Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

I think the thread was about whether it's unreasonable to vote Labour because they will do more for women's rights in the round.

As always a small handful of posters have turned up to shout at Labour voters and try to misquote us and smear us.

It's ridiculous and the opposite of "listening to women".

No. And I don't think anyone on here are saying they are that's a very strange tangent to go off on.

So women who are vulnerable and marginalised are ignored, wealthy women don't deserve to be listened to, and none of us deserve rights.

But not one of you has been able to give a compelling argument why.

😂 What’s the weather like on your planet?

It’s a bit I’ll try to push a line if you say you don’t accept it I’ll report you

Not the best method

I think there’s plenty of evidence that men will go to extremes to access vulnerable women. However, that is not the point.

Are women who want single-sex care bigots? Yes, or no?

Also, I think if enough women heed JKR’s warning, we can keep Labour out. We hold enough of the vote. Unfortunately, I think enough will go ahead and vote Labour.

@ConservationLie wouldn't vote Reform if you paid me . I'm an Ex Lab member of many years. I am desperate to vote for them but I feel women have been treated with contempt by the Labour Party on the issue and can't vote for them. They will win and don't need my vote but I am horrified that we could consider giving away our rights. Oh and I am one of those disabled ,poor women who struggling to pay rent and pay my bills by the way every month. I also worry about becoming homeless and ending up in a hostel with a self Id ing trans woman with my daughter . I shouldn't have to be in the situation where I am concerned about exposing my daughter to a male that she doesn't know but with Self Id that is the kinda things that will affect poor women. But hey, privileged eh?

Practically every reform voter will be gender critical. They will also almost all believe the world is round and the sky is blue. The number of people who actually believe in gendered souls and that sex is not biological or is linked to ironing are infinitesimally small. Not everyone who is GC (instinctively or consciously) will vote reform, obviously, or they would win every seat that they have managed to scrape up a candidate for and who will not have been suspended by July 4th.

It’s not the fault of reform or conservative that Labour have deliberately, over YEARS slagged off women who have said even a very mild word about women’s rights. It is labour who has called women “toxic”, not reform. It is labour who has called women “rights hoarding dinosaurs”, not reform. It is labour who have said women saying very basic things about human anatomy that they are “very wrong” and those things “shouldn’t be said”. If you want to blame someone for making women’s rights an issue then blame Kier Starmer, blame Jeremy Corbyn, blame Owen Jones. They could have stopped this years ago but they chose to stand in the middle of Parliament Square with a bucket of bullshit and a whisk.

I haven’t decided yet, but I will 100% not be voting reform and I am as GC as they come. I dont know any GC women who have switched to reform and haven’t seen anyone on Twitter who has said such (but Twitter is a cess pit of bots and trolls so not sure it matters either way) I don’t think women will be better off under reform because their other policies are shit and, as a party, they are racist. Knowing what a woman is isn’t enough, you have to not be misogynistic and you have to be able to govern effectively. Reform as a whole fail on points 2 and 3, labour (and green and LibDem) on 1 & 2 (jury is out on 3) and conservatives on all 3. But it’s all GC fault for knowing sex is real. And people patronisingly ruminate about why we care.

Labelling women’s rights as a right wing issue is ridiculous.

As JK Rowling wryly comments: “why do women feel solidarity with each other on women's rights even when they disagree on other stuff? Why can't they stay in their tribes with their menfolk, who'll get round to women's rights once they've dealt with all the far more important things they've got to do?”

Answers on a postcard etc…

This was my process:

I cannot vote Labour. The misogyny is very clear. I have not been fighting for women’s right to call themselves women and for the basic reality of biology to be acknowledged only to throw it away again.

I looked at all the other parties and eliminated Greens and LD for basically the same as above.

I eliminated Reform because I simply do not think they have a viable and capable plan of running the country.

There is an independent running in my constituency and I have no idea what they stand for, so I can’t vote for them.

That leaves Conservative. I’ve voted for them before and I am happy to do so again. Overall, I believe Labour and Conservative are very similar on numerous issues. I tend to find most people don’t want to vote Tories for intangible reasons and ‘feelings’ over logic. That’s their choice.

For me this election comes down to something simple: do I want Labour in? No. The only vote that makes sense to stop that is Conservative. Voting for any of the outliers is simply allowing Labour in.

Two people with similar aims are saying it

Neither are backing it up.

If something is true, multiple people will say it.
Hth

I think that’s inevitable. It fits with views

Sometimes I do answer these questions and then get called obsessed. It's lose-lose.
I think its pretty obvious to anyone even vaguely interested in politics threads on here that you are right

I'm sure that most women were utterly preoccupied trying to make ends meet, keep themselves and their children housed, fed, healthy and safe during the period of the womens's suffrage movement. No widespread entitlement to any existence level benefits in those days.

Thank goodness therefore, for the suffragists that did have the energy, or perhaps just the luxury of education, time and resources, to be able to put their heads above the parapet, and repeatedly did so on behalf of others of their sex.

IMHO it's insulting to infer that women should be too busy thinking of bigger day to day issues/struggles to consider the erosion of their needs based rights. I'm sure many women had their thoughts thus directed by the males in their lives during the time of women's suffrage too.

You do realise that men prioritising themselves and their own requirements is one reason why many women with children struggle to make ends meet, especially following the breakdown of a relationship ? Transwomen's rights are rights given to men be treated as women, biological women's needs being eroded to give 0.1% of men what they want. Do you not see any correlation here ?

Transwomen, as you say, are 0.1% of the population, so why is it important to potentially reduce the safety and freedom of 51% of the population in order to win the trans vote ? Could it be because men are more vociferous and forceful at getting what they want in life regardless of the cost to others (others generally being weaker men or women and children) ?

This is the whole problem
Labour are not bringing in self - ID. They are going to support the sex exemptions in the Equality Act- the ones that allow care agencies to recruit a single sex to meet certain care needs. And they are going to make getting a GRC less bureaucratic.

Secondly, caring is work. It's hard and badly paid work. If a predator wanted to sexually abuse women there are much less difficult routes they can take. Being a police officer for example. Or nightclub security. Working in a bar. Especially as under the current government sexual offending is barely criminal.

This idea that hordes of men will suddenly rock up saying they are women to be carers so they can abuse people is scaremongering.

Fine by me don’t. I’ll choose whether to take your word or others with similar aims

Oh I see, you're looking for someone to snitch on!

@CassieMaddox says she's seen the posts too.

It can be verified easily enough. I just don't care to do the search for you.

I know people are a bit delete happy and it seems an attempt to get to that but no I’ll take statements with a back up

It’s the internet people post stuff, I’m not aware your posts have a guarantee - the same as any other

I do know you haven’t backed up your claim and others say the same as me, they haven’t seen it

As for emoji hour down there no I haven’t seen it hence the request to back up the claims

I'm referring to the talk guidelines. It would be a personal attack to state that I was lying and I'm sure posters who've posted here for a long time know that.

😂
"I haven't seen it, therefore it doesn't exist"

You only make yourself look a bit silly. Lots of posters claiming they will vote Reform on this issue over the last couple of days. Lots of GC, suffragette hearts posters on twix retweeting and posting anti Muslim, far right stuff.

Oh and BTW I follow accounts of both sides as I like to draw my own conclusions.