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Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

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PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:15

@pleasehelpwi3 said it best.

Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?
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DrMcCleodsBloatedCorpus · 23/06/2024 11:58

@ilovesooty

And I'm sure you also know better than to claim I posted an untruth.

that sounds a bit threatening.

NoWordForFluffy · 23/06/2024 11:57

EasternStandard · 23/06/2024 11:19

Women get to vote as they want obviously and some posters voting in one way doesn’t represent any one else

I haven’t seen much from GC posters and mention of Reform

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I haven't seen anybody saying they're voting Reform over this issue. People saying they'd never vote Reform and discounting it as an option, but not actively voting for them.

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:54

EasternStandard · 23/06/2024 11:45

Why should people accept your post if you don’t back it up with an example?

I haven’t seen what you’re talking about

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Accept it or not - please yourself. I'm sure you can use the search function as well. And I'm sure you also know better than to claim I posted an untruth.

DataScraperResistanceArmy · 23/06/2024 11:53

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ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:52

DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 11:45

The sensible approach would be to ask them and consider their reasons, rather than attempting to smear or shame people for their choices.

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erm, the threads on twitter on women discussing their reasons. it's not a list of women going 'im voting reform'....have you ever been on twitter?

Whothefuckdoesthat · 23/06/2024 11:52

CassieMaddox · 23/06/2024 11:35

Unfortunately that isn't a "woman's right" at the moment.

https://www.lgo.org.uk/information-centre/news/2014/nov/not-providing-same-sex-carers-can-impact-dignity-says-ombudsman

Although it is not a legal requirement to provide same sex carers, where a request is made for valid reasons, the LGO maintains that a provider should make every effort to provide same sex care

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Unfortunate indeed.

The point being that they have the right to request same sex care and, if possible, they will be given same sex care. But if self id is brought in, they can request same sex care and be sent Sarah, a trans woman. And the provider can pat themselves on the back and tell the LGO that they’ve provided same sex care because Sarah identifies as a woman.

It’s a big difference.

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:49

What's the line? That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:48

DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 11:43

Are they best of a bad bunch? I prefer left economics but the trouble is that I have lost all trust in Labour and Libs because they are claiming men can be women. It's either duplicity, stupidity, or both, with a hefty dollop of misogyny and homophobia thrown in.

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It's difficult, right.

However, there aren't many options - only really Labour/Tories are viable in my eyes at a national level. Voting for a good independent is a good solution if that's available, but it's not really relevant to what will happen at a national level.

And while I think the Tories are much better than Labour on this issue, for lots of other reasons I think it's time for them to go.

However, I'm very glad JKR has set the cat along the pigeons on this, because i hope that we can all ramp the pressure up on Labour on this topic. Perhaps that's naive, but there aren't a lot of good options.

DissidentDaughter · 23/06/2024 11:46

https://x.com/theattagirls/status/1804251391067570592?s=61

Archived, free-to-read article by JKR

EasternStandard · 23/06/2024 11:45

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:44

I might choose not to do your research for you. I'm sure you know better than to accuse me of lying

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Why should people accept your post if you don’t back it up with an example?

I haven’t seen what you’re talking about

DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 11:45

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:39

my point was it is bullshit that voting on this single issue is in the interests of feminism/women's rights. Nigel Farage is praising Andrew Tate!

But the women voting Reform may be voting for multiple reasons, not a 'single issue'. And those for whom it is a 'single issue' - there is no clear evidence that any of them are voting Reform.

The sensible approach would be to ask them and consider their reasons, rather than attempting to smear or shame people for their choices.

DialSquare · 23/06/2024 11:44

I've only ever voted Labour but I really can't vote for any of the main parties now.

I'm currently looking into this party, which at first glance looks like a promising option.

www.southendconfelicityparty.co.uk/confelicitypartygeneralelectionmanifesto24

I found this part of their manifesto interesting.

Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?
ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:44

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:40

We I'd expect you to be able to back up your points, but no matter, I can draw my own conclusions here.

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I might choose not to do your research for you. I'm sure you know better than to accuse me of lying

DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 11:43

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:33

I totally get women voting for Labour and I kind of agree with Bindel that they're the best of a bad bunch overall. What I'd like to see though is people holding them to account on this issue and not just trying to sweep it under the carpet.

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Are they best of a bad bunch? I prefer left economics but the trouble is that I have lost all trust in Labour and Libs because they are claiming men can be women. It's either duplicity, stupidity, or both, with a hefty dollop of misogyny and homophobia thrown in.

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:42

DataScraperResistanceArmy · 23/06/2024 11:37

Most of them are probably forensic linguistic PhD students faking looking for evidence of transphobia.
See how easy it is to cast baseless accusations?

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Are you saying that I made a baseless accusation?

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:40

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:38

I'm sure you can use the search function.

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We I'd expect you to be able to back up your points, but no matter, I can draw my own conclusions here.

EasternStandard · 23/06/2024 11:39

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:17

There have been several posters on Mumsnet over the past few days saying that they're GC and intend to vote Reform.

I haven’t seen much of this, I’d say at a lower rate than other platforms such as X or btl comments

Which posters are you referring to?

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:39

my point was it is bullshit that voting on this single issue is in the interests of feminism/women's rights. Nigel Farage is praising Andrew Tate!

But the women voting Reform may be voting for multiple reasons, not a 'single issue'. And those for whom it is a 'single issue' - there is no clear evidence that any of them are voting Reform.

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:38

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:20

Who as a matter of interest?

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I'm sure you can use the search function.

CassieMaddox · 23/06/2024 11:38

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 23/06/2024 11:12

Me too.

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Glad I shared that tweet now 😂

DataScraperResistanceArmy · 23/06/2024 11:37

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:17

There have been several posters on Mumsnet over the past few days saying that they're GC and intend to vote Reform.

Most of them are probably forensic linguistic PhD students faking looking for evidence of transphobia.
See how easy it is to cast baseless accusations?

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:37

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/06/2024 11:18

"Several posters on Mumsnet"

"Loads of GC women"

Confused

Where did I mention "loads of GC women"?

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:35

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:30

And I just posted Julie Bindel whose voting Labour. Nothing of this is statistically significant - they're just random anecdata.

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yes. they. are. anecdotes.

which is why it is strange that you asked me for names/examples. I haven't done a statistical analysis. I

I follow alot of GC accounts, I have seen alot of women saying they are voting reform because of self ID. go have a look yourself/don't, believe me/don't

my point was it is bullshit that voting on this single issue is in the interests of feminism/women's rights. Nigel Farage is praising Andrew Tate!

CassieMaddox · 23/06/2024 11:35

Whothefuckdoesthat · 23/06/2024 09:52

The only person who raised abuse in this scenario is you. We’re talking about people who need help with intimate care having a right to have same sex care. To be able to say ‘Sarah is very nice and very caring and I’m quite happy for them to assist me in all non intimate aspects of my care, but Sarah is a man and I do not want them helping me into the bath’. It’s nothing to do with Sarah or Sarah’s perfectly innocent intentions to just get their client clean and dry. It’s about a woman’s right to not want a man involved in her intimate care.

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Unfortunately that isn't a "woman's right" at the moment.

https://www.lgo.org.uk/information-centre/news/2014/nov/not-providing-same-sex-carers-can-impact-dignity-says-ombudsman

Although it is not a legal requirement to provide same sex carers, where a request is made for valid reasons, the LGO maintains that a provider should make every effort to provide same sex care

https://www.lgo.org.uk/

https://www.lgo.org.uk/information-centre/news/2014/nov/not-providing-same-sex-carers-can-impact-dignity-says-ombudsman