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Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

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PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:15

@pleasehelpwi3 said it best.

Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 23:27

Brilliant post @Zwicky

Lovelyview · 22/06/2024 23:26

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 23:24

Women have. They haven’t. The men haven’t. The men are the problem.

Men made laws telling men it was illegal to rape women. It didn't stop men raping women.

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 23:26

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 23:24

Women have. They haven’t. The men haven’t. The men are the problem.

Knew you'd get there in the end!

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 23:26

DialSquare · 22/06/2024 23:23

MEN, STOP HURTING WOMEN!!!!!

There, I've told them. We should all be safe now.

God knows why nobody thought of this before!

Zwicky · 22/06/2024 23:25

Never understood the “it only affects 0.1%” (or whatever % someone has pulled out of there arse) when women are 51% of the population. It actually affects 100% of the population as it will eliminate same sex spaces for men and whilst there isn’t the same danger of sexual violence from women towards men etc. men and boys still value male only space. Men famously and effectively removed women from the mens pond at Hampstead, whereas the old women’s pond is now mixed (affecting 100% of the women who use it, or used to use it).

Trans women are not predators any more than gay men are.

Even If that were true, gay men aren’t allowed access to women’s only spaces any more than other men so what’s the point? Gay men don’t enter women’s sporting completions on the basis of their sexuality. Gay men would have to claim to be women in order to do that, just like the straight and bisexual blokes have to. Gay men are a particular group within the category of “men” - they aren’t women.

Labour are “supposed” to look after the most vulnerable. It’s an expectation that people have of them that they don’t have of conservative governments. The people most negatively affected by the erosion of women’s rights are women who lack power in other areas - poor women, uneducated women, incarcerated women, homeless womes, immigrant women, disabled women, elderly women. Posh blokes handwringing about “dignity” and “inclusivity” for men whilst being perfectly happy for a female 19yo drug addicted, homeless, care leaver to share a cell with a convicted male rapist can do one. We all know who they intend to have “dignity” and it isn’t anyone female. Why else would they keep screeching “but why don’t you care about a totally different issue, you toxic harpies”? This myth that women’s prisons becoming mixed sex is only an issue for middle aged, middle class white women is, frankly, ridiculous. Poor, under-educated and minority ethnic women are hugely over represented in prison. But if you give a shit about it then it’s all “omg why don’t you even care about poverty and education and racism???” I’m going to be moaned at by people saying prisons are a niche issue and I should care about something else (but not healthcare, social care, sports, public spaces, crisis facilities, support groups, women only shortlists and prizes, gyms, leisure facilities, changing facilities, schools of toilets)
The current mess has been created by the conservative government - but they at least now, in 2024, are answering the question they have been asked “sex is biological” and “adult human female”. Kier can’t answer the question, which says more about him than answering it could ever do. He came across as a massive misogynist wanker on the leaders question time. No wonder women who could have held their noses and voted labour before it are considering simply vomiting on their ballot papers now.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 23:25

No argument there @SergeantDawkins

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 23:25

DialSquare · 22/06/2024 23:23

MEN, STOP HURTING WOMEN!!!!!

There, I've told them. We should all be safe now.

Yay! Thank you DialSquare!

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 23:24

Lovelyview · 22/06/2024 23:22

We've been telling men to stop hurting women for a very long time. I'll do you a deal. When you stop men raping women I'll stop going on about female only spaces.

Women have. They haven’t. The men haven’t. The men are the problem.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 22/06/2024 23:23

Lovelyview · 22/06/2024 23:22

We've been telling men to stop hurting women for a very long time. I'll do you a deal. When you stop men raping women I'll stop going on about female only spaces.

Yes

fucking centuries, not worked so far

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 23:23

SnakesAndArrows · 22/06/2024 23:13

Oh come off it. And who the fuck mentioned elderly care? I’m talking about young profoundly disabled women like Hen Freeman (google her) who do not want to be cared for by people with penises, and who is vilified as a bigot by halfwits.

Educate yourself.

No, I’m not an expert on any disabled care and I don’t want to be.i have no opinion on this and I don’t want to be goaded into it.

DialSquare · 22/06/2024 23:23

MEN, STOP HURTING WOMEN!!!!!

There, I've told them. We should all be safe now.

Lovelyview · 22/06/2024 23:22

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 23:20

Yes we’d rather tell women to stay away from men than tell men to stop hurting women

We've been telling men to stop hurting women for a very long time. I'll do you a deal. When you stop men raping women I'll stop going on about female only spaces.

Lovelyview · 22/06/2024 23:20

Horseebooks · 22/06/2024 23:07

I just think it’s so fucking sad that instead of working on stopping horrible people doing horrible things to women, we’re out here fighting about toilets. 99.9% of bad things done to women are done by men (and most of those by a man they know), and people think the solution is to just make sure we have places we can fucking HIDE?

Do you feel the same way about trans identified males being placed in women's prisons? Or nurses having to get changed with a man who identifies as a woman?
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/24353976.durham-darlington-hospitals-sued-nurses-trans-woman/ Because when you erase same sex protections, this is where you end up.

