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To resent that my future depends on whether a man deems me good enough

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Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 10:18

The main source of my mental health problems has been men.
I'm 33 years old and except for my very first boyfriend aged 18, who I left when I was 20, no guy has ever fallen madly in love with me.

I'm fully aware I don't need a man in my life to be happy but I'm only human and it's natural to want a connection with somebody. Not that it's attractive to admit that, mind. You're supposed to not be looking at all and absolutely love being single until someone unexpectedly falls into your lap, otherwise you're 'desperate'.

I'd be ok with it if more people chose to be single, however I hardly know anyone who's single, every bloody person I know is with someone, especially at this age, this is the worst age for me.

Men like me and find me attractive, they just don't want to date me seriously/don't want to marry me/just don't fall in love.

Everyone seems to have some guy become absolutely obsessed with them and just really want to marry them.
Guys mainly use me for an ego boost but I'm just not the one for them.

People sprout mindless fucking clichés at me all the time 'Oh it'll happen when you least expect it!' well here's the thing, I'm not 'expecting' it at all, and guess what, nobody's fallen into my lap.

'Just go online!' like it's that easy, it really isn't.
I'm attractive physically, I have stuff going for me, I travel, I am financially independent, I own property, I have hobbies, good family relationship, I have friends. In other areas of my life all is great.

I'm really not desperate, I'm sure someone will be along to tell me I'm coming across as desperate but I have turned down men too, I would not date just anyone.
My standards are not too high, either. If anything I'm very likely considered out of these men's leagues. They're just very ordinary, average men, but I liked them.

People I've dated have either not wanted a relationship after 2 months, or not wanted a bigger commitment after a few years.

Life isn't fair I guess, people will tell me to 'love myself first ' and all the usual crap. Having 10,000 hobbies is no replacement for a happy relationship. I'm sick of seeing the happy couple photos on Facebook, posing with their husband and holding the baby.

Maybe I will meet someone, but for 13 years I've had bad luck. I've never been anyone's 'one'.

I can't have a child alone, I don't have local family, I can't afford to be a single parent financially or otherwise, period.

Honestly, my mental health has been shot to pieces. Life still has meaning, but it's unfair that I'm deprived of what seems to come so easily to other people.

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gardenmusic · 23/06/2024 11:16

I get you OP.

I think you need to be looking, make a plan. It's not you, it's who you are meeting - or not meeting.

I would seriously look at some of the old fashioned dating companies, where people pay, and hopefully they want a partner, and don't lack commitment. The problem with OLD is that it's like kids in a sweet shop.
Ignore the posters saying you sound angry or desperate, you get the goads on these threads.

For what it's worth, I met mine when I was 40, I certainly was looking, getting desperate, and he did fall into my lap - or rather crashed into my car - and we have been very happy.

theoutsider0 · 23/06/2024 11:15

I know how you feel OP. I find it easy enough to meet men who want to date me short term, then it's always the usual "you're a great person, I just don't see a future". The only long term relationships I've had have unfortunately been abusive. I feel shit sometimes that the only men who want a relationship with me are the ones who want to abuse me.

I've been single for a while, worked on myself yada yada. I feel okay being single for now but I do wish to one day experience true, healthy love. I've never experienced that and it doesn't feel fair.

I too despise the notion of "you'll met someone when you're not looking". How are we supposed to meet someone if we're not looking?? We as human beings are social creatures, it's literally in our nature to seek companionship. As you say, all the hobbies in the world aren't really a substitute for that. Friends are great, but they don't fulfil the need for a romantic connection.

I'm sorry I don't have any advice, but I think a lot of the responses here just aren't getting it so I wanted to say that I absolutely understand.

mumda · 23/06/2024 11:14

Write a list for yourself rather than on here of

Their name, age and how long you went out and why you think you broke up.

Are there patterns?

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 11:13

TheresaCrowd · 23/06/2024 11:10

Are they mainly matches from online dating?

It's quite common for men and women to sleep with someone a few times, and then move on after a couple of months.

Like the 'chase' has ended, so they go in search of more fun with others.

Because for a lot of people, dating is just a bit of fun.

Most were from uni/through friends.
One was from OLD, admittedly this was my fault as he left traveling for a few months but claimed we'd be back together as soon as he returned. One week into being there he got into a relationship with a woman he met there but failed to tell me this, he's now engaged to her.

