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Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

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PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:15

@pleasehelpwi3 said it best.

Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/06/2024 11:13

Why do you follow women on Twitter who you dislike so much?

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:13

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 10:58

I think this misses the very significant point that the women most impacted by self id are among the most vulnerable in society. Women prisoners, rape victims, domestic abuse victims, the sick and disabled, orthodox religious.

I find that many people who don't see self id as an issue don't have much experience with these groups or invested the time to understand what it means for them. That seems pretty privileged to me.

b) racist/Islamophobic.

This is an outrageous statement, where on earth are you getting that from. It's also interesting that you haven't considered the impact of self ID on strict muslim women who require single sex spaces for much of their leisure activities.

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oh I definitely have considered that impact

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 23/06/2024 11:12

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:12

So can you share the names of some of these GC women voting Reform? I'm very interested in who they might be?

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Me too.

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:12

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:11

give over. if you are involved in the GC movement then you will know exactly what I am talking about. but even if you aren't familiar, voting Conservative/Reform because of this issue...then yes, either too rich to know/care about issues that women are facing, or don't care about the racism you are voting for

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So can you share the names of some of these GC women voting Reform? I'm very interested in who they might be?

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:11

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:09

Well I've seen many saying they'll vote Labour anyway, including very high profile ones. I've also seen many say they'll vote for independents. I've also seen them say they'll spoil their ballot or stay at home. Many approaches, none of which involve Reform.

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well, that's encouraging...I hope that is the case

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:11

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 23/06/2024 10:59

Caring about women’s rights equals racism and Islamophobia now. I love this place 😂😂😂

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give over. if you are involved in the GC movement then you will know exactly what I am talking about. but even if you aren't familiar, voting Conservative/Reform because of this issue...then yes, either too rich to know/care about issues that women are facing, or don't care about the racism you are voting for

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:09

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:06

I follow many GC women on X, having been involved for 15 years or so. lots commenting that they will be voting Reform, or Conservative

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Well I've seen many saying they'll vote Labour anyway, including very high profile ones. I've also seen many say they'll vote for independents. I've also seen them say they'll spoil their ballot or stay at home. Many approaches, none of which involve Reform.

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:06

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:00

Where are all these GC women who say they are voting Reform? I have seen nothing like this.

I follow many GC women on X, having been involved for 15 years or so. lots commenting that they will be voting Reform, or Conservative

Mycatsmudge · 23/06/2024 11:04

I work in the NHS and there is a lot of trans activists and many are in leadership roles. What’s scary is some aspects of healthcare are only applicable for either biological males or females. If the NHS blurs the lines for this in the name of inclusivity then I fear for the health outcomes for both sexes.

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:00

Where are all these GC women who say they are voting Reform? I have seen nothing like this.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 23/06/2024 10:59

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 10:52

it's a luxury, voting on the self ID as THE priority. People are unable to house and feed themselves and it disproportionately affects women. it's bullshit that feminists should prioritise self ID as the reason to vote. loads voting reform because of it, which will be shit for women. at this point I believe a lot of the GC feminists are a) too rich to care about other issues and/or b) racist/Islamophobic.

Caring about women’s rights equals racism and Islamophobia now. I love this place 😂😂😂

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 10:58

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 10:52

it's a luxury, voting on the self ID as THE priority. People are unable to house and feed themselves and it disproportionately affects women. it's bullshit that feminists should prioritise self ID as the reason to vote. loads voting reform because of it, which will be shit for women. at this point I believe a lot of the GC feminists are a) too rich to care about other issues and/or b) racist/Islamophobic.

I think this misses the very significant point that the women most impacted by self id are among the most vulnerable in society. Women prisoners, rape victims, domestic abuse victims, the sick and disabled, orthodox religious.

I find that many people who don't see self id as an issue don't have much experience with these groups or invested the time to understand what it means for them. That seems pretty privileged to me.

b) racist/Islamophobic.

This is an outrageous statement, where on earth are you getting that from. It's also interesting that you haven't considered the impact of self ID on strict muslim women who require single sex spaces for much of their leisure activities.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/06/2024 10:56

loads voting reform because of it

Are they now.

