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To resent that my future depends on whether a man deems me good enough

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Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 10:18

The main source of my mental health problems has been men.
I'm 33 years old and except for my very first boyfriend aged 18, who I left when I was 20, no guy has ever fallen madly in love with me.

I'm fully aware I don't need a man in my life to be happy but I'm only human and it's natural to want a connection with somebody. Not that it's attractive to admit that, mind. You're supposed to not be looking at all and absolutely love being single until someone unexpectedly falls into your lap, otherwise you're 'desperate'.

I'd be ok with it if more people chose to be single, however I hardly know anyone who's single, every bloody person I know is with someone, especially at this age, this is the worst age for me.

Men like me and find me attractive, they just don't want to date me seriously/don't want to marry me/just don't fall in love.

Everyone seems to have some guy become absolutely obsessed with them and just really want to marry them.
Guys mainly use me for an ego boost but I'm just not the one for them.

People sprout mindless fucking clichés at me all the time 'Oh it'll happen when you least expect it!' well here's the thing, I'm not 'expecting' it at all, and guess what, nobody's fallen into my lap.

'Just go online!' like it's that easy, it really isn't.
I'm attractive physically, I have stuff going for me, I travel, I am financially independent, I own property, I have hobbies, good family relationship, I have friends. In other areas of my life all is great.

I'm really not desperate, I'm sure someone will be along to tell me I'm coming across as desperate but I have turned down men too, I would not date just anyone.
My standards are not too high, either. If anything I'm very likely considered out of these men's leagues. They're just very ordinary, average men, but I liked them.

People I've dated have either not wanted a relationship after 2 months, or not wanted a bigger commitment after a few years.

Life isn't fair I guess, people will tell me to 'love myself first ' and all the usual crap. Having 10,000 hobbies is no replacement for a happy relationship. I'm sick of seeing the happy couple photos on Facebook, posing with their husband and holding the baby.

Maybe I will meet someone, but for 13 years I've had bad luck. I've never been anyone's 'one'.

I can't have a child alone, I don't have local family, I can't afford to be a single parent financially or otherwise, period.

Honestly, my mental health has been shot to pieces. Life still has meaning, but it's unfair that I'm deprived of what seems to come so easily to other people.

OP posts:
Terrribletwos · 23/06/2024 17:59

gardenmusic · 23/06/2024 17:52

Terrribletwos
It's not at all strange. When being in a couple is the norm with the people around you, you stick out like a sore thumb when you are single.
When everyone around you is single it's different. Your friends do not have other priorities, you can go out together. No one is the odd one out, no one feels they are missing out.
You wouldn't mind that.
There is a natural progression, and if you are single in your thirties, or find yourself single again, it's hard to meet someone.
Round one of coupling up is over, you are now in round two, and it's more difficult.
OP wants to meet someone decent and have a relationship is that so hard to understand?

No, not so hard to understand, I get it. I just found it odd that she says if more people were single,.etc. That's an odd thing to say. Why would it make a difference if more people were single?

gardenmusic · 23/06/2024 17:52

Terrribletwos
It's not at all strange. When being in a couple is the norm with the people around you, you stick out like a sore thumb when you are single.
When everyone around you is single it's different. Your friends do not have other priorities, you can go out together. No one is the odd one out, no one feels they are missing out.
You wouldn't mind that.
There is a natural progression, and if you are single in your thirties, or find yourself single again, it's hard to meet someone.
Round one of coupling up is over, you are now in round two, and it's more difficult.
OP wants to meet someone decent and have a relationship is that so hard to understand?

Terrribletwos · 23/06/2024 17:40

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 11:11

Thank you, I appreciate it. If more people were single, I wouldn't care. But none of them bloody are!
I have 1 single gay male friend who is very happy casually dating and no intention of more.

If more people were single, you say you wouldn't mind? This to me is strange. So if more people were single you would be absolutely okay with being single?

Misorchid · 23/06/2024 17:36

I meant to add that it might be a good idea if the OP kept off Facebook and social media as the curated happy couples stuff is obviously an irritant.