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Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 11:11

DappledThings · 23/06/2024 11:08

I don't think you sound desperate or bitter or any of the things that have been thrown at you. It's frustrating and sad and the bad luck feels really unfair.

I totally felt like this in my 20s and was very lucky to meet DH randomly at 29. I don't have advice OP, I'm sorry but I get you and I empathise.

Thank you, I appreciate it. If more people were single, I wouldn't care. But none of them bloody are!
I have 1 single gay male friend who is very happy casually dating and no intention of more.

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TheresaCrowd · 23/06/2024 11:10

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 11:06

I mean I didn't necessarily pin them down and say, right, are we official now? It was more that they suddenly started slow fading me, then I questioned their feelings. They'd been too cowardly to just end it.

Are they mainly matches from online dating?

It's quite common for men and women to sleep with someone a few times, and then move on after a couple of months.

Like the 'chase' has ended, so they go in search of more fun with others.

Because for a lot of people, dating is just a bit of fun.

YaWeeFurryBastard · 23/06/2024 11:10

I get it OP, it’s perfectly bloody normal to want a life partner. Ignore the nasty superior comments.

I used to get “are you sure you’re not coming across desperate” when I was single and I used to think “yes but clearly you are given the state of your husband” as these types of women are often full of false superiority whilst married to men most of us wouldn’t touch with a barge pole.

Tips from me, as someone who’s been there and is now happily married to a great man:

Read why men love bitches and take on board any of the advice you feel is sensible
Keep going with OLD (where I eventually met mine and many people I know did) treat it like a second job
Ditch men at the first sign of just wanting sex, commitment phobe or other undesirable traits and move straight on to focusing your energy on the next
Widen your search criteria, not saying drop your standards but consider different locations, jobs, heights etc.

Most of all keep going and don’t give up!

DappledThings · 23/06/2024 11:08

I don't think you sound desperate or bitter or any of the things that have been thrown at you. It's frustrating and sad and the bad luck feels really unfair.

I totally felt like this in my 20s and was very lucky to meet DH randomly at 29. I don't have advice OP, I'm sorry but I get you and I empathise.

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 11:06

I mean I didn't necessarily pin them down and say, right, are we official now? It was more that they suddenly started slow fading me, then I questioned their feelings. They'd been too cowardly to just end it.

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GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 23/06/2024 11:06

minipie · 23/06/2024 10:29

You don’t sound desperate

You do sound incredibly angry, maybe that is coming across

I also think wanting someone to become obsessed with you or fall madly in love with you is maybe setting the bar a bit high

More likely though, it’s just bad luck and timing. Early 30s yes a lot of people are coupled up as you say. The men who are single at this age are the ones who aren’t interested in commitment and/or want to date 21 year olds, which makes the pool thinner for you. There are a few exceptions, couples do split for example and then want to find someone else but your timing has to be right. It’s tough.

I don’t think the OP sounds ‘incredibly angry’!

BettyShagter · 23/06/2024 11:04

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 11:02

Maybe, I'm not sure how long they'd need? When you've been intimate with someone several times and been seeing them for a couple of months, I just don't see why they'd be reluctant to say you're their girlfriend?
Also, it wasn't just me saying that, it was them randomly slow fading me when I thought things were going well.

Ahh ok.

We're all different and at that early stage, I would only just be thinking about getting intimate.

That's why I said I wouldn't be sure if I wanted to be official.

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 11:04

Genuine question, what does being desperate look like?
I'm busy, I have my life, I don't want to constantly text, I have rejected 2 guys this year, that's all.

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DoreenonTill8 · 23/06/2024 11:04

Justawaterformeplease · 23/06/2024 10:27

It’s clear from your post though that you ARE very much looking.

Yes, and that you think you are better than them. Why would they fall 'madly in love' with someone who thinks this of them? If anything I'm very likely considered out of these men's leagues. They're just very ordinary, average men

Greentreesandbushes · 23/06/2024 11:03

I hear you, I was in my 30’s single, living in London, really hankering after married life but not attracting guys who were in a similar place, I focused on career, then found that success intimidated some guys, I got fit and did the gym, only to find that this made Thursday night guys keen for sex only.

