Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

I've never voted for any right wing party in my life and I'm not about to start now. However, I don't feel able to vote for Labour because I cannot trust them on this, and the Greens and Lib Dems are even worse. Which is frustrating, but I genuinely don't feel I can vote with any integrity for anyone who has gone all-in for this crap; it displays a lack of critical thinking of a level that I can't trust that they'll be capable of effectively addressing anything else or looking at facts.

I'll be voting this time for an independent in my area who happens to have been working very hard for their constituents where their focus is on local issues. Next time, we'll see. I suspect the tide will have turned big time on this by then. But it certainly won't be right wingers. I'm tired of being smeared by the perennially tribal and disingenuous who claim that any woman who doesn't agree is "far right" or motivated by beliefs she simply doesn't have. It's propaganda.

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Yes clearly, that's why he's given the most senior shadow cabinet positions to women. And why Rayner/ Reeves/ Cooper/ Thornberry/ Phillipson are always out there stating Labour's position on various things.

That's why he made dealing with rape and getting rape victims heard one of his key priorities as DPP.

What a misogynist. 🙄

On the other hand, no problem with the Tories despite Sunak shouting aggressively at women daring to ask him questions at QT the other day and presiding over a cabinet of men, or the evidence from the covid enquiry.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/calm-takedown-of-johnsons-covid-downing-street-argues-sexist-culture-may-have-cost-lives-12998287

Breathtaking double standards, as always.

Of course he has. That’s why half his cabinet are women. 🙄

I think many politicians/voters underestimate just how bloody angry women are. And how well-informed we are.

Whatever the election outcome, women will not back down: “Nothing about us without us!”

Yep. Although Keir has been trying hard to block out women for over a year

But they shouldn’t have to be forced to explain themselves or justify their request for same sex care

I agree with this. This can be dealt with by changing the rules around same sex care so its mandatory. My fear would be however that there aren't enough carers to enforce it (a bit like single sex wards in hospitals, where there were 44,000 breaches in a year due to resources)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mixed-sex-wards-breach-nhs-streeting-b2534608.html

There was no need to bring "self ID" and TW into the debate. By doing that, you make it seem as though intimate care from a TW is somehow worse than intimate care from a male carer. Let's fix the issue of same sex care being a legal requirement first (which is a real problem, happening today) before diving straight into scenarios about "Sarah the transwoman providing single sex care under self ID" which is hypothetical at this point.

One assumes Keir is unable to hear the high pitched squeaking of women expressing their opinions, and needs old Tone to translate it into manspeak for him.

Starmer's recent 'Tony Blair said it so well, but I won't speak to that awful Rosie Duffield when she said the exact same thing' was jawdropping.

It really, really was

My issue with JKR wading in is the timing. It seems calculated to harm Labour, if she wanted to put pressure on to change direction there are other ways to do it.

She has been talking about this for a few years now while others have been trying to engage with the Labour party for even longer.

Labour ignored them and their concerns, so the timing is the fault of the party and is a direct result of them ignoring women. Women are sick of being told 'after the revolution love'

Me too. My issue with JKR wading in is the timing. It seems calculated to harm Labour, if she wanted to put pressure on to change direction there are other ways to do it.

I don't agree on this point. I think she raised it at exactly the right time. To say nothing now would embolden them as they take power. I think she's highlighted the significant issues and prevented it from between swept under the carpet.

then GC feminists can keep the pressure on via the GRA consultation once Labour are in power

This, yes. 100 %

Yes, it's been so jarring.

Starmer's recent 'Tony Blair said it so well, but I won't speak to that awful Rosie Duffield when she said the exact same thing' was jawdropping.

Unfortunately the only conclusion I've been able to draw is that Labour have a deeply entrenched problem with misogyny.

In fairness, not even JKR is cutting through fully.

It wasn't until his mate Tony got involved that Starmer conceded that women's biology has relevance.

Me too. My issue with JKR wading in is the timing. It seems calculated to harm Labour, if she wanted to put pressure on to change direction there are other ways to do it.

I believe any government involving the Tories or Reform will be far more damaging than Labour.

A left wing coalition is also likely to be bad news because the libs and greens are pro self ID.

My opinion is a Labour majority with the current policy is the best option t9 benefit women and then GC feminists can keep the pressure on via the GRA consultation once Labour are in power.

Sorry / pressed send to soon. I agree with your points BUT for some women there are bigger problems. The two sides are not exclusive but for some women feeding their kids is more important. Surely you understand that?

@Pieceofpurplesky
Why aren't you listening to the women using domestic abuse shelters, rape crisis support, women in prison, women in psychiatric wards, disabled women who want single sex carers for intimate care?

Why are women being told we'll have to accept losing our rights to get the other problems fiixed?

JKR is one of the few women that can get use what politicians care about to get the point across - money

I’m pleased that she uses her success for this. Tg we have her highlighting it

Not that Labour are good at listening to any women but a £1m donation is no small change

Which is great, she can. It still doesn't help the thousands of women like me who are struggling to survive under a Tory government .

I’ve said this before, but I’ll repeat myself. I’ll even write it in bold, so that it stands out for you. I am not equating trans women carers (or trans women in any other profession, come to that) with predators or abusers or criminals of any type, shape or form. Nobody is suggesting that trans women go into the care industry in order to seek out vulnerable people to abuse. I quite agree with you that it would be scaremongering. That’s why I’m not suggesting it, or even thinking it.

I’ve done care work. I know first hand how bloody hard work it is and how shit the pay and conditions are. I also know that a lot of people who depend on carers are already handing over so much of their dignity already. The point that I’m making is that some of them don’t want men involved in their intimate care. Not because they fear being abused but because they are a different sex. And that might be a problem for them for a million different reasons, or they may not have a reason at all. But they shouldn’t have to be forced to explain themselves or justify their request for same sex care.

If they would accept care from a man, but not a trans woman, then that is their prejudice.

I don't use the word bigot, it is inflammatory and to me has become a codeword from the right to try to identify and discredit people on the left.

JKR has set up several charities and one of them is to support families less well off than her, so where do you get off spreading such garbage?

Why aren't you listening to the women using domestic abuse shelters, rape crisis support, women in prison, women in psychiatric wards, disabled women who want single sex carers for intimate care?

Why are political parties saying 'we'll deal with this issue but you have to accept this policy in return?'

I am in this position - I think JKR has forgotten she was once a single mum relying on the welfare state, and is coming from a place of privilege.

For so many women there are much bigger things that we need to survive day to day. Feeding the kids. New school shoes. The bills.

Labour are better for us, we have had 14 years of being mistreated. Any woman voting for the Tory party are not voting for all women. None of the parties can tell you what a woman is, but some treat them much worse.

What I don't get is why can't Labour tackle issues with public services poverty etc and uphold women's rights, single sex spaces, etc, they aren't mutually exclusive.

While I am hugely grateful for JKR speaking up, why wouldn't Labour listen to ordinary women. An 18 year old male socially transitions and gets involved with Labour student politics, and Labour MPs were hanging off every word. Female Labour supporters and decades long activists were ignored and in some cases stripped of roles in the party. Why did we need someone with JKRs clout just to be heard?

I’m a Labour voter, and will be voting for them this time too. I also agree with JKR, and I do not believe transwomen are women.

It’s been a theme throughout these threads, so it’s hardly a tangent.

Thank you for confirming that wanting single sex care isn’t bigotry.

And are women who do not want intimate care by a transwoman bigots?

edited for bad typing.