To think Jewish people are the scapegoats of humanity?

You can invent all the responses you want, but you certainly can't glean that from my response. The question was, what would other governments do? Other governments, when they do intervene, negotiate. The most hostages that Israel got released, was when it negotiated i.e. over 100. By force it rescued 3 and killed a few others by mistake. Given this, I am not sure where the claim comes from that Israel is held to a different standard to other democracies when it is asked to refrain from its actions in Gaza. I just can't follow the logic of that

Ironic username.

well said

Agree and yes I'm non Jewish

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What did the British Government do when Terry Waite or John McCarthy were kidnapped in Lebanon or Rachel and Paul Chandler were kidnapped by Somali pirates? There seem to be a number of unsubstantiated claims on this thread that people don't know the history, or don't like Jews, or that they are held to a different standard. It is not the case.

It is perfectly possible that people can hold a different opinion from Israel and its supporters and so make legitimate criticisms, which as a democracy Israel should be able to take. This is just part of free speech.

I'm discussing my experiences as an Irish (non Jewish) person. Israel is often criticized but Jewish people are not.

@kkloo

Well no, you've just decided that historical antisemitism is the reason that some plights are deemed important.

"The" reason is far too strong and is not my claim.

There's a lot more to be said about how antisemitism may have shaped Ireland's political consciousness and actions in the 20th century. But I didn't want to go too hard on that point, because I think a lot of countries have a lot to be ashamed of and it's not a competition.

As a Jewish woman I can assure you are incorrect when you say., Jewish people have not been spoken badly about, criticised because people don’t nave reason to and are not on peoples radar to criticise because we have no reason to is 100% not the experience of my family or friends. How can you possibly say this? It is utter nonsense.

There is no issue with Jewish people, they're not a group that people speak badly about or criticize because we don't have reason to. They're not on peoples radar to criticize because we really have no issue with them. There's no 'othering' going on that's any different than how we feel about other groups who we don't really come into contact with.

As I said as an Irish person I always would have been aware of the plight of Palestinians, the only Jewish person I knew served in the Israel defense forces! I didn't have an issue with him either, he was always nice to me.

Once again, people condemning the Israeli government are not condemning Jewish people.

Where is the lack of condemnation? I find such claims astonishing. The Prime Minister, the Leader of the Opposition and a whole variety of other officials condemned Oct 7th. Prince William expressed sympathy for both Israeli and Palestinean civilians caught up in it, even though the Royal Family don't even get involved in these matters typically.

Compare that to the UK and US reaction to an actual genocide in Rwanda, where they pretended at the time in 1994 it wasn't, so that they didn't have to intervene or take refugees in. They then apologised many years after the event and said oh yes it was a genocide after all. Investigative journalism showed that the US and UK knew all along but deliberately misled for the reasons I've already stated.

YANBU, OP.

I grew up outside of New York City. The only place in the world with a larger population of Jewish people is Israel. So I wondered how many Jewish people live in Ireland? Google says about 2,500. I suppose if you don't know any Jewish people it's easy to other them. If they're your friends and neighbors and coworkers and husbands and wives, you'll feel sympathetic and and protective.

The YABU people seem to be hand waving the antisemitism in the past away because they believe this time the Jews deserve it.

Well I also think that ordinary Chinese people who are ruled by a communist, authoritarian and brutal regime don't have the same choice over their rulers and the policies they pursue as a democracy which holds regular elections. So not even plausible whataboutery

Are you saying they are scapegoated more because they've been in existence for longer?

Many groups that were targeted, marginalised and and scapegoated in the past no longer exist.

I watched a documentary about the Nuremberg trials the other day - it was actual footage from the trials.

I’m not Jewish. I’m barely anything, tbh.

You know, as the daughter of a WWII soldier who has studied history and thought she knew just about everything there was to know about those atrocities and about Nuremberg, there was so much I didn’t know. And what I learned was horrifying. Sickening.

I may be in my 60s, but I just can’t comprehend how killing innocent people accomplishes anything.

Old men make war, young men die fighting it.
And millions of innocents get in their way.

It’s theater of the absurd.

Also is no one going to call out that the propaganda in this post:

"Eyes gouged out, breasts sliced off, beheadings, families tied together with wire and burned alive, the most insanely violent gang rapes (where the victims were cruelly taunted by the perpetrators), infanticide, human trophies (dead bodies) driven around the streets of Gaza for civilians to stamp and spit on…let me guess, you’re not across the details of this atrocity either right?"

Most of these stories were largely disproven. I'm
also not sure why this is relevant. Nor does a rundown of other horrible wars in anyway undermine the 40,000 innocent Palestinian lives lost because it's currently a smaller number.

Jews do not deserve to experience racism. Criticism of Israel's genocide should not be met with oneupmanship using an insane dramatisation of news that didn't happen.

Just as - Palestinians do not deserve to live under apartheid or through genocide and criticism of Hamas's attack does not need to be followed with a run down of all the atrocities against Palestinian children.

Basically, stop conflating Judaism with Israeli war crimes and at least then true antisemites will be exposed for what they really are.

Stop killing people. Talk.

And I want war to stop because it seriously harms animals. I don't care about the humans, who just seem to want to fight and argue forever.

As a Jewish person, I'd like to say that I agree with you. This is not about Judaism but about colonialism and the broader plan to silence and destroy the Palestinians. We are witnessing a genocide and a war which is (and always has been) incredibly one-sided. An apartheid state like Israel, (as defined by Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and B'tselem (an Israeli independent organisation)), cannot expect that an oppressed people will not fight back after years of siege. There is no excuse for using any of this as an excuse for antisemitism or racism but I'd advise other Jewish sisters to please stop conflating a beautiful religion with war crimes by blindly supporting Israel and its atrocities.

There's definitely been awful racism towards black people and Africans too, but does it go back as far in history as the racism towards Jewish people? I don't know. Maybe someone else does?

Obviously it's not a competition and all racism is shameful. But OP's posts are asking if there's any other group that's faced it for so long through history. I don't know? (I think possibly disabled people).

When I was reading about the Eastern Orthodox Church, I found the history of Ethiopian Christians interesting. One of the oldest Christian groups in the world, maybe the oldest?

Anyway when reading about that it reminded me about Ethiopian Jewish people. They're not the only Jewish people who are black. I think there used to be a UK MP who was black and Jewish (and a woman). Can't remember her name.

I used to be glued to the news all the time more than most people following conflicts and disasters and all bad news stories etc. and it negatively impacted my life and my general mindset about how hopeless the world is.

Having dealt with very poor mental health I now choose to not follow much of what is going on in the world so save your superior, patronizing bullshit.

That certainly doesn't mean that I don't condemn the actions of other groups who are persecuting people. I just don't follow what is going on anymore.