I remember having a serious conversation with my Mum and Step Dad about this, after a family event, where I’d entertained all the children, topped everyone’s drinks - generally life of the party looking after everyone but feeling sooooo lonely. I asked them to try and think of a suitor for me, at that point an arranged marriage would have been a great idea.

I met my DH at 34, random night out. If I hadn’t I imagine I would be happily living out in a commuter town with a dog considering sperm donor.

Stay strong, you sound fab, plan more trips away, get a pet? The solo traveller group trips are good

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 11:03

It's also not necessarily even having someone. It's not being right for anyone, not being deemed good enough to marry or be with long-term.

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curious79 · 23/06/2024 11:02

Dare I say it maybe it needs to be you who holds them at more of a distance whilst you assess whether they are good enough.

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 11:02

BettyShagter · 23/06/2024 11:00

Could it be that two months isn't long enough for anyone to want to make it official?

I'm not sure I would've been on enough dates in those few weeks to be able to decide.

Maybe, I'm not sure how long they'd need? When you've been intimate with someone several times and been seeing them for a couple of months, I just don't see why they'd be reluctant to say you're their girlfriend?
Also, it wasn't just me saying that, it was them randomly slow fading me when I thought things were going well.

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curious79 · 23/06/2024 11:01

You’ve got some kind of weird rosy view of what relationships are like and what they do for you. You wouldn’t have to look very far on mumsnet to see that people are married to losers, tossers, abusers, cheaters, and general all-round deadbeats. Or just marginally neutral and slightly unexciting men who neither fill them with great joy nor beat them up daily.
i’m second time married and broadly happy but then at other times I would kill for my independence again. The freedom to explore, take the job I want, go on the holiday I want, not be hassled. Every choice and life path has its pluses and has its minuses.

I get the frustration, as at points in my 30s I felt that way. But if I’m being honest, I think I was probably a little desperate and that it showed.

It’s interesting too that you talk about being picky, and turning plenty of people down. So at some level you clearly hold yourself in high regard. But I wonder what it is you think you offer to the world that means you should be getting a certain type of man, but only get offers from another? Are you as genuinely engaged in life and your hobbies as you think you are?

BettyShagter · 23/06/2024 11:00

Could it be that two months isn't long enough for anyone to want to make it official?

I'm not sure I would've been on enough dates in those few weeks to be able to decide.

Findwen · 23/06/2024 10:59

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 10:56

The constant rejection is demoralising. They always say I'm great, attractive, lovely etc. They 'just don't have those feelings '.

Before you ask for exclusivity, have you made them feel special ? That is - do you tend to be passive in the relationship and let them do all the chasing, organising and paying for everything ?

Am not advocating any kind of grandiose, expensive gestures - just trying to uncover perhaps a root cause that is not just bad luck !

ThatTimeIKnewFamousPeople · 23/06/2024 10:59

OP I am happily married with 2 kids, but I get it! It is normal to want to be someone's number 1, and to want a family in the traditional way. I have been a single parent, and, while no picnic - it's a million times better than feeling you've missed the boat.

I'm sure it will happen for you but I think if you want kids go for it anyway.

Cotonsugar · 23/06/2024 10:58

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 10:52

This is the point when I want it to become official but they 'suddenly' lose interest and claim they just don't 'have those feelings '. They usually try and slow fade me too as they're cowardly.

I’m older so don’t understand the going official bit. If you continued the relationship without talking about that then maybe it would continue. I don’t think a lot of men (and women) like to be pushed into or made to feel that they are in something official until they’re ready. Maybe labelling it is the problem?

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 10:56

The constant rejection is demoralising. They always say I'm great, attractive, lovely etc. They 'just don't have those feelings '.

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ThatTimeIKnewFamousPeople · 23/06/2024 10:54

keeptryinggirl · 23/06/2024 10:40

you sounds terrifyingly angry and bitter OP

No she doesn't. She sounds aware of her feelings, and realistic in admitting she is disappointed and sad.

You sound easily terrified

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 10:54

keeptryinggirl · 23/06/2024 10:53

claim they just don't 'have those feelings '.

which is fair enough

They usually try and slow fade me too as they're cowardly.

probably rightfully scared at your reaction

You aren't being helpful at all. Just stop posting on here please.

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