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To resent that my future depends on whether a man deems me good enough

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Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 10:18

The main source of my mental health problems has been men.
I'm 33 years old and except for my very first boyfriend aged 18, who I left when I was 20, no guy has ever fallen madly in love with me.

I'm fully aware I don't need a man in my life to be happy but I'm only human and it's natural to want a connection with somebody. Not that it's attractive to admit that, mind. You're supposed to not be looking at all and absolutely love being single until someone unexpectedly falls into your lap, otherwise you're 'desperate'.

I'd be ok with it if more people chose to be single, however I hardly know anyone who's single, every bloody person I know is with someone, especially at this age, this is the worst age for me.

Men like me and find me attractive, they just don't want to date me seriously/don't want to marry me/just don't fall in love.

Everyone seems to have some guy become absolutely obsessed with them and just really want to marry them.
Guys mainly use me for an ego boost but I'm just not the one for them.

People sprout mindless fucking clichés at me all the time 'Oh it'll happen when you least expect it!' well here's the thing, I'm not 'expecting' it at all, and guess what, nobody's fallen into my lap.

'Just go online!' like it's that easy, it really isn't.
I'm attractive physically, I have stuff going for me, I travel, I am financially independent, I own property, I have hobbies, good family relationship, I have friends. In other areas of my life all is great.

I'm really not desperate, I'm sure someone will be along to tell me I'm coming across as desperate but I have turned down men too, I would not date just anyone.
My standards are not too high, either. If anything I'm very likely considered out of these men's leagues. They're just very ordinary, average men, but I liked them.

People I've dated have either not wanted a relationship after 2 months, or not wanted a bigger commitment after a few years.

Life isn't fair I guess, people will tell me to 'love myself first ' and all the usual crap. Having 10,000 hobbies is no replacement for a happy relationship. I'm sick of seeing the happy couple photos on Facebook, posing with their husband and holding the baby.

Maybe I will meet someone, but for 13 years I've had bad luck. I've never been anyone's 'one'.

I can't have a child alone, I don't have local family, I can't afford to be a single parent financially or otherwise, period.

Honestly, my mental health has been shot to pieces. Life still has meaning, but it's unfair that I'm deprived of what seems to come so easily to other people.

OP posts:
Marmalade1987 · 23/06/2024 12:42

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 11:37

No, there isn't anything wrong with being single.
So why is it that 99% of people aren't?
Im tired of constant rejection, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to be single for years though.

Not to be pedantic but 99% aren’t in couples

To resent that my future depends on whether a man deems me good enough
Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 12:42

I've just been asked by a 39 year old man on message 3 on a dating site if I'm a 'good girl ' 🤢

OP posts:
MsLuxLisbon · 23/06/2024 12:42

Sillystrumpet · 23/06/2024 12:25

I’m sorry but that’s really creepy. Sex is not a reward.

It might be 'creepy' but it's also effective. I will probably get shouted down for this, but I would recommend that @Iwilldrawjapan check out what Jordan Peterson has to say on this issue. He is a controversial figure and I by no means agree with everything he says, but some of his talks are quite edifying.

DoreenonTill8 · 23/06/2024 12:41

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 11:36

Not anymore, I'm 33 now and the last man I liked was 30. Before that, aged 29 and below then yes, all the men were in their 20s, never dated older and not sure it'd be any better.

Honestly going to look into fostering, however I only own a 1 bedroom flat sadly so they probably wouldn't accept me?

Please don't look into fostering as a way to meet whatever unmet need you have just now.
Not appropriate for you or the child at present.

Euro24 · 23/06/2024 12:41

Palagiprincess · 23/06/2024 12:36

Wrong - some men may not care about those things but other men want their partner to be their equal in all ways - high earning, successful career, etc. This isn't the 1950s.

Why should the OP settle for someone who they don't find interesting?

Why should she settle?
Because all those charismatic, good looking etc men of her age she wants have a pool of younger women to choose from. That's why.

