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most of us would steal a million from a big multinational if we knew we'd get away with it

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allmyown · 22/06/2024 21:39

I would. I would also steal from some individuals, like Sunak, or other multimillionaires.

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DivergentTris · 24/06/2024 06:46

Ok, so you're dishonest and immoral enough to steal the money and get away with it, but that can be the easy bit, what would you do with it once you have it?

Do you realise how hard it is to spend dirty money? It's often this part that jumps up and bites you on your arse and then everyone will find out how dishonest and immoral you are and you'd end up looking like a right dickhead.

Gingerdancedbackwards · 24/06/2024 06:37

pandasorous · 23/06/2024 07:29

pretty much but not all sheikhs (this is used as a first name all over the world and not just in oil rich regions and also used as a title by religious scholars), as specified oil sheikhs. and didn't say they spend ALL their money on debauchery, but a lot of it, yes. the stories I could tell you.

ps I am taking from personal experience and I'm Muslim (not that I think the majority of oil sheikhs practise Islam in any meaningful way) of middle Eastern ancestry.

either way, this whole thread is tongue in cheek. so maybe take a chill pill?

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Thank you so much for the unwarranted and unnecessary lesson on the nomcleture of sheiks
Just because one is of a certain culture and religion does not make one an authority on it, but throw out tropes to boost a tongue-in-cheek post if it helps

ClareBlue · 23/06/2024 21:07

I love the mindset that thinks it's fine to steal from morally bankruptcy businesses or people because they are ripping off people or overcharging etc. Because you then become exactly the same, which uis fine if you want to be that person. Everyone sets their own moral compass, but if you follow that path then you have no moral authority to critise when someone does it to you. And most people are honest.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 23/06/2024 21:06

No. I haven't RTT - I don't need to. My own moral code is clear. I don't steal from others. That is anyone.

StopStartStop · 23/06/2024 21:05

I would not, and I wouldn't have any respect for people who did.

Darkdiamond · 23/06/2024 20:58

I find that most people with this 'one rule for me and another rule for thee' approach, are generally quite slimy in a lot of their affairs, due to how easily they can deceive themselves about a situations moral neutrality.

No, I never would.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 23/06/2024 20:51

Nope. Stealing or not stealing is something that's based on your own moral integrity, not based on a sliding scale of the wealth of the person/organisation you'd be stealing from. If you steal for any other reason than absolute need (starving family etc), you are a bad person.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 23/06/2024 20:45

BooneyBeautiful · 22/06/2024 22:09

Except you then have to prove where the money came from.

That is the problem, of course. Plus the audit trail of where the money's gone in the first place. It's like some people think it's like taking from the till and the money can't be traced.

People that daft invariably get caught. Ex was an auditor (pre-computer) and he did explain to me how it could be done, but it meant very fast on your feet, stealing enough to last you for the rest of your life and probably living somewhere that didn't have an extradition treaty with the UK.

Opposum · 23/06/2024 17:25

coldcallerbaiter · 23/06/2024 13:18

Agree and also to these Robin Hoods, if society crumbles, say in a war or natural disaster, all we have is our morals and possessions. It is ok to steal from a billionaire now, but when it hits the fan, millionaires will be fair game…then the eyes will settle on you and it will be YOUR turn to get pillaged. They will get away with it after all, so it is fine…

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Don't even need to wait for an apocalypse. Anybody could use the same logic to justify stealing from the millionaire thief.
I suppose for the 'big multinational' the justification is that no single individual would lose anything.

coldcallerbaiter · 23/06/2024 13:18

Universalsnail · 22/06/2024 22:15

As long as I definitely wouldn't get caught and there would be zero consequences to the theft then I wouldn't think twice about it, not just from big corporations but also from billionaires.

In reality though I can't think of a situation where I could possibly be 100 percent confident enough to be sure I would get away with it and if I wasn't 100 percent confident then it wouldn't be worth the life long anxiety I'd have to live with over it. So I wouldn't do it.

Agree and also to these Robin Hoods, if society crumbles, say in a war or natural disaster, all we have is our morals and possessions. It is ok to steal from a billionaire now, but when it hits the fan, millionaires will be fair game…then the eyes will settle on you and it will be YOUR turn to get pillaged. They will get away with it after all, so it is fine…

coldcallerbaiter · 23/06/2024 13:13

The reality there no such thing as the 3 wishes from a genie that you get to dictate the outcome of the theft. There is never a guarantee in real life that you get away with it. Even if you do not mind prison, your name is still on Google as a thief potentially for the rest if your life. Your reputation and ability to work is damaged and people would hold you in low regard.

