To think that the majority of trans people are neurodivergent

Thank you.
But perhaps we are guilty though of lumping all trans folks into one block both through medical and social ignorance?

How would that work for twins if only one became trans then?

Teenage boys are capable of having AGP.

Just wait till you're the colleague asking why the menopause policy doesn't include the PC of sex or the word woman. Or why there are no single sex toilets. Not so smiley and kind then. Inclusive you say? Ha ha ha.

That's easy, that person is bi. Sexuality involves sex. Only sex.
Someone who is female, married to a man, and doesn't like dresses is NOT "queer", she is straight.

It's incredibly insulting to your gay elders to use the term for people who are never going to be persecuted for their sexuality and whose minor quirks of dress and name are not going to cause any eyelids to be batted unless they raise a fuss.

You are talking about youngsters here and not the middle aged AGP?

https://ourduty.group/2024/06/11/german-study-desistance-is-common/

Apologies if this has already been posted.

So the sex development of a fetus under normal circumstances is determined by the presence or absence of a Y chromosome. The fetus provides the necessary hormones, not the mother. If sex development is not concordant with sex chromosomes, or sex chromosomes are unusual - the term used is intersex. Intersex conditions can be diagnosed because the unusual chromosomes, anatomy and/or sex hormone profile can be identified via medical diagnostics - not the case for trans identifying people who aren't also intersex (which might make kinda make them not trans, who knows!)

I suppose in theory it could be possible that trans identifying people are some subtle form of intersex in which as an yet unknown and unidentified sex-linked brain-development signal is absent or different. But I think it's fair to say there is no evidence for this as things currently stand, and the whole concept of the sexed brain is controversial / potentially overstated because of misogyny.

This concept certainly isn't something that has been established as fact. If this was possibly true for some trans identifying individuals, "true trans" as it were, I also don't think it would be true for all.

What statistics on trans people being attacked are you referring to? Do you have a link to these statistics?

Have you read the Cass report? In a nutshell: medical professionals at the Tavistock (and other gender clinics), Mermaids, Stonewall, TRAs, the internet (especially websites like Tumblr and Tik Tok), schools and parents are the ones doing the encouraging and persuading.

Which you would know if you'd read the Cass report.

The only know one trans person, my younger cousin.

They haven't been diagnosed with any kind of neurodiversity but there are some signs to suggest there is a strong possibility (struggling with friendships, having sibling diagnosed with ADHD etc).

My good friend has a ND son of primary school age and he's started to say he wants to be a female, has always felt female.

https://www.britannica.com/list/6-cultures-that-recognize-more-than-two-genders

Did a quick search as a reminder... I remembered the Indian reference - Interesting to see the variety of gender identities and expression.

They're either autistic or have been sexually abused.

How about support them instead of butchering their bodies making them life long medical patients.

Not all, no. There are better posts on here about this than from me, but it is true that in some hierarchical, patriarchal, sexist and homophobic societies, men who form some kind of conceptual or physical threat to the men at the top of the hierarchy can be reclassified as 'not men' or even as 'women'. They might be gay and/or competitors for marriage. Occasionally this will apply to women who are not 'owned' by a living man (widows or spinsters) and are therefore recategorised as men. It means that people who otherwise would challenge the oppressive sex norms of a society are neutralised.

I think the interrelationship with those living a religious life is interesting, but that I think is generally different, even if religious institutions are sometimes used as a convenient place for gender nonconformity to be controlled.

Aren't a lot of "3rd gender" countries actually all men pretending to be women as it is illegal to be a homosexual man and has been for centuries?

There are so many cultures around the world that have a third / non binary / other forms of gender expression (India, Latin America) for so many 000 years.

It's not a new movement. The question I'd be asking is why is this occasionally so dominant in the media. Who benefits - and who is telling the story?

"There is nothing more powerful in this world than the radical act of living openly, authentically, and safely" Secretary Deb Haaland

I'm ND female. When I was a child I used to think I had a boy's brain simply because I did not relate to girls. In hindsight I didn't particularly relate to boys either, but in my head my black n white thought process was "if I don't think like a girl it means I must think like a boy". Hence, I'm a girl with a boys brain.

I imagine that is the same kind of thinking a lot of trans children go through, except they think it is their body that doesn't match their brain. Whereas it was the other way around for me (wrong brain for the body). But it's scary to think if I was a child in this day and age I would be "transitioned" rather than helped to understand that I'm just autistic and it's natural to feel different and misaligned when you're autistic.

Queer is not a slur - google search for examples - I identify as queer I'm also not ND.

I disagree tbh

Dc are neurodiverse (ADHD) as are many of their friends. None of them has an issue being open about their diagnosis but are very much against the concept of being trans. They see it as a phase and something few do to be seen as cool. Bit like vaping.

There is nothing different from 50 years ago except the internet. Where once people grew up and thought or felt different things that were just a phase, nowadays with social media and influencers, fuel is added to the fire and girls who prefer to wear jeans and no make up are told they are in the wrong body and should be boys or that they are lesbians and they get on a similar forum to this and it is reinforced to the point they believe it must be true.

Pre-internet, people lived their lives without having so much external pressure.

Nowadays there is pressure to conform to all sorts of types, white teeth, plastic surgery to look a certain way or to belong to certain groups including any one of the many (and confusing) different gender/sexual sections of society. Whereas in the past these things were explored as part of growing up it is now de rigueur and instead of individuals being able to make up their own minds there is virtual bullying into things they are not ready for.

People are getting very upset regarding the different terminology used to describe various sections of society. Language evolves and what a word or phrase meant some years ago now has a totally different meaning. 100 years ago to be gay meant being of a happy disposition, eg "a bachelor gay am I" and if you were feeling queer it just meant you were a bit out of sorts, in fact a dictionary from a hundred or more years ago would probably bear very little relation to how the words are used today.

Instead of getting worked up about semantics it would be better to use the energy to support anyone who needs help to navigate the minefield of modern life and help them to arrive at their destination.

My cousin is trans. I believe she has now started on hormones as last time I saw her she was wearing a bra.

It is obvious that her mother neglected her because she was a boy. She repeatedly said she didn’t know anything about boys so she left him to my Uncle (also an inadequate parent) while she looked after her sisters.

What concerns me is that it has been reported by my uncle that she is not permitted to have psych input as part of the process. She can only have affirming therapy.

You're not unreasonable. It is factually true that they are more likely to be ND.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17794-1

However, it does not follow that it is a form of ND itself.

excellent! Another thing that we can blame women for. Well done ladies your body didn’t respond to manly commands in sperm signals. Look at all the fuss you have caused. If only you just obeyed the men 🙄 I haven’t enough eye rolls for this crap.

The girls I think are vulnerable are those without a strong sense of self, who can’t yet see past regressive gender stereotypes and who know they don’t “fit in”. And - lo and behold - thanks to Stonewell and co this unease somehow now equals “trans”

Definitely have a look at this: https://4w.pub/autism-puberty-gender-dysphoria-view-from-an-autistic-desisted-woman