Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

I just think it’s so fucking sad that instead of working on stopping horrible people doing horrible things to women, we’re out here fighting about toilets. 99.9% of bad things done to women are done by men (and most of those by a man they know), and people think the solution is to just make sure we have places we can fucking HIDE?

I fear so. Did he iron his penis off or did it just fall off the moment he picked up the iron?

I wonder if a hand held steamer would be more masculine and prevent such tragedies.

You can sod right off with that nonsense!

Absolutely nobody is disregarding trans people’s rights, feelings or existence. They have the absolute right to present themselves however they please, the right to go about their day without being harassed or attacked or made to feel uncomfortable or anything else unpleasant happening to them. They have the exact same rights as any other group of people.

But they’re not having my rights to a single sex space. That is not up for grabs and you can come up with as many ill informed arguments as you like, and resort to insults when that doesn’t work. But all it boils down to is you telling women to sit down, shut up and move over. Not happening.

Is that the B side to Handbags and Gladrags?

@SergeantDawkins

Genuine question - if saying trans women are men is awful, what about instead saying "male"? It's the truth.

I'm really only interested in female only spaces and sports where sex matters. If someone wants to be a "woman" where that has no potential effect on the female sex class I really don't care what they do.

It's a female rights thing, not about hating on those male people, but recognising that they will share characteristics with other male people (strength, male puberty advantages, plus a propensity to commit crime at the rate applicable to males).

I don't view all trans women as rapists in waiting in the same way that I don't think my brother is a rapist in waiting, but I still wouldn't support my brother being in a female prison if he were convicted of a crime or a female hospital ward even if he would find it far more pleasant because the dignity and safety of the women matters without exception for the "nice ones".

I iron and go to football matches. Does that make me non binary?

I’m definitely literal about chromosomes and gonads.

And to her mum too, no doubt!

I also have to break it to my kids that their bearded dad is now their mum. It might put a dampener on DD's birthday tomorrow! 😬

Yes. Not rocket science.

Sorry I mean Counsellor Clare. She is in a Chester Ward I mean.

Starmer could fix all this (or go a long way toward it) by making a clear unambiguous statement that he does not support self ID and that he does support single sex spaces and a show of support for Rosie Duffield would help to.

Lucky my mums not around….not sure how she’d take being a lesbian 🤔

probably in her stride to be fair 😀

Some people are so bloody literal. No wonder we can’t use any nuance to deal with this.

This is Counsellor Ward's video.
https://x.com/MandyClareTERF/status/1804570461822767154

Oh god it’s a stereotypical example.
some people are so literal 🤦🏻‍♀️

That's all there is!

No we're not. We're saying they're male. Which they are. In every cell of their bodies. And, as I keep saying, the EVIDENCE is there that they have exactly the same criminal patterns as other men. Not women. That's extremely important when it comes to the reasons why we had to have single sex spaces in some circumstances.

I'm not sure why you keep trying to equate recognising this with the homophobia of old. (Well, I do. It's a forced teaming strategy as per Denton's document) Were you around at that time? I was. You are aware, yes, that there is no evidence that gay men were any more likely to be sex offenders than straight men? Especially against women. But that there IS quite a bit of evidence that (majority heterosexual) of men who identify as "trans women" ARE as much of a threat to women as men who don't identify as women. And claiming saying so is "bigotry" is slur, being used to good effect by extremely manipulative people, in order to shut down anyone pointing out the unpalatable truth.

Strange how you don't seem to care about disregarding women's rights, feelings and existence. Not to mention our safety and the entire history of us gaining our rights. It isn't a human right to identify as something you're not and then force everyone who is actually in the group you claim you are to agree that you're the same as them and they can't have anything to themselves. Particularly when the whole reason we had to have single sex spaces was because of the violent or sexually abusive behaviour of some men. From the evidence, the "trans women" who are most insistent that they should be given access to the spaces where we are vulnerable don't diverge from that. Their crime patterns do not match women's but men's. You really need to get that into your head.

What?

Is all this posting just coming from regressive stereotypes

I have to assume this is an MRA taking the piss and go to bed, at this point.

You couldn’t make this up. I iron therefore I am a woman.

😀

At least it's not circular for a change! 🤣

I expect that'll be quite the shock to him 😱

Absolutely not. Women are adult female humans. That is all.

We must let JK Rowling know that she had it wrong all this time!