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To resent that my future depends on whether a man deems me good enough

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Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 10:18

The main source of my mental health problems has been men.
I'm 33 years old and except for my very first boyfriend aged 18, who I left when I was 20, no guy has ever fallen madly in love with me.

I'm fully aware I don't need a man in my life to be happy but I'm only human and it's natural to want a connection with somebody. Not that it's attractive to admit that, mind. You're supposed to not be looking at all and absolutely love being single until someone unexpectedly falls into your lap, otherwise you're 'desperate'.

I'd be ok with it if more people chose to be single, however I hardly know anyone who's single, every bloody person I know is with someone, especially at this age, this is the worst age for me.

Men like me and find me attractive, they just don't want to date me seriously/don't want to marry me/just don't fall in love.

Everyone seems to have some guy become absolutely obsessed with them and just really want to marry them.
Guys mainly use me for an ego boost but I'm just not the one for them.

People sprout mindless fucking clichés at me all the time 'Oh it'll happen when you least expect it!' well here's the thing, I'm not 'expecting' it at all, and guess what, nobody's fallen into my lap.

'Just go online!' like it's that easy, it really isn't.
I'm attractive physically, I have stuff going for me, I travel, I am financially independent, I own property, I have hobbies, good family relationship, I have friends. In other areas of my life all is great.

I'm really not desperate, I'm sure someone will be along to tell me I'm coming across as desperate but I have turned down men too, I would not date just anyone.
My standards are not too high, either. If anything I'm very likely considered out of these men's leagues. They're just very ordinary, average men, but I liked them.

People I've dated have either not wanted a relationship after 2 months, or not wanted a bigger commitment after a few years.

Life isn't fair I guess, people will tell me to 'love myself first ' and all the usual crap. Having 10,000 hobbies is no replacement for a happy relationship. I'm sick of seeing the happy couple photos on Facebook, posing with their husband and holding the baby.

Maybe I will meet someone, but for 13 years I've had bad luck. I've never been anyone's 'one'.

I can't have a child alone, I don't have local family, I can't afford to be a single parent financially or otherwise, period.

Honestly, my mental health has been shot to pieces. Life still has meaning, but it's unfair that I'm deprived of what seems to come so easily to other people.

OP posts:
Palagiprincess · 23/06/2024 12:57

Euro24 · 23/06/2024 12:52

I guess that these men met their wives while both young and the wives were smart enough to stick with them.

Anyway, attractive and wealthy does not necessarily equal charismatic.

Actually, some of them are single - highly desirable and charismatic as well as wealthy and successful.

BouquetGarni224 · 23/06/2024 12:57

Euro24 · 23/06/2024 12:52

I guess that these men met their wives while both young and the wives were smart enough to stick with them.

Anyway, attractive and wealthy does not necessarily equal charismatic.

We already had this convo in another thread, where I went through all the ways you're wrong.

25 yr olds with almost no relationship experience, who read incel red pill shit all day, shouldn't be giving advice to adult women.

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 12:57

Work, but sometimes you can't win.

Last time I suggested meeting men at work, many people on here told me not to because it was a bad idea.
Then, when a colleague rejected me for that reason, they all rushed to tell me he just didn't fancy me at all and it was only an excuse. 🙄

OP posts:
Boobettes · 23/06/2024 12:56

Bangwam1 · 23/06/2024 12:53

You have made a lucky escape. You don’t want one, trust 💖

Use them and throw them away, like they do us

I'm not sure the OP needs to be burdened with your issues.

She has enough of her own.

'Trust'.

beatrix1234 · 23/06/2024 12:56

MsLuxLisbon · 23/06/2024 12:50

What does his benzo use have to do with things? And he is not a 'misogynist'. I knew that the very mention of him would bring out all the kneejerk reactions, though, so thanks for proving me right. If you don't like him, fine. My advice was for the OP.

He’s got a very low opinion of women in general, and yes, a benzo addiction affects your brain usually in not a good way.

