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PupInAPram · 2024-06-22T19:15:25+00:00

{mention:pleasehelpwi3} said it best.

FOJN · 23/06/2024 11:33

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:17

🤣 you think Conservative/Reform are LESS misogynistic?? 🤣

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In your opinion anyone voting for a party you don't approve of is either too rich to care about women's issues or supports racists.

I usually find it's privileged middle class (not all by any means) women who only seem to care about vulnerable, traumatised or disadvantaged women when they can use them to virtue signal. They seem to care less about women being locked in cells with rapists or being denied health care because they prefer a female HCP. And yes this has happened.

I think the general consensus is that the right think women are private property and the left think women are public property. I can avoid the misogynists who think my place is in the home, it's harder to navigate life when state sanctioned misogynists influence aspects of policy which my safety and dignity depend upon.

So no I do not think they are less misogynistic but at the moment their brand of misogyny seems like the lesser of two evils.

CassieMaddox · 23/06/2024 11:33

ActivePeony · 23/06/2024 09:48

"there are people who have opposed this bill that cloak themselves in women's rights to make it acceptable, but just as they're transphobic you'll also find that they're deeply misogynist, often homophobic, possibly some of them racist as well"

I remember this bottom of the barrel bullshit from Sturgeon. Absolutely appalling.

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Absolutely true. You only need to spend a short while on twitter to see it.
E.g. this tweet.

I'm not sure why you are denying something that is patently obvious. She didn't say all GC people are like this; she said some are and she's right.

Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:33

DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 11:31

Reform are polling about 10%, so I expect a proportion of women who consider sex immutable and dimorphic in humans will be intending to vote for them.

What I'd like to see is the left parties sort out their gender problems, so that I have someone to vote for.

I totally get women voting for Labour and I kind of agree with Bindel that they're the best of a bad bunch overall. What I'd like to see though is people holding them to account on this issue and not just trying to sweep it under the carpet.

DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 11:31

Reform are polling about 10%, so I expect a proportion of women who consider sex immutable and dimorphic in humans will be intending to vote for them.

What I'd like to see is the left parties sort out their gender problems, so that I have someone to vote for.

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:30

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:29

oh Christ, just go on Twitter and do your own search...I just posted a thread of Sharron Davies, with a load of responders saying they are voting reform

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And I just posted Julie Bindel whose voting Labour. Nothing of this is statistically significant - they're just random anecdata.

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:29

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:26

I can't say this lady strikes me as a prominent GC person. I mean we can find anything if we look hard enough for it. But what does it prove beyond GC being a wide range of people?

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oh Christ, just go on Twitter and do your own search...I just posted a thread of Sharron Davies, with a load of responders saying they are voting reform

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:29

Here's Julie Bindel voting Labour for example

https://x.com/bindelj/status/1801571425867706565

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https://x.com/bindelj/status/1801571425867706565

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 11:29

RealFeminist · 23/06/2024 10:47

YE CANNE EVEN SPEL FEMININIMISM

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That can't be right, it doesn't have the word MEN in the middle of it.

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:28

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 23/06/2024 11:12

Me too.

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search function on Twitter

x.com/sharrond62/status/1804599959984980087?t=bmn_1o6cLoYzFvC22TOilQ&s=19

DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 11:28

Mycatsmudge · 23/06/2024 11:04

I work in the NHS and there is a lot of trans activists and many are in leadership roles. What’s scary is some aspects of healthcare are only applicable for either biological males or females. If the NHS blurs the lines for this in the name of inclusivity then I fear for the health outcomes for both sexes.

There was a tragic case of a transman in the US who was admitted with abdominal pain, records said 'man' and so she was assumed to be male and her pregnancy was not noted.

I assume this is why everyone, male and female, are now asked if they may be pregnant. I'm told this is often very confusing for elderly males.

ActivePeony · 23/06/2024 11:27

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 10:52

it's a luxury, voting on the self ID as THE priority. People are unable to house and feed themselves and it disproportionately affects women. it's bullshit that feminists should prioritise self ID as the reason to vote. loads voting reform because of it, which will be shit for women. at this point I believe a lot of the GC feminists are a) too rich to care about other issues and/or b) racist/Islamophobic.

Hi Nicola!

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:26

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:24

I am sure you know how to use the search function in Twitter. this is the first post that came up for e. do you need me to go through and link to every single post, or can you take it from here?

https://x.com/IamGCWendy/status/1803409303153344947?t=3TgONuhxgRdHYIgG5dzzQw&s=19

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I can't say this lady strikes me as a prominent GC person. I mean we can find anything if we look hard enough for it. But what does it prove beyond GC being a wide range of people?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/06/2024 11:25

I just don't see that they are representative of GC women 🤷‍♀️ it's an unfounded anecdotal claim.

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:24

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:12

So can you share the names of some of these GC women voting Reform? I'm very interested in who they might be?

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I am sure you know how to use the search function in Twitter. this is the first post that came up for e. do you need me to go through and link to every single post, or can you take it from here?

https://x.com/IamGCWendy/status/1803409303153344947?t=3TgONuhxgRdHYIgG5dzzQw&s=19

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https://x.com/IamGCWendy/status/1803409303153344947?s=19&t=3TgONuhxgRdHYIgG5dzzQw

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:20

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:17

There have been several posters on Mumsnet over the past few days saying that they're GC and intend to vote Reform.

Who as a matter of interest?

EasternStandard · 23/06/2024 11:19

Women get to vote as they want obviously and some posters voting in one way doesn’t represent any one else

I haven’t seen much from GC posters and mention of Reform

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:19

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:16

if Reform gets voted in, having sex segregated places will be the least of their worries

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Stop avoiding the question. If self id becomes de rigour, these women have a lot to lose.

But you just don't care about that, right? They're collateral damage.

And somehow everyone else is Islamophobic 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

God help us all - the lack of logic is staggering

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/06/2024 11:19

By your logic anyone voting Labour, Greens, LibDems doesn't care about the misogyny they are voting for.

This.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/06/2024 11:18

"Several posters on Mumsnet"

"Loads of GC women"

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:17

FOJN · 23/06/2024 11:14

By your logic anyone voting Labour, Greens, LibDems doesn't care about the misogyny they are voting for.

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🤣 you think Conservative/Reform are LESS misogynistic?? 🤣

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:17

There have been several posters on Mumsnet over the past few days saying that they're GC and intend to vote Reform.

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:16

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:14

And what ... those women can just suck it up? Be collateral damage?

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if Reform gets voted in, having sex segregated places will be the least of their worries

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:15

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/06/2024 11:13

Why do you follow women on Twitter who you dislike so much?

I didn't say I didn't like them. but I don't only follow people that I like. I don't know anyone who does that. I follow people I can't stand. i don't use X to socialise, I use it for news and current affairs etc

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:14

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:13

oh I definitely have considered that impact

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And what ... those women can just suck it up? Be collateral damage?

FOJN · 23/06/2024 11:14

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:11

give over. if you are involved in the GC movement then you will know exactly what I am talking about. but even if you aren't familiar, voting Conservative/Reform because of this issue...then yes, either too rich to know/care about issues that women are facing, or don't care about the racism you are voting for

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By your logic anyone voting Labour, Greens, LibDems doesn't care about the misogyny they are voting for.