Durham nurses launch legal battle against hospital as trans woman used changing rooms

The hospital trust that runs healthcare across County Durham and Darlington is being sued by 26 of their nurses, after a trans woman was allowed to…

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/24353976.durham-darlington-hospitals-sued-nurses-trans-woman

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 23:20

Horseebooks · 22/06/2024 23:07

I just think it’s so fucking sad that instead of working on stopping horrible people doing horrible things to women, we’re out here fighting about toilets. 99.9% of bad things done to women are done by men (and most of those by a man they know), and people think the solution is to just make sure we have places we can fucking HIDE?

Yes we’d rather tell women to stay away from men than tell men to stop hurting women

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 22/06/2024 23:16

Horseebooks · 22/06/2024 23:07

I just think it’s so fucking sad that instead of working on stopping horrible people doing horrible things to women, we’re out here fighting about toilets. 99.9% of bad things done to women are done by men (and most of those by a man they know), and people think the solution is to just make sure we have places we can fucking HIDE?

Bad things are done to women by men who have access to them, hence why it's by men they know.
What do you think happens when you give access to women to a whole lot more men?

ZiriForGood · 22/06/2024 23:15

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:59

Some people are so bloody literal. No wonder we can’t use any nuance to deal with this.

There is no need for nuance.

There are male people and female people. Sometimes it doesn't matter and all people are mixed together, sometimes there are reasons to separate them. The reasone can be primarily biological (different metabolism means drugs work differently) or based on topics as safety and dignity.

There are some activities or preferences which are habitually connected with one of those groups, even when there is no biological reason. There is no real reason why male person couldn't wear skirt or makeup (I know males who do both and have no trans inclinations whatsoever), there is no reason male people couldn't iron their shirt, there is no reason male person couldn't do any stereotypically but nonbiologically feminine thing and remain male (and men) while doing so.

No, compare it to your key word.
There is no situation in human society when we habitually divide people based on gender identity. Gender identity is a rather new concept and many people don't have one.

Why should we replace the sex based division which is objective and works reasonably well with some nuances based subjective nonsense?

Raquelos · 22/06/2024 23:14

Horseebooks · 22/06/2024 23:07

I just think it’s so fucking sad that instead of working on stopping horrible people doing horrible things to women, we’re out here fighting about toilets. 99.9% of bad things done to women are done by men (and most of those by a man they know), and people think the solution is to just make sure we have places we can fucking HIDE?

Interesting that is what you take from the thread.

Being concerned about male violence and maintaining women's right to boundaries aren't mutually exclusive thoughts you know. Most of us can manage to be concerned about both.

SnakesAndArrows · 22/06/2024 23:13

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:55

I haven’t answered because I have no expertise in the area of elderly care. And I think each issue should be dealt with with care, consideration and understanding not just banging on about it on mumsnet.

Oh come off it. And who the fuck mentioned elderly care? I’m talking about young profoundly disabled women like Hen Freeman (google her) who do not want to be cared for by people with penises, and who is vilified as a bigot by halfwits.

Educate yourself.

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 23:12

You're my wife now...

wife dave GIF
Lovelyview · 22/06/2024 23:11

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:45

Mother Nature creates intersex humans and animals. Nature is not binary.

People who are 'intersex' are people with differences in sex development. They are still male or female. For example someone with Kilnfelter syndrome is male but has an additional x chromosome so their chromosome is xxy. There is more info here. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/

nhs.uk

Differences in sex development

Find out about differences in sex development (DSDs), a group of rare conditions where the reproductive organs and genitals don't develop as expected. Some people prefer to use the term intersex.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development

MuchasSmoochas · 22/06/2024 23:11

I’m not fighting about toilets, I’m fighting about education, crime and punishment, social welfare and employment.

FOJN · 22/06/2024 23:10

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 23:08

I hadn't noticed he was missing any body parts (but it's not compulsory to be sans-penis to be a woman, is it?!). 🙈🤣

Handheld steamer sounds like there could be a melting risk. Ouchy!

Yes sorry, my bad of course your husband (presumably now your wife) can have a lady peen.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 23:09

I just think it’s so fucking sad that instead of working on stopping horrible people doing horrible things to women, we’re out here fighting about toilets. 99.9% of bad things done to women are done by men (and most of those by a man they know), and people think the solution is to just make sure we have places we can fucking HIDE?

What about our privacy and dignity? It's fucking sad that men don't respect us enough to stay out when they aren't wanted, isn't it?

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 23:08

FOJN · 22/06/2024 23:03

I fear so. Did he iron his penis off or did it just fall off the moment he picked up the iron?

I wonder if a hand held steamer would be more masculine and prevent such tragedies.

I hadn't noticed he was missing any body parts (but it's not compulsory to be sans-penis to be a woman, is it?!). 🙈🤣

Handheld steamer sounds like there could be a melting risk. Ouchy!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 23:08

Not sure a hand held steamer would be more or less masculine TBH, it's a gadget but it's someone very invested in crease free clothes.

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