Disturbia81 · 23/06/2024 12:56

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 12:48

I think I look my best now, not when I was early 20s, I'm completely confident in how I look apart from the odd off day.
If a man rejects me for 20s then I don't want him anyway.

Love this attitude. Good men don't aim young, and I too look better than my chubby faced non stylish insecure self in my teens and 20s. I get asked out more now in my 40s, stared at etc

BouquetGarni224 · 23/06/2024 12:54

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 12:42

I've just been asked by a 39 year old man on message 3 on a dating site if I'm a 'good girl ' 🤢

Old is full of cheaters, sex seekers etc

They project their own motivations onto women on there.

I remember a guy asking me if I was "adventurous" after a couple of messages.

I just ended the convo shortly after but I felt like saying "well I've done a solo parachute jump, travelled around west Africa, taught Tefl in Japan" etc but you don't mean that, do you?You mean some BS clicked sexual nonsense; I'm not "adventurous" if i don't send you noods or have sex; which would actually be the definition of not non adventurous, because I've fucked numerous men before.

Then there was the guy who announced he was a really good kisser in the middle of our convo about our jobs, industry, tech etc.

Most women I know who've done OLD have gotten dick pics.

There are just so many creeps and chancers on there.

Are you trying any other ways of meeting people?

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 23/06/2024 12:54

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 12:48

I think I look my best now, not when I was early 20s, I'm completely confident in how I look apart from the odd off day.
If a man rejects me for 20s then I don't want him anyway.

I think that’s great. I wish more women felt like that.

objectively I think all women have something attractive about them.

I know you are struggling, but try not to lose that.

However, if no man has wanted to date you for more than a couple of months, there’s obviously something not working.

Do you have any friends that would be absolutely (but kindly) honest with you?

Happyher · 23/06/2024 12:54

You only have to look on mumsnet for a few days to realise those so called perfect relationships are actually not perfect at all

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 12:54

Bore off with the 'desperate' now, it's old. Just used to put women down.

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Bangwam1 · 23/06/2024 12:53

You have made a lucky escape. You don’t want one, trust 💖

Use them and throw them away, like they do us

Euro24 · 23/06/2024 12:52

Palagiprincess · 23/06/2024 12:43

Also wrong. Your're making some ridiculous generalisations. I have plenty of wealthy, successful, attractive male friends in my social circle who don't fit with any of your assumptions. Again, what you're claiming may be true of some men but most definitely not all.

Edited

I guess that these men met their wives while both young and the wives were smart enough to stick with them.

Anyway, attractive and wealthy does not necessarily equal charismatic.

godmum56 · 23/06/2024 12:52

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 11:04

Genuine question, what does being desperate look like?
I'm busy, I have my life, I don't want to constantly text, I have rejected 2 guys this year, that's all.

well I'd say this looks like desperation to me....sorry but you did ask.
"I can't have a child alone, I don't have local family, I can't afford to be a single parent financially or otherwise, period.

Honestly, my mental health has been shot to pieces. Life still has meaning, but it's unfair that I'm deprived of what seems to come so easily to other people."

MsLuxLisbon · 23/06/2024 12:51

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 12:48

I think I look my best now, not when I was early 20s, I'm completely confident in how I look apart from the odd off day.
If a man rejects me for 20s then I don't want him anyway.

Exactly. I am early forties, eight years older than you. I look way way better than I did in my twenties, and though I say it as shouldn't, better than many of the over made up, overweight, and overbotoxed women that I see in their twenties now.

MsLuxLisbon · 23/06/2024 12:50

beatrix1234 · 23/06/2024 12:45

Jordan Peterson is quite a pill popping misogynist so any dating advice by the guy should be taken with a massive pinch of salt.

What does his benzo use have to do with things? And he is not a 'misogynist'. I knew that the very mention of him would bring out all the kneejerk reactions, though, so thanks for proving me right. If you don't like him, fine. My advice was for the OP.

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 12:48

I think I look my best now, not when I was early 20s, I'm completely confident in how I look apart from the odd off day.
If a man rejects me for 20s then I don't want him anyway.