Misorchid · 23/06/2024 17:28

Back to the OP🙄I’m an old ‘un and think that OLD and general attitudes now make it harder to find commitment. There was an old saying about why buy a cow when you can get the milk for free? Sure, nothing was perfect sex wise, but the quick availability of sex now before a relationship has truly formed means people move on.
The argument for/against dating work colleagues is interesting as many marriages arise out of working together and finding more than just superficialities in a person, a true bond.

I really sympathise with the OP as I have a young friend in the same boat and nowadays on the whole, it seems to be easy come easy go. There is so much luck involved in finding a life companion and I wish the OP all the very best in the future, 33 is not old to me so stay hopeful, get a cat and therapy in the meantime.

Bangwam1 · 23/06/2024 17:27

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 23/06/2024 17:23

Don't worry. I think they're out to cause conflict only and will be picked up by MNHQ soon enough.

How dare a woman speak negatively about men on a woman’s forum!!!? What was I thinking?

I attacked men..bunch of pickmes turned up to rage. So yeah, I’m just having fun now.

You should see how they talk about us on their forums..you’ll never see them defending us.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 23/06/2024 17:25

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Only person mentioning it is you.

And you realise it's libel to write untrue things about other people (stating PPs husband is searching the vile things you keep talking about).

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 23/06/2024 17:23

Hateam · 23/06/2024 17:21

Arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigdeon.
They knock all the pieces over, shit all.over the board then strut around like they won.

Don't worry. I think they're out to cause conflict only and will be picked up by MNHQ soon enough.

Tattletwat · 23/06/2024 17:22

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Well it's pretty much only you mentioning them in here so it is you who is the obsessed one.

Hateam · 23/06/2024 17:21

Bangwam1 · 23/06/2024 17:18

I ruffled a few feathers with truth, oops 🙊

Good luck ladies, gonna need it 👾
Out

Arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigdeon.
They knock all the pieces over, shit all.over the board then strut around like they won.

BashfulClam · 23/06/2024 17:20

keeptryinggirl · 23/06/2024 10:23

do you work? friends? socialise? hobbies?

It’s all mentioned in the OP!!!

FunIsland · 23/06/2024 17:20

Bangwam1 · 23/06/2024 17:04

Oh this is always my favourite.

You don’t need to be. I’m gonna raise him to respect women and himself :-) …and hopefully 🙏 he won’t be the type of man I’m talking about.

I know it causes a lot of butthurt to say the majority of men are the pits and not good enough for a wife, but it’s true 🤷‍♀️

It’s really not true, they’re people, same as women. Some are arseholes and the reasons that statistically this is recorded more in men is complex and not as straight forward as quoting figures on porn use.

It’s sad that you are so closed minded that you won’t see this, perhaps because you’ve had a rough time I don’t know, but if you spend your time looking for something you will see it everywhere, it’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

Bangwam1 · 23/06/2024 17:18

I ruffled a few feathers with truth, oops 🙊

Good luck ladies, gonna need it 👾
Out

Hateam · 23/06/2024 17:18

Bangwam1 · 23/06/2024 17:04

Oh this is always my favourite.

You don’t need to be. I’m gonna raise him to respect women and himself :-) …and hopefully 🙏 he won’t be the type of man I’m talking about.

I know it causes a lot of butthurt to say the majority of men are the pits and not good enough for a wife, but it’s true 🤷‍♀️

If this can be solved by good parenting, you must have a very low opinion of mothers/women too.

Bangwam1 · 23/06/2024 17:16

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FunIsland · 23/06/2024 17:16

Christ this thread is depressing.

OP - You’re coming across as angry and negative on here, you’re trying to dictate what people can and can’t say to you in a pretty combative way. You’re also incredibly negative about this people that you’ve dated, placing yourself on a higher level than them.