RomeoRivers · 23/06/2024 12:41

Hateam · 23/06/2024 12:27

This would be a red flag to any self-respecting man.

Being told 'you need to put in consistent effort before being rewarded' sounds like what a boss would say to somebody selling vacuums cleaners in Curry's.

It wasn’t said like it. It was about knowing my worth and setting an expectation about how I wanted to be treated.

Quadrangle · 23/06/2024 12:39

RomeoRivers · 23/06/2024 12:22

OP I wonder if the problem is that you’re giving too much too soon? If men are getting sex before they’ve really bothered to get to know you or put any effort in then, there’s less incentive to stick around.

I had a 3 month rule for sex (PIV) to weed out the ones that weren’t interested in me as a person. I told them upfront. It meant they had to put in consistent effort before being ‘rewarded’ with anything else. The result was that those with whom I was not compatible fell away in a matter of weeks and those who kept going developed feelings for me and had a genuine connection by the time things got physical and so it turned into a proper relationship. Just an idea as it worked for me.

I agree. Worked for me too, although I didn't tell him up front.

SherbetDips · 23/06/2024 12:38

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 10:18

The main source of my mental health problems has been men.
I'm 33 years old and except for my very first boyfriend aged 18, who I left when I was 20, no guy has ever fallen madly in love with me.

I'm fully aware I don't need a man in my life to be happy but I'm only human and it's natural to want a connection with somebody. Not that it's attractive to admit that, mind. You're supposed to not be looking at all and absolutely love being single until someone unexpectedly falls into your lap, otherwise you're 'desperate'.

I'd be ok with it if more people chose to be single, however I hardly know anyone who's single, every bloody person I know is with someone, especially at this age, this is the worst age for me.

Men like me and find me attractive, they just don't want to date me seriously/don't want to marry me/just don't fall in love.

Everyone seems to have some guy become absolutely obsessed with them and just really want to marry them.
Guys mainly use me for an ego boost but I'm just not the one for them.

People sprout mindless fucking clichés at me all the time 'Oh it'll happen when you least expect it!' well here's the thing, I'm not 'expecting' it at all, and guess what, nobody's fallen into my lap.

'Just go online!' like it's that easy, it really isn't.
I'm attractive physically, I have stuff going for me, I travel, I am financially independent, I own property, I have hobbies, good family relationship, I have friends. In other areas of my life all is great.

I'm really not desperate, I'm sure someone will be along to tell me I'm coming across as desperate but I have turned down men too, I would not date just anyone.
My standards are not too high, either. If anything I'm very likely considered out of these men's leagues. They're just very ordinary, average men, but I liked them.

People I've dated have either not wanted a relationship after 2 months, or not wanted a bigger commitment after a few years.

Life isn't fair I guess, people will tell me to 'love myself first ' and all the usual crap. Having 10,000 hobbies is no replacement for a happy relationship. I'm sick of seeing the happy couple photos on Facebook, posing with their husband and holding the baby.

Maybe I will meet someone, but for 13 years I've had bad luck. I've never been anyone's 'one'.

I can't have a child alone, I don't have local family, I can't afford to be a single parent financially or otherwise, period.

Honestly, my mental health has been shot to pieces. Life still has meaning, but it's unfair that I'm deprived of what seems to come so easily to other people.

I feel for you, I’m similar I get on we with men and my friends husbands etc but failed to find my own.

I can afford to have child on my own and will but I’d of loved a family.

RomeoRivers · 23/06/2024 12:36

Sillystrumpet · 23/06/2024 12:25

I’m sorry but that’s really creepy. Sex is not a reward.

I put ‘reward’ in inverted commas because it was tongue in cheek.

Palagiprincess · 23/06/2024 12:36

Euro24 · 23/06/2024 12:12

Yabu.

You are making the mistake that men find attractive in you the same things that you do in them.

You want the truth? Well here it is. In terms of relationship value, men do not care about your financial independence, career, travels or tell-it-like-it-is self-confidence.

