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Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

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PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:15

@pleasehelpwi3 said it best.

Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?
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Scammersarescum · 22/06/2024 21:19

CassieMaddox · 22/06/2024 20:43

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Do you say the same about the Tories, clown? Because they equally believe some males are "legally women".

I really hope all these posters are going to have the courage of their convictions and abstain if they are single issue voters. They could vote reform I guess but its stuffed to the gills with misogynists and Farage is a fan of Andrew Tate, so not exactly woman friendly

Who are you to tell women not to vote on a single issue if that single issue is vitally important to them?

Silencing women's voices by telling them not to vote. Now that really is disgraceful behaviour.

People should vote how they want, for whatever reason they want to even if it's something someone else considers completely trivial.

It's called democracy and it's not for people like you to try and snatch away

ZiriForGood · 22/06/2024 21:19

CassieMaddox · 22/06/2024 21:06

I meant to say in the last thread, if Labour are elected we will have the first ever female chancellor. We will have a working class female deputy leader. Labour have the highest number of female candidates standing of any of the parties.

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/candidate-selections-reflect-the-barriers-for-women-in-politics/

This is not a party that "hates women".

Which makes it even worse. So many women choosing to pretend they don't know what a woman is, because otherwise they won't be the candidates of a party which supposedly should be better representation of women...

By doing that they are actively choosing to alienate women voters.

If the trans issue is literally 0.1%, why can't they just listen to the concerns of their potential voters , drop the trans ideology support for now and promise to not make it worse?

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 21:17

CassieMaddox · 22/06/2024 21:07

She's not doing either of those things.

Equally I'd say shouting down women amd insulting them isn't the way to win them to support your issue. In fact it's increasingly putting women off listening.

I am listening and I have not insulted anyone. I am just saying that through my job I see literally hundreds of women and girls and the concerns they discuss day to day are never about trans women. They are about difficulties getting gp appointments, or worrying about running out of money for food, or feeling unsupported with babies and toddlers. Trans women literally just don't come up in the list of top concerns of real women and girls I speak to.

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MrsClownland · 22/06/2024 21:15

CassieMaddox · 22/06/2024 20:43

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Do you say the same about the Tories, clown? Because they equally believe some males are "legally women".

I really hope all these posters are going to have the courage of their convictions and abstain if they are single issue voters. They could vote reform I guess but its stuffed to the gills with misogynists and Farage is a fan of Andrew Tate, so not exactly woman friendly

I won't vote for anyone who has that viewpoint; no. Which makes it a very difficult election.

Lovelyview · 22/06/2024 21:11

What are you prepared to accept op? Men in women's prisons, rape crisis centres, changing rooms? Boys and men in girls and women's sports? Women sacked for stating people can't change sex? It has all already happened in the UK. Lesbians are being told they are transphobic for stating they aren't interested in trans identified men. Gay children are being told they are in the wrong body which can be corrected with surgery. It's a dystopia which is already here and Labour are showing very little concern about it and will probably take actions which will make it worse. It doesn't just affect 0.1 per cent of the population. It affects us all.

PurpleSparkledPixie · 22/06/2024 21:09

Today 20:17
Ereshkigalang cleg · Today 20:06
You have no way of knowing whether your brother is a predator or a pervert actually.”

Ha! That’s the one thing I do know. He was both and I was 8.
As was my dad.
Neither were transmen.

Apologies to mrskylerwhite for bringing their post over but I could not let this one go.

Men can never be transmen so I don't know why you said neither your brother or dad were transmen, that's like asserting they weren't cats - its a given. Transmen are biologically women.

AlisonDonut · 22/06/2024 21:08

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:52

I'm talking about the big important issues that affect most women in their real day to day lives. There are so many concerns, but trans women is not one of them.

It won't matter to you, until it matters to you.

So nice to be in a situation that it doesn't matter to you.

CassieMaddox · 22/06/2024 21:07

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 21:01

OP if you are trying to convince people to vote Labour, then what I would say is that ignoring people's concerns and telling them they just shouldn't have them is not really a very effective technique.

Winning people over involves listening, first of all. And attempting to meet people honestly and sincerely, and making the arguments.

She's not doing either of those things.

Equally I'd say shouting down women amd insulting them isn't the way to win them to support your issue. In fact it's increasingly putting women off listening.

CassieMaddox · 22/06/2024 21:06

I meant to say in the last thread, if Labour are elected we will have the first ever female chancellor. We will have a working class female deputy leader. Labour have the highest number of female candidates standing of any of the parties.