I get that you’re annoyed and upset about all this but be honest - would you want to date someone who thought they were better than you? Who was angry at everyone because they felt they’d been given a rough hand in life? Who lumped together everyone who was the same sex as you in such negative terms whilst simultaneously wanting a long term relationship with you? I wouldn’t. The reason people are saying these cliches to you repeatedly are because they’re true. I wonder if there is more going on than this? Someone asked upthread and I can’t see an answer, have you had therapy or would you consider it?

Aria999 · 23/06/2024 17:16

Can we agree to disagree and stop derailing the thread...?

Bangwam1 · 23/06/2024 17:15

Tattletwat · 23/06/2024 17:02

Meanwhile in the realworld outside bangwam1 delusions.

Nope majority of men aren't predators. Get help.

What I speak -is- the real world. If you have daughters, best learn quickly.

Tattletwat · 23/06/2024 17:14

Bangwam1 · 23/06/2024 17:11

The numbers speak, I don’t need to. You think onlyfans is one of the fastest growing sites in existence because I’m delusional? 👹

80-90% married men, btw

You seem obsessed with porn site on most of your posts,

Just because you had a ex who was scum doesn't mean all men are.

Bangwam1 · 23/06/2024 17:11

Tattletwat · 23/06/2024 17:02

Meanwhile in the realworld outside bangwam1 delusions.

Nope majority of men aren't predators. Get help.

The numbers speak, I don’t need to. You think onlyfans is one of the fastest growing sites in existence because I’m delusional? 👹

80-90% married men, btw

MsLavender · 23/06/2024 17:10

I know it causes a lot of butthurt to say the majority of men are the pits and not good enough for a wife, but it’s true Just because you say "it's true" that doesn't make it so. Many men think the majority of women are too masculine, they nag too much and are openly hostile towards them and men in general, doesn't necessarily make it true. (I can, however, see where they might get that idea from)

Bangwam1 · 23/06/2024 17:04

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 23/06/2024 16:38

You are clearly biased by some past experience and hate all men. I am genuinely sorry for your son.

Oh this is always my favourite.

You don’t need to be. I’m gonna raise him to respect women and himself :-) …and hopefully 🙏 he won’t be the type of man I’m talking about.

I know it causes a lot of butthurt to say the majority of men are the pits and not good enough for a wife, but it’s true 🤷‍♀️

Tattletwat · 23/06/2024 17:02

Bangwam1 · 23/06/2024 16:19

It’s the most searched for because the majority of men are predators. Glad we cleared that up.

Meanwhile in the realworld outside bangwam1 delusions.

Nope majority of men aren't predators. Get help.

FluffyJellyCat · 23/06/2024 16:59

It's so sad to read this thread. My dad loved me unconditionally. There was no benefit for that to be a lie. My sons including my adult son loves me with no view of personal gain. My dh has been with me for over three decades and dispite not being perfect he is us here faithful and supports me so he I'd more than good enough.

Is this like a female Incel?

DappledThings · 23/06/2024 16:54

retinolalcohol · 23/06/2024 16:39

Absolutely this.

A whole lot of people absolutely clamoring to stick the boot in - have none of you ever been absolutely sick to the back teeth of a situation and reacted emotionally?

There are days that I absolutely, wholeheartedly, cannot stand men because I have met/dated so many shit ones. On those days I would be happy never to date one again, and may just feel compelled to post on an online anonymous forum about it. I'm not a bitter or angry person, but when you're repeatedly getting shit from all angles it becomes very frustrating.

The OP has had enough of dating in a dating market that is crap. Half of you have no idea because you haven't dated for 10+ years. The sweet shop mentality of the apps makes it really difficult - people are always looking for the next best thing. Even people we meet in real life are likely to be on the apps, always scanning for someone/something 'better'. It is relentless - this is acknowledged on every single OLD thread on MN.

OP keep your standards (you've already expressed that they're realistic) and remember that as this poster has said, having kept a man isn't some kind of accomplishment - plenty of women are putting up with all sorts of crap and even if they aren't it's largely luck of the draw. I hope you get there soon Flowers

Absolutely to both @retinolalcohol and @prinkfloyd .

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