They want an attractive (enough) woman who is kind, attentive and listens to them not another ball breaker.

Now I am not here to tell you to change at all but here it is.

And I've bet you have indeed looked over perfectly decent guys because they're invisible to you.
That good-looking enough car mechanic? Bet he's not even on your radar.

Edited

Wrong - some men may not care about those things but other men want their partner to be their equal in all ways - high earning, successful career, etc. This isn't the 1950s.

Why should the OP settle for someone who they don't find interesting?

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 23/06/2024 12:36

RomeoRivers · 23/06/2024 12:22

OP I wonder if the problem is that you’re giving too much too soon? If men are getting sex before they’ve really bothered to get to know you or put any effort in then, there’s less incentive to stick around.

I had a 3 month rule for sex (PIV) to weed out the ones that weren’t interested in me as a person. I told them upfront. It meant they had to put in consistent effort before being ‘rewarded’ with anything else. The result was that those with whom I was not compatible fell away in a matter of weeks and those who kept going developed feelings for me and had a genuine connection by the time things got physical and so it turned into a proper relationship. Just an idea as it worked for me.

Great advice which will be shot down as feminism wrongthink

Euro24 · 23/06/2024 12:34

OP,
Sorry I disagree there ARE some guys out there who would very much want a relationship with you but they are invisible to you.
It's no good me telling you this though because by definition you can't see them!

Look you're going to have to settle for Mr GoodEnough.
You think other women getting married at your age are different to you? They're not, they've probably just settled, too.

It is a rare woman who says at the peak of her looks (early 20s) that she'll sacrifice girls night outs etc to focus on the guy she really wants.

I'm not knocking you at all but realise this, people just settle and put a brave face on it.

You're only different in that you can't see it.

MsLuxLisbon · 23/06/2024 12:34

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 23/06/2024 12:27

What do you mean letting him down?

Dating is dating. They decide they don’t want to pursue anything further, that’s not letting anyone down. That’s how dating works.

Of course there’s differences. But it is a like for like comparison. Any man who nobody wanted to date for more than 2 months wouldn’t be told it’s because he is too good.

i also notice you didn’t answer what makes a woman ‘mediocre’.

There’s no problem with Op being confident in who she is. But when you have to resort to calling other women mediocre, to make op feel better, not good advice and it’s not helpful. And it’s likely not to be true.

What makes a person mediocre is having limited ambition, intelligence, attractiveness, charisma, interest.

KimberleyClark · 23/06/2024 12:32

I agree with previous posters about casting your net wider in terms of age. I met my DH, after being single for five years, when I was 28 and he was 39. We met through a shared interest. Married 34 years.

TypingoftheDead · 23/06/2024 12:32

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 10:26

Definitely that. I wish more people chose to be single, then I wouldn't feel like the odd one out.
I'm sure not every one of these couples is blissfully happy despite what they try to portray ok social media, but still.
Mid 30s is a very difficult age to be single.
I've honestly thought of ending my life over this. I won't, but it hurts to never be enough.

I think I'm great but these men never do.

I think more people are choosing to be single than you might realise, although it’s still kind of frowned upon in general.
I’ve always preferred being single but while dating (sporadically) had a similar experience as you have with men - my first boyfriend was the only one who was clearly in love with me (mutual) and everyone else since then was just… “eh”.
I am sorry you haven’t found someone who really digs you, though, I do appreciate that is frustrating and upsetting.

retinolalcohol · 23/06/2024 12:31

Honestly OP I don't think you have said anything unreasonable here.

I also get sick of my coupled up friends saying 'just work on yourself!!! It'll come when you least expect it!!' - meanwhile they're not the ones having to face rejection, disrespect, crap dates over and over. If their relationships ended they'd feel like life was over, meanwhile I've had 5 relationship 'endings' in the past several years.

