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Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

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PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:15

@pleasehelpwi3 said it best.

Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?
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Raquelos · 22/06/2024 22:51

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:42

Woman is a social construct.
Female is biological.

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Gender is a social construct. Sex is biological.

A vocal minority have tried to redefine the word woman so that only gender defines it rather than sex. The vast majority of people don't accept such an arbitrary change being imposed on their everyday language or on how they define womanhood.

Attempting to police people's language is part of the power this type of activism has wielded to silence dissent and that is a large reason why so many choose not to play that game anymore.

But you know that already.

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 22:50

Nobody is saying to ban transwomen from everything. Anyone claiming that has shocking comprehension and / or is posting in bad faith.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 22:50

Many people are talking about this in a way that seems to disregard their rights, feelings and existence.

Their rights: they have the same human rights as any other male.

Their feelings: are their own,as are my own mine. I don't set myself on fire to keep others warm. They aren't the centre of the universe, other people matter too.

Their existence: they exist as members of the male sex, I'm not sure why that isn't enough.

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:50

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:47

That’s science

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Nooope

RufustheFactualReindeer · 22/06/2024 22:50

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:44

Well, no. I'm not a social construct.

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Sez you 😒

Springwatch123 · 22/06/2024 22:50

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:40

Referring to trans women as men is awful

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Why, when they are a man.

Fred changing his name to Freda does not make him a woman (with apologies to the Blue Peter tortoise).

Lovelyview · 22/06/2024 22:50

Lovelyview · 22/06/2024 22:33

Trans identified men are men who identify as transgender. You are calling them trans women.

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Gay people are same sex attracted. They have been subject to hatred and discrimination. There are laws in place to prevent this. 'Trans' covers a number of groups of people whose 'identity' has little in common with other groups. One is men who are sexually excited by dressing up as a woman. This is known as Autogynophilia. The men you see dressed in short skirts with fake breasts and lots of makeup have AGP, they're getting off on their trans identity. Another group are gay people with internalised homophobia. They would rather change into the opposite sex than admit they are same sex attracted. These are not people with an innate sexuality they are people whose sense of self has been destroyed by being told they can 'fix' themselves by changing sex. Keep your eyes on the news over the next few years. There will be more and more detransitioners suing medical providers who conducted operations stripping them of viable sexual functioning, rendering them infertile and creating lifelong ill health through cross sex hormones. And they still won't have changed sex.

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:50

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:44

Well, no. I'm not a social construct.

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Haha of course you are. Your clothes were chosen for you at birth depending on your genitals, for instance. The entire concept of femininity is socially constructed.

siameselife · 22/06/2024 22:49

Mother Nature creates intersex humans

All humans are male or female, having a DSD doesn't mean you are a 3rd sex. People with DSDs also have nothing to do with people with trans identities.

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:49

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:47

That’s science

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It's bollocks, is what it is.

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CassieMaddox · 22/06/2024 22:49

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 21:57

I’d like to see the issue dealt with a little nuance not just “ban trans women from everything”.

I’d like the men in power to address men’s attitudes and behaviour towards women. Including their own.

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Well said 👏

SnakesAndArrows · 22/06/2024 22:49

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:39

Alternatively they can be traumatised from puberty and die by suicide. Would you prefer that.

No one is forcing this on children. No one. It’s incredibly hard to get access to gender affirming care.

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Cass made it all up then, did she?

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:48

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:47

Many people are talking about this in a way that seems to disregard their rights, feelings and existence.

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We all know trans people exist and have rights, as is proper.

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:47

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:44

That's nonsense

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That’s science

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:47

Springwatch123 · 22/06/2024 22:43

No one has said that they aren’t people.

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Many people are talking about this in a way that seems to disregard their rights, feelings and existence.

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 22:46

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:45

Mother Nature creates intersex humans and animals. Nature is not binary.

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House!!!!!!!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 22:46

@DialSquare and @NoWordForFluffy Wine

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:46

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:45

Mother Nature creates intersex humans and animals. Nature is not binary.

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Oh my word.

Humans are sexually dimorphic. Please dont drag people with DSDs into it. They are not a third sex.

SnakesAndArrows · 22/06/2024 22:46

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:32

I’ve said plenty actually, but really it comes down to the fact that trans women are still people and this thread and the previous one is full of horrible bullying attitudes and sweeping statements and judgements. How long can one argue against fear and ignorance?

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That’s quite the allegation.

I’ve asked before, but I think you didn’t answer. Do disabled women receiving personal care have the right to be cared for by a female-born woman? Are they horrible bullies if they do not want to be cared for (and by this I mean changing incontinence and/or sanitary wear) by a person with a penis? Do the rights of the transwoman carer trump the rights of the woman?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 22:46

Woman is a social construct.
Female is biological.

Where did this mysterious "woman" concept spring from?

CassieMaddox · 22/06/2024 22:45

Underthinker · 22/06/2024 21:38

Sunak interviewed by Piers Morgan answered the "What is a woman?" question with "Adult human female".

Yes they are slow to get a grip on it, but I'd prefer someone to belatedly do the right thing over someone who is eager to do the wrong thing as soon as they can.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/26/keir-starmer-woman-is-adult-female-labour-hardens-stance/

A woman is an adult female, Starmer says
Confused

Double standards. Believe Sunak (despite the fact he's head of a party full of liars). Don't believe Starmer.

It's pure lefty hating, not to do with womens rights at all.

A woman is an adult female, Sir Keir Starmer says

Labour says that it has hardened its stance on self-identification after having a ‘chance to reflect’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/26/keir-starmer-woman-is-adult-female-labour-hardens-stance

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 22:45

DialSquare · 22/06/2024 22:45

Ooohh Eresh you are awful. But I like you!

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Apt! 🤣

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FOJN · 22/06/2024 22:45

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:35

Oh god pay attention the gay men reference is to do with the way we USED TO think. Not now. Gay men were put in prison!! They weren’t allowed in any spaces let alone women’s.
And hopefully we will all be sorry for being so incredibly awful to trans women one day. As we now know gay men aren’t all predators and one day we will know trans women aren’t either.

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We're not putting people in prison for being trans and we're not suggesting all transwomen are sexual predators. You keep harping on about this as if we're all confused and yet no matter how clearly we state we do not want transwomen in women's spaces because they are men you don't seem to understand. There is no evidence at all that men who identify as women are less of a risk to women than other men.

I don't want tall men, gay men, fat men, friendly men, Christian men, trans identified men or any other type of man in women's spaces.

The trans people I have known are not confused about the reality of their biological sex.

Only men can be transwomen. I cannot be a transwoman because I am female.

Underthinker · 22/06/2024 22:45

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:40

Trans women are women

Only if you redefine the word woman to mean "anyone who says they're a woman", which is not a definition I'd use or accept.

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:45

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:41

It's fact. If you have an issue with that you need to take it up with Mother Nature instead of shooting us messangers.

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Mother Nature creates intersex humans and animals. Nature is not binary.