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beatrix1234 · 23/06/2024 12:48

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 12:44

I really can't see anything i did, and I'm not just saying that. I was positive, I wasn't pushy or anything.

Maybe the guys you dated have a different opinion hence the reason I’m advising some introspection on your part and some feedback from them .

MsLuxLisbon · 23/06/2024 12:47

Euro24 · 23/06/2024 12:41

Why should she settle?
Because all those charismatic, good looking etc men of her age she wants have a pool of younger women to choose from. That's why.

A lot of 30-35 year olds go for women their age. It is a myth that every man wants a young woman. Especially considering that so so many young women look like Love Island candidates. OP should take heart and think of Sienna Miller: just had her second child with a man in his late twenties. Of course, celebrities are different from most people but I fail to believe that a beautiful, successful, talented woman is going to be rejected by men her own age.

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 23/06/2024 12:47

MsLuxLisbon · 23/06/2024 12:34

What makes a person mediocre is having limited ambition, intelligence, attractiveness, charisma, interest.

Non of those things make someone mediocre. They make someone mediocre to YOU. You have no idea if other women fall into this category or not. Or wether other people feel the same.

What is ‘limited ambition’?

and what exactly is intelligence? Only someone who has a degree from certain universities? IQ?

Attractiveness is subjective as is charisma. Not even sure what interest is to be honest.

The point is you don’t know Op and you don’t know these other women to know what they are like. As far as you know Op may have no charisma in real life at all. Would you then downgrade her to mediocre?

Personally, I don’t see anyone as mediocre I think it’s a really shitty thing to decide unless someone fits these really narrow list of YOUR preferences they must be less than.

beatrix1234 · 23/06/2024 12:45

MsLuxLisbon · 23/06/2024 12:42

It might be 'creepy' but it's also effective. I will probably get shouted down for this, but I would recommend that @Iwilldrawjapan check out what Jordan Peterson has to say on this issue. He is a controversial figure and I by no means agree with everything he says, but some of his talks are quite edifying.

Jordan Peterson is quite a pill popping misogynist so any dating advice by the guy should be taken with a massive pinch of salt.

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 12:44

beatrix1234 · 23/06/2024 12:42

Maybe you’re doing something wrong? (I don’t know you so have no idea). 12 years of continuous rejection is too much. I would take some accountability, immerse myself in an introspective journey and call some of those ex’s who rejected you and ask them “why” (tell them you’re doing some self introspection research), once you have enough responses see if there’s a pattern.

I really can't see anything i did, and I'm not just saying that. I was positive, I wasn't pushy or anything.

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Palagiprincess · 23/06/2024 12:43

Euro24 · 23/06/2024 12:41

Why should she settle?
Because all those charismatic, good looking etc men of her age she wants have a pool of younger women to choose from. That's why.

Also wrong. Your're making some ridiculous generalisations. I have plenty of wealthy, successful, attractive male friends in my social circle who don't fit with any of your assumptions. Again, what you're claiming may be true of some men but most definitely not all.

BouquetGarni224 · 23/06/2024 12:43

Marmalade1987 · 23/06/2024 12:42

Not to be pedantic but 99% aren’t in couples

Does that cover married couples?

Doesn't look like it.

beatrix1234 · 23/06/2024 12:42

Iwilldrawjapan · 23/06/2024 10:37

It's not because I am not currently in a relationship. It's because I have been rejected by men I liked/loved for 12 years in a row. Despite apparently being nice, attractive and so on. I don't really know anyone else this has happened to.

Maybe you’re doing something wrong? (I don’t know you so have no idea). 12 years of continuous rejection is too much. I would take some accountability, immerse myself in an introspective journey and call some of those ex’s who rejected you and ask them “why” (tell them you’re doing some self introspection research), once you have enough responses see if there’s a pattern.

BouquetGarni224 · 23/06/2024 12:42

Oh great, we really need an incel, red piller on this thread (Euro).

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