And a good chunk of women ARE socialised to say/do the right things to attract and keep a man. It's the way society is - get a job, attract a man, get married, have kids. Shouldn't be that way but it is.
All my friends are intelligent and successful, yet the majority of our conversations end up being about men - have you found one, what's yours doing wrong today, are you getting engaged etc. I have several friends who, when in a relationship, become completely disinterested in having nights out - so those nights out we had were always mainly about finding a man.

I am, like you, attractive and successful. People tell me I'm funny. Loads of hobbies and interests. I'm kind and thoughtful.. but it's a combination of luck of the draw, and whether or not you're willing to put up with the same shit your peers do.

On the outside one of my friends seems blissfully happy, but she has to get up in the morning to make her partner's lunch (as though he's 6) despite them BOTH working full time. She does everything in the house. Another's partner has completely gone off sex and won't tell her why - complete head in the sand. Another's has cheated. Another's doesn't ever want to spend any quality time together. I wouldn't have any of the above.
These are only the gorgeous, intelligent, successful women I know well enough to see the inside of their relationship - how many shit relationships are there in reality?

I had a refreshing conversation with my married sister the other day, with her basically summarizing the above - it's not all it's cracked up to be. You're seeing the highlight reel of everyone's life but a percentage will be miserable for one reason or another.

Carry on as you are, don't settle, and do it with the knowledge that the grass isn't greener on the other side. I know how you feel as I am exactly the same some days, but it's really not worth stressing over Smile

MsLavender · 23/06/2024 12:29

I have to disagree with those who suggest only dating older and how men in their 20s don't want to commit. My longest and most committed relationships were with 20 something year olds. Most of the older men I've been with are already jaded by past relationships/marriages themselves and are reluctant to settle down again because of custody battles, financial battles, divorce and having to move out of the family home etc. Spent most of my life dating older men who weren't out to settle down, I'm now living with a 26 year old man who has an amazing relationship with my son and wants to marry me (I'm a lot older)!

Nomdejeur · 23/06/2024 12:29

I’m not sure what it is, you’ve said you’re independent, good looking, physically fit, not giving off desperation vibes.…could it be your personality?

BouquetGarni224 · 23/06/2024 12:29

NotForMeCheers · 23/06/2024 12:19

The OP has been given SO SO much well meaning advice on here and I'm sure if she reads the thread back in the future, a lot of it will be very valuable.

But I think what a lot of people are missing right NOW is that the OP has said she is mentally unwell.

And that being mentally unwell has led to her having suicidal thoughts.

THAT should be the priority here at the moment. Not links to different dating sites or advice on whether she's setting her hopes too high or too low.

Very true.

It could be depression.

That will lead to very negative, hopeless, extreme thinking.

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 23/06/2024 12:27

MsLuxLisbon · 23/06/2024 12:11

Depending on the circumstance, if a man was constantly dating women who were letting him down, I might say something along those lines. It's less likely, though, because of the differences in dating MO between men and women. I am normally the very first to call out double standards between how men and women are treated, especially on this site which often thinks the worst of men unjustly. However, in this case I don't think you can do a like for like comparison.

What do you mean letting him down?

Dating is dating. They decide they don’t want to pursue anything further, that’s not letting anyone down. That’s how dating works.

Of course there’s differences. But it is a like for like comparison. Any man who nobody wanted to date for more than 2 months wouldn’t be told it’s because he is too good.

i also notice you didn’t answer what makes a woman ‘mediocre’.

There’s no problem with Op being confident in who she is. But when you have to resort to calling other women mediocre, to make op feel better, not good advice and it’s not helpful. And it’s likely not to be true.

Hateam · 23/06/2024 12:27

RomeoRivers · 23/06/2024 12:22

OP I wonder if the problem is that you’re giving too much too soon? If men are getting sex before they’ve really bothered to get to know you or put any effort in then, there’s less incentive to stick around.

I had a 3 month rule for sex (PIV) to weed out the ones that weren’t interested in me as a person. I told them upfront. It meant they had to put in consistent effort before being ‘rewarded’ with anything else. The result was that those with whom I was not compatible fell away in a matter of weeks and those who kept going developed feelings for me and had a genuine connection by the time things got physical and so it turned into a proper relationship. Just an idea as it worked for me.

