To think Jewish people are the scapegoats of humanity?

As a poster mentioned other indigenous people on this thread, I found this article and thought it might be of interest to some on here. I realise she's not speaking for all Maori's but it's worth reading her take.

Put simply, Trotter does not believe that Jews are a colonial, occupying force in Israel, as some have positioned them to be. “They have more than a three and a half thousand year connection with the land,” she says. “Their ancestors have lived there since time immemorial."

She concluded: “It is not difficult to see that the Jewish people fulfil the requirements for Indigeneity.” In fact, she finds much similarity, even overlap, between Jewish culture and her own Maori heritage.
“Dispossession, disenfranchisement, discrimination; all these things that also the Jewish people have suffered form,” Trotter says. “We see it and recognize it. And they had the same Indigenous longing for their land as we have for our land.”

Trotter notes that there has been pushback to the notion of Jews as Indigenous to Israel, even within the global Indigenous community. But she says much of that has been rooted in antisemitism.

“We’re living in a time when antisemitism is is reaching horrendous levels,” she says.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/jews-are-an-indigenous-people-to-israel-says-maori-director-of-indigenous-embassy-jerusalem/ar-BB1o2lPj

agreed, hence why this is another deflection.

It's hardly a deflection if it relates to what you just posted.

Nice attempt at deflection.

Puzzledandpissedoff
That doesn't really make sense does it?
It's precisely because we know that Palestinians are not all Hamas supporters that I hoped enough would speak out against them before it was too late”

It makes complete sense.

You’d speak out, would you, against a terrorist organisation, knowing the life of your extended family was in your hands if you did so?

No, of course you wouldn’t. You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that peaceful Palestinians have the luxury of free will.

Claiming what the previous poster has done is demonstrably untrue.

"can be demonstrably true/untrue when trying to argue about who lived where and moved where thousands of years ago."

The only people using historical biblical claims to justify actions are a part one group (not all) The other in this conflict has clear evidence of continuous occupation for hundreds/thousands of years.

My ally? I don’t know anyone on here! I disagreed with your posts. Why do you assume you know better?

You cast that first stone. Can't even deal with history stretching back a few hours, let alone a few thousand years.

Oh, I thought hearsay was enough for you though? And I've definitely heard it said that he said Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine, which should be enough for you based on your previous comments.

Ah yes, trying to claim that 'historical evidence' is perfectly non-contentious and can be demonstrably true/untrue when trying to argue about who lived where and moved where thousands of years ago.

Spoken like a true tiktokker.

Ask your ally who has turned it into name calling when I'm quite clearly here answering the question. I have not resorted to name calling either.

It’s a very painful and sensitive topic for some of us, not an excuse to play little games online.

Check your sources of who said it.

Then go and look at the historical evidence of what they've said, then it's demonstrably untrue and therefore dismissable. If you'd raised a point that wasn't factually proved to be incorrect then it wouldn't be.

You can of course apply Hitchen's Razor to their claims but they appeared to be not making them in a malicious way.

No minimisation has happened on my part.

I heard someone say that it's rather gratifying to see you being mocked so badly.

:)

Really. Keep going, it's rather gratifying for you to prove my point for me.

But someone has said it? Unlike the other poster, I even provided evidence that someone has said it yet you believe the hearsay of another poster but not me? 🥹🥹🥹

It's almost like you're moving the goal posts to support your narrative of choice.

Anyway, if you could stop minimising anti-Semitism and blaming Israel for the increase in anti-Semitism on this thread (and ideally elsewhere too) that would be fabulous. Thanks!

https://danielrosehill.medium.com/a-letter-to-my-irish-friends-about-antisemitism-b4a63df4e2fb

Here's someone saying antisemitism is universally tolerated in Ireland.

Coming from someone who's idea of demonstrating facts means putting some text on a 20 second video of themselves dancing.

Keep trying, you aren't doing a good job.

No.

Second point is irrelevant. The people posting on here are almost certainly not the government. We are mainly British Jews talking about our genuine experiences of antisemitism. Yet, I’ve seen people being petty over the definition and trying to argue “oh me and my friends don’t hate Jews” as if that’s got anything to do with anything.

You still don’t get to speak on behalf of Jewish people though! I don’t care if you’re Irish or not, it’s irrelevant. Neither you nor I get to speak on half of other marginalised groups especially when it’s dismissing lived experience.

You say “we” don’t have a problem, well quite frankly, I don’t care about your anecdata. The statistics show a rise in antisemitism. Evidence is what matters. People fall over themselves with facts and figures on here, until it goes against their point.

With the caveat being your tiktok knowledge is the sole arbiter of what you believe is factually untrue. So I guess I have my answer now.

So I guess they're both true?

How is that not blaming Palestineans? Are enough Israelis speaking out against the Israeli government's war crimes?