Scottishshortbread11877 · 23/06/2024 10:14

I wouldn't? I wouldn't steal from anyone

hushabybaby · 23/06/2024 10:01

Years ago before digital banking I paid in a cheque for £72.50

I was paid in cash by my employer so didn't really check my bank statement, and direct debits weren't really a thing then either.

6 months later I discovered that they had put in my account as £72,500.

This would have been a life changing amount of money, but I told the bank.

Do I regret it? Kind of as I don't think they would've realised.

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 23/06/2024 09:46

If I KNEW I would get away with it, there's no end to what I would do OP.

But I don't.

Nouvellenovel · 23/06/2024 09:31

Well anyone shopping at Tesco should think about who they’re giving money to.
Read about Shirley Porter.
And then feel sorry for millionaires.

Kovus · 23/06/2024 09:20

NalafromtheLionKing · 23/06/2024 09:15

It’s an interesting question. I wonder how many people who are sent things in error or undercharged at the till would speak up, too.

I think some people's minds work differently for an error of £10 and something else that could be life-changing. I can imagine there are only a few people whose hearts would not race if they logged onto their bank accounts and saw a Monopoly style 'Bank error in your favour' of £1m. Most people would think about it for a bit.

NalafromtheLionKing · 23/06/2024 09:15

MILTOBE · 22/06/2024 22:22

I wouldn't do those things, by the way! Just wondering how far the OP would go.

It’s an interesting question. I wonder how many people who are sent things in error or undercharged at the till would speak up, too.

SlothOnARope · 23/06/2024 09:14

Doesn't surprise me OP. Attitudes like yours are sadly the norm now.

I don't steal anything from anyone nor would I ever, despite hating corporate greed and being on my arse financially with no security.

Why did you start this thread, is it a survey of how immoral we've become under the current government?

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 23/06/2024 09:11

No. I’d have no pleasure spending stolen money.

CoralReader · 23/06/2024 09:10

Anybody would do anything if they knew they wouldn’t get caught,

Soubriquet · 23/06/2024 09:10

God yes. They probably wouldn’t even notice it. It’s pennies to them

Kovus · 23/06/2024 09:07

most of us would steal a million from a big multinational if we knew we'd get away with it

The issue I have with this is statement is that no one can every really know. If having weighed up the risks, one can only make an assumption. We can only know if we can foresee all possible risks. We would have to be pretty clued up to do that. And if that is the case we should be in a position to be smarter than the average human being and able to make money in honest ways.

AdoraBell · 23/06/2024 09:04

I would not.

Oblomov24 · 23/06/2024 09:02

Interesting. My first thought was hell yes, but only from a big boy not the little man, but I don't think it'd be enjoyable because it would always be tainted money.

Kovus · 23/06/2024 08:59

gillefc82 · 23/06/2024 00:29

As someone who spent over 20 years working for two FTSE Top 30 multinational companies in their risk management departments, their financial controls are very tight and you’d be amazed at some of the tactics they use to identify fraud and other inappropriate activities. Even if you were able to appropriate the money, an incident like that would definitely be investigated.

There is no such thing as a victimless crime either, which means the company could look to recoup the loss by raising prices or, more likely, determine that the process control failure that allowed you to steal the money could be prevented through increased automation and adoption of digital technology and AI at a more rapid pace, likely resulting in a load of obsolete roles and people being made redundant.

This is all very true these days, but internal controls were never as strong. I have several experiences in a professional capacity including;

A listed life business with a capital budget of £X millions a year for specific equipment which was always underbudget. The supplier would send invoices for the full amount. They and the procurer would pocket the difference. It was around £2m a year on average over three years.

A large still privately-owned manufacturer had a stock difference on steel of £1m between one stocktake period and the next. After numerous double-checks it was confirmed the stock could only have been physically removed, ie not an accounting error.

An estate agent who with her wider family built a large property company since the 1980's mortgaged the whole lot, plus her home, to buy a commercial property overseas. When the cash was in the bank she disappeared to a small country and never came back. The key to all the properties were neatly labelled and laid out on an office table. These days the banks do more stringent checks before releasing the money.

If you go back about 30 years many large business deals were done in cash. Real cash. I was once at a meeting where £600k was offered to buy a property and the purchaser opened a briefcase, turned it round, and the money was literally there. This was a key executive with a well known building society.

Just to add - not a single one of the above was ever brought to account.