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/candidate-selections-reflect-the-barriers-for-women-in-politics/

This is not a party that "hates women".

Candidate selections reflect the barriers for women in politics

Last week, all UK political parties confirmed which candidates they were standing in each constituency for the 2024 general election. Including independents, a total of 4,515 candidates

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/candidate-selections-reflect-the-barriers-for-women-in-politics

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/06/2024 21:02

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:59

The shadow cabinet is 50% women. It's also looking 100% more capable than the Conservatives!

Based on what? Most of them have zero actual experience in government and have gone on record saying some really fucking stupid things.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/06/2024 21:01

BIossomtoes · 22/06/2024 20:59

I ask myself that frequently when I read posts from single issue voters.

Give me one good reason why I should vote for a party which holds the female half of the population in complete contempt.

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 21:01

OP if you are trying to convince people to vote Labour, then what I would say is that ignoring people's concerns and telling them they just shouldn't have them is not really a very effective technique.

Winning people over involves listening, first of all. And attempting to meet people honestly and sincerely, and making the arguments.

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:59

The shadow cabinet is 50% women. It's also looking 100% more capable than the Conservatives!

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BIossomtoes · 22/06/2024 20:59

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/06/2024 20:51

Or just willing to jump on any bandwagon, however stupid.

Where is their integrity?

I ask myself that frequently when I read posts from single issue voters.

CassieMaddox · 22/06/2024 20:57

Underthinker · 22/06/2024 20:47

The Tories say some males are legally women because sadly some males are legally women. It's not a situation they created, but one they are trying to mitigate whilst Labour are promising to make it worse.

When Starmer says that he's called a liar.
When the Tories say it, its a fact 🤔

They've had 14 years to fix it, if they wanted to. They could have put repealing the GRA in their manifesto. They didn't.

I would love to hear Sunak held to the same standard as Starmer on this. Ain't gonna happen because a lot of the noise is about being "anti left" rather than pro women.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/06/2024 20:55

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:52

I'm talking about the big important issues that affect most women in their real day to day lives. There are so many concerns, but trans women is not one of them.

Did you read your previous thread? The one where numerous women highlighted their concerns about men? (Again for the people in the cheap seats at the back - men. However they identify).

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/06/2024 20:55

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:52

I'm talking about the big important issues that affect most women in their real day to day lives. There are so many concerns, but trans women is not one of them.

And someone who goes around saying that some women have a penis is the best person to grapple with those issues, is he?

MuchasSmoochas · 22/06/2024 20:55

Like JKR I’m a single issue voter. I worked in Higher Education where 1 in 5 women aged 18-25 are survivors of sexual assault. Where female Muslim students dropped out because of TW in the toilets. Where I left a career I loved because a female student was disciplined because she complained she felt unsafe in toilets with TW. These were not privileged women. Sexual assault is a leveller and happens regardless of socio economic status. I’m 51 and this is the most important social issue I’ve ever experienced.
I’ve got my postal vote sealed with an X for Labour but unless Starmer issues a statement re Rosie Duffield I am ripping it up.
Thank you JKR 💪

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 20:54

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:52

I'm talking about the big important issues that affect most women in their real day to day lives. There are so many concerns, but trans women is not one of them.

Can you list which concerns women are allowed to have and which are not acceptable?

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:52

I'm talking about the big important issues that affect most women in their real day to day lives. There are so many concerns, but trans women is not one of them.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/06/2024 20:51

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 20:50

YY @MissScarletInTheBallroom it says people are weak, credulous or both. Not a winning approach.

Or just willing to jump on any bandwagon, however stupid.

Where is their integrity?

DuesToTheDirt · 22/06/2024 20:51

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:42

@DuesToTheDirt I would rather Labour than Conservatives on climate change, that's for sure!

To be honest I don't think any of the parties can make much difference. It would require a radical overhaul of the way we live our lives, which would be deeply unpopular, and would still only have a small impact on world emissions. I guess that's why it's not top of any party's agenda.

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 20:50

Women are free to talk about politics, and free to vote for whomever we please.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 20:50

YY @MissScarletInTheBallroom it says people are weak, credulous or both. Not a winning approach.

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 20:49

Teamsaction · 22/06/2024 20:45

For me its the start of everything. If they give away women's rights, how can my daughter do well at school, play sports. By protesting this rights that I feel very very strongly about will I be investigated by the police, dismissed from job etc etc

If they willing to tell me that 1% of women have a penis, they are either mad, liars, or stupid.