

Off the top of my head
Lose the " guest room" and juggle bedrooms for guest to stay.. kids in your room or you use lounge when you have visitors
Put an office in an en-suite
You can manage with one bathroom if needs be
" shortie bunks" or custom made beds that go in at angles.. loads of options for those
Garden pod for office( off the top of my head 10k) Use as a multipurpose space for kids playroom etc
You will manage, it just means thinking outside the box and adapting space available
I had 3 boys in a tiny house( triple bunk/ room divider, we gave them the biggest room)
Vertical storage where necessary
Multipurpose furniture incorporating storage eg lift up beds

Swg · 23/06/2024 12:33

Unless by "have another child" you mean "adopt another grown child immediately" I think you're over thinking it.

Any child you start trying to conceive now is going to take at least 9 months to show up, closer to a year if not more most likely. Then you've got a minimum of six months where they're in with you - if you're pushed for space it could be longer.

Anything can happen in that amount of time. One of you switches jobs to one that doesn't require home working. You move to be closer to elderly family. The house of your dreams comes up as a massive bargain down the street.

Lopella · 23/06/2024 12:33

I live in a much smaller house than this (mid terraced house with no garden plus it's only a 3 bedroom) with 3 children and I also work from home. Bespoke built in furniture in all the bedrooms, under the stairs, in the living room and utility room was the only way to make it work - the company that did it specialised in space saving and making practical use of every part of the house and its honestly amazing what they've been able to do.

LemonTT · 23/06/2024 12:32

Coconutsandpalmtree · 23/06/2024 12:06

Sorry but I don’t think it is polite, it was quite rude, especially considering how many kids are living in poverty. Saying it’s less than ideal for older kids is cool (and I’d agree) but that it benefits no one… not the nicest

A family of 5 can fit in a 4 bed house. Thats beyond doubt given bigger families live in smaller. Generally because there is no choice. The fact there is dissonance in your case implies that there is a choice and possibly a debate.

My personal opinion is that children having their own room is more important than a home office and or guest bedroom. A regularly used office is more important than a guest bedroom. At the end of the day this can be affordable for some people and not for others. Just like kids not sharing is an affordability issue.

perhaps explain the issue that sits behind your question.

But kids wfh doing homework and it’s good for them to have their own rooms to do that.

PiggieWig · 23/06/2024 12:31

How big is the garden? If you have the space a garden room/office would be a good solution and is desirable for potential buyers when the time comes to move.

Coconutsandpalmtree · 23/06/2024 12:25

whistleblower99 · 23/06/2024 12:22

It’s on the small side. I’d struggle with that space in your circumstances.

I think we’d likely move in the long term. Even if we stuck at 2 kids we’ll 70/30 move in the long term due to aging parents

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rainbowunicorn · 23/06/2024 12:24

Arewealljustloosingtheplot · 23/06/2024 11:51

I feel like it’s a bit tight, upstairs and down. I disagree with people who don’t think you need an en-suite!! Of course you need more than one shower when you’re a family of 4+ . Storage seems very lacking but that’s fine as long as you are organised.

the kids could share, mine used to when they were tiny ( even though we had loads of spare rooms) they would hate it now though so defo is something with a lifespan.

i would move the office out into the garage or a garden room ( we have one we use as a bar) but I would say that if you could extend then and office / study / game room downstairs would be life changing as your kids grow.

There are literally millions of families in this country who share a shower between 4 or more people. Our bathroom has one shower one toilet and one sink between 4 adults. We manage fine as do the millions of other people who have a set up like this. It is perfectly doable and has never caused us any problems.

whistleblower99 · 23/06/2024 12:22

It’s on the small side. I’d struggle with that space in your circumstances.

S0livagant · 23/06/2024 12:22

jeaux90 · 23/06/2024 11:37

Honestly no.

Also you need more downstairs space as kids get older, they want friends over or sharing an Xbox etc, effectively you need two lounges with teens.

This is not a need at all, as evidenced by the many families with teens in two and three bedroom, one reception room houses all over the country.

Bigredpants · 23/06/2024 12:20

Is it just me who thinks the obvious thing is to use the spare room as an office for now. Put a cot in it when the yet to exist third child moves out of parents’ room. That child won’t need a room they have to use in the day until they’re about school age and will cope with someone working in there until 17:30 every day. will they be in childcare after school anyway?
In 6 years you may be able to get a bigger place or just cope with a shared bedroom for a few years until uni age.

Coconutsandpalmtree · 23/06/2024 12:19

TeatimeForTheSoul · 23/06/2024 12:17

Is that a Taylor Wimpey new build?
If so PLEASE pause and think before buying. Have a look at some of the support groups on Facebook like Taylor Wimpey -unhappy customers. The build is very, very poor and getting issues fixed is a massive challenge. They count on people giving up,
Obviosly some people fair better, maybe those early on in a development where the builders are still around. But when they’ve gone, aaargh.

About 6 years too late, we already live here.

oh I’m belligerent, they fixed everything even during the pandemic

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WiseBiscuit · 23/06/2024 12:18

TeatimeForTheSoul · 23/06/2024 12:17

Is that a Taylor Wimpey new build?
If so PLEASE pause and think before buying. Have a look at some of the support groups on Facebook like Taylor Wimpey -unhappy customers. The build is very, very poor and getting issues fixed is a massive challenge. They count on people giving up,
Obviosly some people fair better, maybe those early on in a development where the builders are still around. But when they’ve gone, aaargh.

They already live there…