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PupInAPram · 2024-06-22T19:15:25+00:00

{mention:pleasehelpwi3} said it best.

DialSquare · 22/06/2024 22:45

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 22:43

Referring to trans women as men is awful

That's too bad, but I'm not going to lie.

Ooohh Eresh you are awful. But I like you!

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:44

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:44

Well, no. I'm not a social construct.

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Me neither 🫡

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 22:44

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:43

That’s not biology

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It's biological fact that transwomen are men!

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:44

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:42

Woman is a social construct.
Female is biological.

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Well, no. I'm not a social construct.

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:44

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:42

Woman is a social construct.
Female is biological.

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That's nonsense

Springwatch123 · 22/06/2024 22:43

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:32

I’ve said plenty actually, but really it comes down to the fact that trans women are still people and this thread and the previous one is full of horrible bullying attitudes and sweeping statements and judgements. How long can one argue against fear and ignorance?

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No one has said that they aren’t people.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 22:43

Referring to trans women as men is awful

That's too bad, but I'm not going to lie.

siameselife · 22/06/2024 22:43

As we now know gay men aren’t all predators and one day we will know trans women aren’t either.

No one is arguing all trans women are predators. We are stating that as they are male they need to be treated as such when setting out single spaces that are sex differentiated particularly those with a safe guarding aspect.

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:43

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 22:42

Transwomen are men. 🤷‍♀️ Biology is sooooo transphobic!

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That’s not biology

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:42

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:34

Absolutely no one is saying that TW aren't people

They arent women however. I know that, they know that, you know that. It's basic biological fact. I wonder why you're denying this? Why lie?

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Woman is a social construct.
Female is biological.

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 22:42

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:40

Referring to trans women as men is awful

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Transwomen are men. 🤷‍♀️ Biology is sooooo transphobic!

illinivich · 22/06/2024 22:42

it has everything to do with gay men when we are literally replicating the propaganda of 1980s about a new set of vulnerability people

People can be both vulnerable and a threat to others.

A man who is proposing to transition has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

A man with a GRC may only have a diagnosis and two years worth of id in their new name.

Either is the same risk to women as any other man. Nothing in the process can filter out dangerous men, its not designed for that.

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:41

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:40

Referring to trans women as men is awful

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It's fact. If you have an issue with that you need to take it up with Mother Nature instead of shooting us messangers.

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:41

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:40

Trans women are women

Nope.

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:41

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:40

Referring to trans women as men is awful

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Well, how would you describe a transwoman?

It's not awful, it's an undeniable fact.

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:40

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:40

Trans women are women

That's a lie. Why do you keep repeating it?

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:40

Trans women are women

Whothefuckdoesthat · 22/06/2024 22:40

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 21:53

That’s not entirely true. Many women’s sports were set up because men wouldn’t allow women to play. It’s not to protect women, it’s to protect men’s egos.

Why are men never told to be kind? Great question. Why are women told to carry keys, cover their drinks, don’t walk alone. Because we refuse to deal with the real issue which is men’s attitudes to women. We are busy in-fighting instead. It’s easier to gloss over the societal problem of MEN and get angry at a minority group.

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A minority group who are men attempting to force their way into women’s spaces, assisted by short sighted members of the ‘be kind’ brigade.

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:40

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 22:39

And hopefully we will all be sorry for being so incredibly awful to trans women one day.

Not wanting any men at all in my spaces isn't "incredibly awful" to men as a sex, is it?

Referring to trans women as men is awful

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:39

And hopefully we will all be sorry for being so incredibly awful to trans women one day.

Why would we be sorry for treating men like other men? That makes zero sense.

The trans issue is the exact opposite of the gay rights issue.

The gay rights issue is about accepting people for who they are.

The trans issue is about being compelled to affirm people in what they are not.

Gay rights acknowledges the reality and legitimacy of same sex attraction. TRA ideology attempts to dismantle this by replacing sex with gender.

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:39

Runor · 22/06/2024 22:24

OK, to add on the bit I assumed was well known…. But puberty blockers cause a great deal of harm when their use is continued through puberty, because then puberty never properly happens. This means that full adult bone density is never achieved, full sexual development is never achieved, and parts of the brain never fully develop. This is not what I would want for any child.

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Alternatively they can be traumatised from puberty and die by suicide. Would you prefer that.

No one is forcing this on children. No one. It’s incredibly hard to get access to gender affirming care.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 22:39

And hopefully we will all be sorry for being so incredibly awful to trans women one day.

Not wanting any men at all in my spaces isn't "incredibly awful" to men as a sex, is it?

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:35

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 22:21

Trans women are not predators any more than gay men are.

And again, gay men aren't expecting to use women's spaces.

Oh god pay attention the gay men reference is to do with the way we USED TO think. Not now. Gay men were put in prison!! They weren’t allowed in any spaces let alone women’s.
And hopefully we will all be sorry for being so incredibly awful to trans women one day. As we now know gay men aren’t all predators and one day we will know trans women aren’t either.

FOJN · 22/06/2024 22:35

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:15

Puberty blockers have been used safely for years on children reaching puberty at an early age to delay it. No one seemed to mind when the “normal” kids needed them.

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The use of puberty blockers in children with precocious puberty is carefully balanced against the risks. We have always known it's affects bone density. It is used for a relatively short period of time, rarely more than two years. It is stopped when a child reaches an appropriate age for normal puberty.

For gender questioning children it is started at the age of normal puberty and may continue to be taken for 5 years or more. We have no idea if there is a window in which normal puberty can occur. There are a small number of cases where young adults have stopped puberty blockers at 18 and puberty has still not started 2 years later. The numbers are small because the vast majority of children (99% according to Tavistock data) who take puberty blockers go on to take cross sex hormones. Those children will be sterile and unable to have children of their own.

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:34

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:32

I’ve said plenty actually, but really it comes down to the fact that trans women are still people and this thread and the previous one is full of horrible bullying attitudes and sweeping statements and judgements. How long can one argue against fear and ignorance?

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What sweeping statements? What attitudes?