This would be a red flag to any self-respecting man.

Being told 'you need to put in consistent effort before being rewarded' sounds like what a boss would say to somebody selling vacuums cleaners in Curry's.

dontdrawjapan · 23/06/2024 12:26

I think you need to believe and accept that there’s really nothing wrong with you and the rejection from the guys things didn’t work out with are just a part of life. When you reflect on those relationships, would you have been happy spending the rest of your life with them? If not, then just chalk them down to experience and take the learning. I think because there are so many bad relationships out there (and you said your previous long term relationship partner was abusive and cheated), it’s easy to set low standards by seeing basic things like fidelity and lack of abuse as a maximum standard rather than a baseline. But if you plan to spend the rest of your life with the other person, there does need to be mutual respect and connection as well. So it’s ok if either of you discover early on that you’re not suited to each other, it’s a good thing. It does seem like in the past you have committed too quickly to people who weren’t committed to you. I think you need to accept and understand that you are worth committing to and don’t allow people to take you for granted.
None of this guarantees that you will find a suitable person (which is a lot to do with time and chance), but it does mean you’ll be happier in yourself and have more fun looking and be in a healthier place and better able to recognise when you do meet the right person who you connect with and also recognises your value to them.

Otterock · 23/06/2024 12:26

You sound a bit like me in my 20s. Only had one serious relationship when I was very young and every guy I dated would end up marrying the woman that came along after me or I was the rebound. I was even told by a male ‘friend’ that I was the girl to have fun with but not marry (even though a few years earlier he claimed to have been in love with me all along after my friend broke up with him). I always seemed to be the warm up act or the distraction. It was very disheartening as you say because I was constantly told I was doing the right things (attractive, funny, educated, hard worker, looked after myself) but it just never seemed to do the trick and I felt very much ‘left on the shelf’.

In the end I decided I’d rather be alone than with the wrong person and eventually accepted that the right person didn’t look like they were coming along any time soon. I was fully prepared to be single forever and working towards making myself self sufficient. I decided I’d better keep my toe dipped in the pool so I wouldn’t be wondering ‘what if’. I was absolutely ruthless with sifting out time wasters on OLD and very clear with what I wanted. Luckily my partner turned up and ticked (almost) every box. I’m very happy. Feed back Ive had from guys I know is that I’m nice but I also have a ‘don’t fuck with me’ vibe, which is intimidating. But also kept away the kind of men I didn’t want to bother with - just turned out to be a bigger % than I thought.

I suppose my advice is to make peace with it, But be open to possibilities while standing firm on what matters to you. Good luck.

Sillystrumpet · 23/06/2024 12:25

RomeoRivers · 23/06/2024 12:22

OP I wonder if the problem is that you’re giving too much too soon? If men are getting sex before they’ve really bothered to get to know you or put any effort in then, there’s less incentive to stick around.

I had a 3 month rule for sex (PIV) to weed out the ones that weren’t interested in me as a person. I told them upfront. It meant they had to put in consistent effort before being ‘rewarded’ with anything else. The result was that those with whom I was not compatible fell away in a matter of weeks and those who kept going developed feelings for me and had a genuine connection by the time things got physical and so it turned into a proper relationship. Just an idea as it worked for me.

I’m sorry but that’s really creepy. Sex is not a reward.

FeckOffNowLads · 23/06/2024 12:22

@MsLuxLisbon
its casting the net wider but also most single guys in their 20s/ early thirties are happily having fun, you might get more serious attention from slightly older men. My husband was divorced no kids: he could adult brilliantly and knew the drill with long relationships. Full head of hair, no fillings, physically fit and very very lovely kind and fun. 6 years older than me. You need somebody at the same life stage as you and most of these dudes are prob not there yet. And on the meantime the OP is getting more and more fed up.

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