Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

Nobody wants to make being trans illegal. Some spaces, services and sports were developed specifically to be single-sex in order to protect women’s safety, privacy and dignity. Those things are all still needed. Transwomen should be able to safely use men’s facilities (why are men never told to be kind?) or campaign for third spaces. These things were designed as single-sex for a reason. People cannot change sex

A few posters like to do this, insisting ‘MN isn’t representative, ALL women don’t care, no one cares or is speaking about this stuff in real life’.

Yet here they are, starting threads on Mumsnet, engaging (ha) in discussion on all threads that mention women’s rights.

Why? Desperation to turn it as a trans issue.

No but it did. People used to think it carried a risk! You are being so naive and ignorant of the past. We know now that gay men aren’t perverts and peados but they actually did think that. It was illegal, they used to be imprisoned!

We will be so embarrassed and ashamed of discussions like these one day.

Although I see your point, and believe what happened to that poster was obviously dreadful, she did volunteer that information in order to make a point about what I said, that you’d never know if your brother was a pervert. This was said in response to another poster who said she knew her brother and father were not a threat to women. My point was you can’t know that, and it has nothing to do with their trans-ness or lack of. This poster’s comment although very awful does not make the point she’s trying to. Men are the problem. Not trans women.

Men do not need to pretend to be trans to attack us. They are the most privileged in our society. The can come and go as they please. Men have attacked women in toilets, hospitals, shopping centres, their homes before and will do again. They don’t need to put on different clothes to get close to women. But telling us that trans women are the risk is a good way to distract us from those facts while they claim “not all men” (they never say “not all trans women” I notice)

No but it did. People used to think it carried a risk! You are being so naive and ignorant of the past. We know now that gay men aren’t perverts and peados but they actually did think that. It was illegal, they used to be imprisoned!

We will be so embarrassed and ashamed of discussions like these one day.

No but it did. People used to think it carried a risk! You are being so naive and ignorant of the past. We know now that gay men aren’t perverts and peados but they actually did think that. It was illegal, they used to be imprisoned!

We will be so embarrassed and ashamed of discussions like these one day.

You know they’ve spent over a decade making life harder for women though don’t you

Although I see your point, and believe what happened to that poster was obviously dreadful, she did volunteer that information in order to make a point about what I said, that you’d never know if your brother was a pervert. This was said in response to another poster who said she knew her brother and father were not a threat to women. My point was you can’t know that, and it has nothing to do with their trans-ness or lack of. This poster’s comment although very awful does not make the point she’s trying to. Men are the problem. Not trans women.

Men do not need to pretend to be trans to attack us. They are the most privileged in our society. The can come and go as they please. Men have attacked women in toilets, hospitals, shopping centres, their homes before and will do again. They don’t need to put on different clothes to get close to women. But telling us that trans women are the risk is a good way to distract us from those facts while they claim “not all men” (they never say “not all trans women” I notice)

No but it did. People used to think it carried a risk! You are being so naive and ignorant of the past. We know now that gay men aren’t perverts and peados but they actually did think that. It was illegal, they used to be imprisoned!

We will be so embarrassed and ashamed of discussions like these one day.

Seriously, how many points can over your head? It's the same as saying I know plenty of lovely men (and I do) but I realise that men as a sex class are more of a risk to women. Being gay doesn't carry the same risk. You are now just posting in bad faith.

You know they’ve spent over a decade making life harder for women though don’t you

You know they’ve spent over a decade making life harder for women though don’t you

You know I'm not referring to the Tories.

I'll ask you again as we ran out of space on the last one: were you OK with people being single issue voters on stopping Brexit in the last election?

Although I see your point, and believe what happened to that poster was obviously dreadful, she did volunteer that information in order to make a point about what I said, that you’d never know if your brother was a pervert. This was said in response to another poster who said she knew her brother and father were not a threat to women. My point was you can’t know that, and it has nothing to do with their trans-ness or lack of. This poster’s comment although very awful does not make the point she’s trying to. Men are the problem. Not trans women.

Men do not need to pretend to be trans to attack us. They are the most privileged in our society. The can come and go as they please. Men have attacked women in toilets, hospitals, shopping centres, their homes before and will do again. They don’t need to put on different clothes to get close to women. But telling us that trans women are the risk is a good way to distract us from those facts while they claim “not all men” (they never say “not all trans women” I notice)

Although I see your point, and believe what happened to that poster was obviously dreadful, she did volunteer that information in order to make a point about what I said, that you’d never know if your brother was a pervert. This was said in response to another poster who said she knew her brother and father were not a threat to women. My point was you can’t know that, and it has nothing to do with their trans-ness or lack of. This poster’s comment although very awful does not make the point she’s trying to. Men are the problem. Not trans women.

Men do not need to pretend to be trans to attack us. They are the most privileged in our society. The can come and go as they please. Men have attacked women in toilets, hospitals, shopping centres, their homes before and will do again. They don’t need to put on different clothes to get close to women. But telling us that trans women are the risk is a good way to distract us from those facts while they claim “not all men” (they never say “not all trans women” I notice)

Although I see your point, and believe what happened to that poster was obviously dreadful, she did volunteer that information in order to make a point about what I said, that you’d never know if your brother was a pervert. This was said in response to another poster who said she knew her brother and father were not a threat to women. My point was you can’t know that, and it has nothing to do with their trans-ness or lack of. This poster’s comment although very awful does not make the point she’s trying to. Men are the problem. Not trans women.

Men do not need to pretend to be trans to attack us. They are the most privileged in our society. The can come and go as they please. Men have attacked women in toilets, hospitals, shopping centres, their homes before and will do again. They don’t need to put on different clothes to get close to women. But telling us that trans women are the risk is a good way to distract us from those facts while they claim “not all men” (they never say “not all trans women” I notice)

When Starmer says that he's called a liar.
When the Tories say it, its a fact 🤔

They've had 14 years to fix it, if they wanted to. They could have put repealing the GRA in their manifesto. They didn't.

I would love to hear Sunak held to the same standard as Starmer on this. Ain't gonna happen because a lot of the noise is about being "anti left" rather than pro women.

So ... if you think women on here are not real, somehow, why on earth are you trying to persuade us to vote for a particular party?!