To think that the majority of trans people are neurodivergent

There is no Asperger’s

My diagnosis specifically mentions it. And it is how I think of myself. My condition bares no resemblance to someone with severe autism.

IMO the majority of trans people aren’t really trans

I find this thread really interesting. I haven't seen any stats around ND and trans but would be interested to know if it's more prevalent in girls?

I'm currently going through the diagnosis process and I'm sure I am autistic. When I was reaching puberty in the 90's I very firmly wanted to be a boy and looking back I think the reason is that socially speaking being autistic is hard, especially if you are female. I saw living as a female so much harder than living as a boy. Socialising as a girl was difficult as girls can be very manipulative, bitchy and changeable, it's a minefield. I would much rather kick a ball around a field with some boys and talk about the latest game or tv show. Girls fashion, hair and makeup also much more complicated than for boys. Even as an adult, when I get invited to a wedding or night out I get a sense of dread and it's usually related to finding an outfit and jeans and tshirt not being acceptable (entirely a social construct). So much easier just to grab a suit and tie. It's why the likes of steve jobs, Elon musk and Zuckerberg (pretty sure all known to be autistic) always wear the same clothes.

Puberty was something else and in my late 30's I can't wait for the menopause so the whole thing can be over.

I'm so thankful trans wasn't a thing in the 90's. I'm 100% sure I would have been trans and probably would have wanted puberty blockers but knowing how strongly I wanted a child when I was older that would have been a huge mistake!

yes such a good point. you hear of Thai lady-boys but not...man-girls??? (see doesnt exist, just made it up!)

There is no Asperger’s

What @WifeOfTiresias said.

Reclaiming a term of abuse can only be done by the group that suffered the abuse and is then a way of taking back control from their abusers.

Another group who didn't have that experience cannot decide to redefine that term of abuse for their own ends and try to force the abused group to ignore their feelings and accept it. That's just bullying.

Deep down at my core there is a part of me that identifies as a Jedi. Sometimes when I'm sitting on the couch and my phone is on the other side of the room I'm instinctually sure that if I reached my hand out and really focussed I could make the force float my phone over to me. Sometimes when I encounter scary men, or read about them in the news, I think I should be able to force blast them. The utter strength of my feelings shouldn't be confined to the limits of my body. It feels absurd when my will is strong that it can't just happen because I think it.

But reality is reality. No matter what I think or feel, I still have to live within reality. My strength of will can never exceed reality. The same is true of our sex, no matter how we feel, we live within reality. People are male or female, it's encoded in every cell of our bodies. We can never change that, we can never be the opposite or something in between and we need to accept that. There is a reason why I never actually extend my hand and try to force float my phone to me, no matter how much I feel it should happen. And it's because I'm a grown ass adult and it would be frankly pathetic if I didn't accept that I do not have the power to move objects with my mind. Thinking and feeling yourself as some sort of other or non gender is absolutely no different from thinking and feeling yourself to be a Jedi. It's not rooted in any sort of reality and expecting anyone else to play along with your strong imagination is narcissism at best blind delusion at worst.

So you're bisexual, attracted to some people of either sex (or possibly you are straight, you aren't telling us), you do you, go ahead and call it pansexual or some other random term but just like you can't say "I'm a P word" because you have some vague connection to the Indian subcontinent, don't go around using the Q word because you have no idea how it was used.

Saying you are non binary is not something we really care about because it means nothing other than "I have a personality". As long as you don't tell girls they will be happier if they cut their breasts off or will commit suicide if nobody calls them "Fae".
But don't use the Q word.

Aspergers isn't diagnosed, it's not been a diagnosis for well over a decade. The diagnosis is ASD, whether high functioning or accompanied with learning difficulties or somewhere in the middle it's still just autism.

It’s a form of it yes. But it is diagnosed as either. Each have different symptoms and characteristics

I think it's sad that a normal homosexual community needs to align themselves with people who are either young and confused, mentally ill or genetically diverse - none of whom have any similarities.

*trans people are generally not welcomed so why would they do it to fit it. "??

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It certainly was a trend like bros or spice girls and it took hold in young people.

Aspergers IS Autism.

Some seem determined that it is. And they can choose not to identify as queer for themselves. However they have no right to dictate or belittle other people's identities.

Not what I said at all, no I'm not a homosexual, I'm attracted to the inside not the outside primarily - gender identity or sex doesn't determine attraction for me. Feel free to find offense in that however you wish, you do you, I do me, etc.

I'm sure you can Google (I'm sure you actually know what it stands for, you just want to try and tie others up in knots - it's not worth my energy, thanks).

And I can't say. I'm not you, I'm not in your head. How you personally feel or don't feel, identify or interpret something, that's up to you, I think you'll agree that anyone trying to tell someone to think or feel a certain way is complex at best? My concern is my own body and life, and those of my children.

Did I say that? I don't recall saying that at all. Neither did I state the opposite. Please don't attempt to suggest I say or mean otherwise to what I have said.

Hey, sorry, was afk a long time. I've spoken about this all before under previous username(s), I've been here years. I don't have the energy right now though. Autism and adhd though.

All of the children I've came across through work who have later transitioned are all neurodiverse.

I actually think it's something pretty important that should be explored, but I know a lot of people are not in favour of that.

Yes but you probably aren't attracted to (eg) fat men or short men either assuming you are androphile. Most of us have quite a narrow band of people who interest us sexually and trans women would not be it.

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I really hate being called ‘the autistics’. I find it really offensive. Please stop doing it and just say autistic people or people with autism. We’re not a fucking music band. It feels dehumanising to be referred to as an ‘autistic’. And it certainly isn’t giving the respect that you’re claiming others should be giving. Do you refer to those with other conditions / disorders in a similar fashion?

. I am not sexually attracted to transwomen at all, even though they are biologically male. It's not obvious to me that this is just some massive coincidence, it seems rather to be a facet of sexuality.

I'm not attracted to transwomen either but it has nothing to do with their desired gender or any facet of my sexuality, it's just that I am attracted to men who are at ease with themselves and comfortable in their own skin.

I agree, I use ASD because disorder in medicine means a condition that affects how the body or brain works - and I don't see that as offensive. Other people take it on face value and don't like it. DS prefers to say he has autism as he doesn't feel it defines him, others prefer to say they are autistic as they feel it is central to them.

I think a big part of the ND/trans teenage girls is the struggle kids with ASD have with change. The changes in a teen girl at puberty are pretty full on, they can get a lot of negative attention and it's easy to understand why they may hate their body and see being a boy as the much easier option IMO. Combine that with the social difficulties and I think it's easy to fall down the rabbit hole of thinking your trans and having a group of other people who relate to that confirming it and encouraging you on.

You would have to ask the trans lobby, as my point is that they have moved away from needing a diagnoses of gender dysphoria and can now just identify as whatever gender that "feel" like.

This seems to be, in part, what self ID was about.