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 10:52

it's a luxury, voting on the self ID as THE priority. People are unable to house and feed themselves and it disproportionately affects women. it's bullshit that feminists should prioritise self ID as the reason to vote. loads voting reform because of it, which will be shit for women. at this point I believe a lot of the GC feminists are a) too rich to care about other issues and/or b) racist/Islamophobic.

RealFeminist · 23/06/2024 10:47

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 09:52

Meanwhile there are women named Nicola Sturgeon who cloak themselves in fauxminism but underneath are misogynists to their fingertips.

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YE CANNE EVEN SPEL FEMININIMISM

EasternStandard · 23/06/2024 10:46

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 10:41

As soon as that poster said she wasn't GC and found other things more important she was asked about aspects of that choice with the implication that it was wrong.

"Let women speak"? Only if they say the right things by the look of it.

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Well I asked how they felt about men in female sports because I’m interested in if people draw a line anywhere

A question, not a statement, which I’d say is fairly consistent with a forum

And since it’s a question that could get an answer it is letting someone speak, it’s encouraging it actually

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 23/06/2024 10:44

hihelenhi · 23/06/2024 09:11

I don't know how many times we can repeat the same thing.

This isn't about "trans women." It's about WOMEN'S legal rights under the equality act, particularly to boundaries and single sex spaces when we need them. Not to mention being protected and recognised as a group in law. This is being dismantled by those who want "trans women" (males) and their wishes to take priority over women's safety and rights and all the gains made from legislation to protect women's rights in previous decades. It's about women's safety and rights, not to mention issues around the irreversible medicalisation of gender non-conformity which has been happening under the auspices of "gender". That people aren't necessarily mentioning "trans women" does not mean it is not going to matter when all their rights have been taken away without consultation.

Fuck me two threads in (along with all the others) and we're STILL having to point this out.

Along with 'I don't care about women's rights trans people' because I care about public services etc etc etc.

Like we can only care about one issue and not anything else. Most lady brains are able to care about loads at the same time!

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 10:42

Naunet · 23/06/2024 10:41

Speak for yourself you cheeky sod! You don’t get to tell other women what their concerns are.

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And that cuts both ways.

Naunet · 23/06/2024 10:41

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:52

I'm talking about the big important issues that affect most women in their real day to day lives. There are so many concerns, but trans women is not one of them.

Speak for yourself you cheeky sod! You don’t get to tell other women what their concerns are.

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 10:41

EasternStandard · 23/06/2024 09:57

Not sure people can’t ask a question

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As soon as that poster said she wasn't GC and found other things more important she was asked about aspects of that choice with the implication that it was wrong.

"Let women speak"? Only if they say the right things by the look of it.

Whothefuckdoesthat · 23/06/2024 10:38

ActivePeony · 23/06/2024 09:48

"there are people who have opposed this bill that cloak themselves in women's rights to make it acceptable, but just as they're transphobic you'll also find that they're deeply misogynist, often homophobic, possibly some of them racist as well"

I remember this bottom of the barrel bullshit from Sturgeon. Absolutely appalling.

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Well she had to make that claim, didn’t she? Because none of her other statements stood up to any scrutiny whatsoever and could be shown up for the rubbish they were within minutes. So it was all she had left. Accuse them all of multi faceted bigotry.

The very definition of desperation tactics.

Springwatch123 · 23/06/2024 10:33

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 09:46

And you have the right to do that without your choice being questioned.

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It’s called democracy.

CecilyP · 23/06/2024 10:10

ActivePeony · 23/06/2024 09:48

"there are people who have opposed this bill that cloak themselves in women's rights to make it acceptable, but just as they're transphobic you'll also find that they're deeply misogynist, often homophobic, possibly some of them racist as well"

I remember this bottom of the barrel bullshit from Sturgeon. Absolutely appalling.

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I never heard that before. Don’t vote SNP anyway, but that is deeply shocking!

NoWordForFluffy · 23/06/2024 10:08

EasternStandard · 23/06/2024 09:57

Not sure people can’t ask a question

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Surely this is a discussion board. Would be a bit weird if we all plopped and ran!